US vetoes ceasefire in Gaza (100)
Youcannow: The enemy of the Jewish population is not hamas but the zionists .
Palestinians & Jews lived side by side for hundreds of years before the Zionist movement took over the land and created the now Israel state .
The old rabbis said this would be a disaster & there will never be peace & they were proved correct .
You really make me laugh.Palestinians & Jews lived side by side for hundreds of years before the Zionist movement took over the land and created the now Israel state .
The old rabbis said this would be a disaster & there will never be peace & they were proved correct .
You ve made my night, hope to see you in my night dreams too
But dont listen to old rabbits plz
Grandsiozzie: I don't trust Palestinians. They lie and play victim. No dicipline or work ethics that I've seen.
Responsibility, was that word taken out of school books and replaced with Jihad?
This zionist argument don't impress me.
There can be good reasons to be a hardliner when your oppoinent is like I describe above.
Still, unlike with the "leadership" of gaza/w.b, them Israelis can be negotiated with.
With other words, Tel Aviv can hold their horses (zionist hardliners)
if the majority there are in position to make a good lasting deal that will create
forward motion. This I'm sure about.
So the lack of will or ability is on the Palestinian side.
Anybody here can tell me why the Palestinians can not ever seem to
step away from the trigger happy rhetoric?
My way of thinking OzzyResponsibility, was that word taken out of school books and replaced with Jihad?
This zionist argument don't impress me.
There can be good reasons to be a hardliner when your oppoinent is like I describe above.
Still, unlike with the "leadership" of gaza/w.b, them Israelis can be negotiated with.
With other words, Tel Aviv can hold their horses (zionist hardliners)
if the majority there are in position to make a good lasting deal that will create
forward motion. This I'm sure about.
So the lack of will or ability is on the Palestinian side.
Anybody here can tell me why the Palestinians can not ever seem to
step away from the trigger happy rhetoric?
let’s say that the governments of Arab countries and the left-wing liberal European public are really concerned about the suffering of the Palestinian people (and not about cutting money on the “humanitarian aspect” and doing as much harm as possible to Israel, as it obviously seems to me for many years),
First of all, the Arab countries and the left-wing liberal public remove Hamas from funding! In general, not a penny in that direction - and no political or military support after the monstrous, beyond all limits, massacre of the civilian population of Israel on October 7, 2023.
All this will be announced on Al-Jazeera and repeated in good Arabic, day after day, until the complete assimilation of this political alphabet in the poor Palestinian people
The return of water and electricity to the Gaza Strip is publicly linked to a ceasefire toward Israeli cities and the release of all Israeli hostages (this will come also from Al-Jazeera and from every newspaper)... I assure you, in a very short time, public opinion will swing towards reason, the hostages will return home, and the Palestinian tap will have water again.
Thanks to the strong joint position of the noble Arab world and the EU and US public, Hamas, finding itself in complete moral and financial isolation, in the foreseeable future ceases to be a symbol of resistance to the “Israeli occupation” and becomes, as it befits it, a symbol of bloody madness, xenophobia and cavemanism. of the past.
Then under the patronage of the League of Arab States and international observation - elections are held in the Palestinian Authority, in which (in the absence of fear of execution), I believe, some more or less sane party wins, which does not set as its goal the destruction of all Jews, but some slightly more realistic task: for example, increasing the level of well-being of one’s own people.
Billions of dollars that previously flowed like a river (from sheikhs and the left-wing liberal public) into the accounts of the murderers from Hamas are beginning to go towards the development of infrastructure, economics and democratic institutions in the Palestinian Authority, to the delight of the poor Palestinian people.
Sala.
Yea, that could be one way to go about it...
But being we both knows this is pretty far fetched
as all the outside vultures don't care a heck of a lot
about the average family member on Gaza-
I think option two is somewhat closer in reach
(however still unlikely that we well be this lucky) :
-That IDF is able to overwhelm the will of Hamas members motivation to continue
their gangster style lucerative business of being Tehrans boot-boys proxy on the strip.
If these young Hamas mebers in their twenties most of them
at the same time could be experiencing pressure at home, around their dinner tables,
from granddad- grandmom- wife and children a plee to give up or even tell them in strong words
to lay down arms and basically give peace a chance... it could work.
Sala, that if this has not happened before next autumn-
no change will happen in our lifetime, I feel.
It's now or never.
Yea, that could be one way to go about it...
But being we both knows this is pretty far fetched
as all the outside vultures don't care a heck of a lot
about the average family member on Gaza-
I think option two is somewhat closer in reach
(however still unlikely that we well be this lucky) :
-That IDF is able to overwhelm the will of Hamas members motivation to continue
their gangster style lucerative business of being Tehrans boot-boys proxy on the strip.
If these young Hamas mebers in their twenties most of them
at the same time could be experiencing pressure at home, around their dinner tables,
from granddad- grandmom- wife and children a plee to give up or even tell them in strong words
to lay down arms and basically give peace a chance... it could work.
Sala, that if this has not happened before next autumn-
no change will happen in our lifetime, I feel.
It's now or never.
Last part was supposed to read:
Sala, if this has not happened before next autumn-
no change will happen in our lifetime, I feel.
Sala, if this has not happened before next autumn-
no change will happen in our lifetime, I feel.
Youcannow: First of all , I don’t hate Jews ..
You ask any Orthodox Jew & you’ll find that the majority are against this war , even to the point of attending Palestinian peace rallies in New York today .
The problem is that the zionists that run Israel are using the name of the Jewish religion to fight this war .
If you’re happy with the killing & suffering of innocent civilians, that’s fine
If you hate me for not wanting innocent civilians to suffer then that’s fine too .
I’ve experienced war . My land was taken by Turkey & I know who the real victims are .
Noway, I dont hate you at all. you have your opinion..your choice.. I even almost love you and am grateful to you for bringing me back to life after the events of October 7 that happened to my loved ones. I am a fighter by nature, but for a while I was lost due to shock. you helped me get myself back You ask any Orthodox Jew & you’ll find that the majority are against this war , even to the point of attending Palestinian peace rallies in New York today .
The problem is that the zionists that run Israel are using the name of the Jewish religion to fight this war .
If you’re happy with the killing & suffering of innocent civilians, that’s fine
If you hate me for not wanting innocent civilians to suffer then that’s fine too .
I’ve experienced war . My land was taken by Turkey & I know who the real victims are .
Grandsiozzie: Maybe so, and that fit what I just suggested;
if not now then not in our lifetime.
- either the momentum Israel has now leads to a new leadership (Hamas quelled)
and things might start looking brighter pretty soon
- or it will go as you predict and 5 years from now everything is more or less still f'd up.
I'm hoping for a radical change now, but hey... I'm an optimist!
right! lets hope for good changes if not now then not in our lifetime.
- either the momentum Israel has now leads to a new leadership (Hamas quelled)
and things might start looking brighter pretty soon
- or it will go as you predict and 5 years from now everything is more or less still f'd up.
I'm hoping for a radical change now, but hey... I'm an optimist!
salamuna: right! lets hope for good changes
Good luck 
Bottom line is greed and entitlement. Instead of being grateful to have a country that was ripped out of someone elses, the Jews want more. They will not be happy until they toss the Palestinians into the sea so they can take their lands. Israel has literally confiscated homes in the West Bank. Mine now..leave!
Hamas is a gang that has taken over Palestine. The people are stuck between the greed of Israel and the greed of Hamas.
There is no way they will give up fighting. Hamas doesnt care if they kill their own or others as long as they can rule.
The US is run by Jews in powerful places so our government kisses up to Israel. Is a ceasefire going to accomplish anything? Doubt it. I see where aid to the people is stolen at gun point by Hamas. No matter what, the citizens are up the creek without a paddle.
Hamas is a gang that has taken over Palestine. The people are stuck between the greed of Israel and the greed of Hamas.
There is no way they will give up fighting. Hamas doesnt care if they kill their own or others as long as they can rule.
The US is run by Jews in powerful places so our government kisses up to Israel. Is a ceasefire going to accomplish anything? Doubt it. I see where aid to the people is stolen at gun point by Hamas. No matter what, the citizens are up the creek without a paddle.
Grandsiozzie: Totally agree and that is why Israel can not let off the gas pedal here.
We are many who feel this sutuation needs an outcome that changes the old locked political dynamic, the one the palestinains never seem to really wanna fix, as too may in the Arab world (Iran especially)
don't want no real peace solution. Meaning the palestinans needs to be forced to change out their blood thristy leadership, this time.
So you think what the United States is doing by arming & giving Israel a feee hand to kill as many Palestinians as possible is better than what Iran has done ..We are many who feel this sutuation needs an outcome that changes the old locked political dynamic, the one the palestinains never seem to really wanna fix, as too may in the Arab world (Iran especially)
don't want no real peace solution. Meaning the palestinans needs to be forced to change out their blood thristy leadership, this time.
"In our millions and billions, we are all Palestinians."
The whole world is watching.
The whole world is watching.
Youcannow: I agree , some of those images were horrendous, but let’s not forget that Israel are doing much worse .
Starving families, taking away all their dignity as human beings, making them live like cattle , not to mention killing nearly 20, 000 Palestinians indiscriminately .
90% of homes either destroyed or unliveable.
Whole family’s wiped out .
There was an incident yesterday where a family were killed in a residential accommodation consisting of women children & babies . Murdered in cold blood by IDF soldiers .
You may not see these images on western media but I can assure you that they are happening.
Young girls with amputations who’ve lost limbs, who’s parents were killed with the indiscriminate bombings by the IDF begging to die .
No child should see the images , or go through what these poor children have seen .
and as always, "my love", this is empty aggressive anti-Semitic demagogic rhetoric..Starving families, taking away all their dignity as human beings, making them live like cattle , not to mention killing nearly 20, 000 Palestinians indiscriminately .
90% of homes either destroyed or unliveable.
Whole family’s wiped out .
There was an incident yesterday where a family were killed in a residential accommodation consisting of women children & babies . Murdered in cold blood by IDF soldiers .
You may not see these images on western media but I can assure you that they are happening.
Young girls with amputations who’ve lost limbs, who’s parents were killed with the indiscriminate bombings by the IDF begging to die .
No child should see the images , or go through what these poor children have seen .
Bluefish22: Indiscriminately bombing civilians homes, schools, hospitals after telling Gaza residents to evacuate to the South, and then bombing the South also. Why do think US doesnt want a ceasefire? Is it because they are selling weapons to Israel? Does money really matter more than innocent people?
Once all the Palestinians of Gaza are killed, from bombing, ensuing starvation or illness from having no shelter, heating, food or water....is it genocide then? Do we wait for that?
It is a genocide.Once all the Palestinians of Gaza are killed, from bombing, ensuing starvation or illness from having no shelter, heating, food or water....is it genocide then? Do we wait for that?
No excuse for it.
When a body fights a virus, you don't kill the body, you help it fight the virus.
Izrael is killing Palestine because of Hamas.
Or at least that's the excuse.
History repeats.
And it won't end well.
Let me tell you what’s it’s like being on the receiving end of ethic cleansing.
Being invaded by a superpower & having your land take over.
Why , because we wanted our independence from an occupier.
Yes we paid heavily, with thousands of people killed & loosing half the island , but with the half country we still have, we’ve become one of the most prosperous countries in Europe.
Why , because we have our freedom to govern.
Being invaded by a superpower & having your land take over.
Why , because we wanted our independence from an occupier.
Yes we paid heavily, with thousands of people killed & loosing half the island , but with the half country we still have, we’ve become one of the most prosperous countries in Europe.
Why , because we have our freedom to govern.
Come on folks the debate is a lil bit degenerating , it seems like stadium cheering on various sports clubs.
Well regarding the IDF modus operandi, it is guided by the best military intelligence, they are very attentive to the public opinion, unfortunately, to eliminate the terrorists, without suffering great losses they must act on that way, it can be deduced that the Palestinians are also victims of the terrorists, I wonder who is hiding himself behind all those wrapped bearded men, perhaps the last Tsar has found an expedient to get out of an equally dramatic war?
Well regarding the IDF modus operandi, it is guided by the best military intelligence, they are very attentive to the public opinion, unfortunately, to eliminate the terrorists, without suffering great losses they must act on that way, it can be deduced that the Palestinians are also victims of the terrorists, I wonder who is hiding himself behind all those wrapped bearded men, perhaps the last Tsar has found an expedient to get out of an equally dramatic war?
Ildebrando: To the op..
If you were forced to decide between ..living in Iran or Israel ,which place would you choose?
be honest..
What a stupid question to ask .If you were forced to decide between ..living in Iran or Israel ,which place would you choose?
be honest..
Ildebrando: Come on folks the debate is a lil bit degenerating , it seems like stadium cheering on various sports clubs.
Well regarding the IDF modus operandi, it is guided by the best military intelligence, they are very attentive to the public opinion, unfortunately, to eliminate the terrorists, without suffering great losses they must act on that way, it can be deduced that the Palestinians are also victims of the terrorists, I wonder who is hiding himself behind all those wrapped bearded men, perhaps the last Tsar has found an expedient to get out of an equally dramatic war?
I disagree . Well regarding the IDF modus operandi, it is guided by the best military intelligence, they are very attentive to the public opinion, unfortunately, to eliminate the terrorists, without suffering great losses they must act on that way, it can be deduced that the Palestinians are also victims of the terrorists, I wonder who is hiding himself behind all those wrapped bearded men, perhaps the last Tsar has found an expedient to get out of an equally dramatic war?
Indiscriminate bombing is a war crime & even your closest ally, Biden , is raising concerns.
As for the IDF spokesperson/ persons , it is laughable the bias propaganda they spew out when confronted.
The fact that many British media reporters have ask & refused access to the war zone is an indication of how bad things are in the “operation theatre’.
Youcannow: I disagree .
Indiscriminate bombing is a war crime & even your closest ally, Biden , is raising concerns.
As for the IDF spokesperson/ persons , it is laughable the bias propaganda they spew out when confronted.
The fact that many British media reporters have ask & refused access to the war zone is an indication of how bad things are in the “operation theatre’.
and how do you know the Bombing is indiscriminate?Indiscriminate bombing is a war crime & even your closest ally, Biden , is raising concerns.
As for the IDF spokesperson/ persons , it is laughable the bias propaganda they spew out when confronted.
The fact that many British media reporters have ask & refused access to the war zone is an indication of how bad things are in the “operation theatre’.
Because Pallywood told you so?
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Responsibility, was that word taken out of school books and replaced with Jihad?
This zionist argument don't impress me.
There can be good reasons to be a hardliner when your oppoinent is like I describe above.
Still, unlike with the "leadership" of gaza/w.b, them Israelis can be negotiated with.
With other words, Tel Aviv can hold their horses (zionist hardliners)
if the majority there are in position to make a good lasting deal that will create
forward motion. This I'm sure about.
So the lack of will or ability is on the Palestinian side.
Anybody here can tell me why the Palestinians can not ever seem to
step away from the trigger happy rhetoric?
Look at the government & spokespeople you hear being interviewed. They all have American & British accents.