Karma - The Web of Maya (72)
I think it just basicly boils down to cause and effect....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: I think it just basicly boils down to cause and effect....
In a basic, classical sense, yes.
But time, at the quantum level, is not linear. Effect can precede cause. Say we don't like someone, but for the life of us, we can't figure out why, until some time in the FUTURE they betray us somehow. Karmically, the betrayal has already happened, and our distaste for them is the cart before the horse.
Grokking karma, the why of why we are who we are, is alot more complicated than saying the chicken came before the egg. At the fundamental level of reality, chicken is egg is chicken is egg.
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Karma's concept is a little more complicated than the western view that you presented. More depth is on the way in a few minutes....
Soul searching and coming to terms with yourself and the world should never be overlooked as far as changing your present well being in the pursuit of happiness and escaping this horrendous astral plane of existence.
I have a lot more to add to this discussion....and it is not our bodies that suffer the effects, our minds and spirit/soul do. The world is a domesticated mental institute.
Your solution has a good premise, but you need more bite in the crystal clear.
I have to call a lady right now, but will be back to compliment this discussion...
Soul searching and coming to terms with yourself and the world should never be overlooked as far as changing your present well being in the pursuit of happiness and escaping this horrendous astral plane of existence.
I have a lot more to add to this discussion....and it is not our bodies that suffer the effects, our minds and spirit/soul do. The world is a domesticated mental institute.
Your solution has a good premise, but you need more bite in the crystal clear.
I have to call a lady right now, but will be back to compliment this discussion...
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What comes around, goes around. Karma. Here's my mind-set regarding this thing called "Karma" - do good things, and hope for good things to happen. Or... do good things with no thoughts or expectations of a return. Treat others as you, yourself, would want to be treated. Maybe I am a weirdo - wait, scratch the "maybe" - but I certainly do not keep doing the same thing over and over again, all the while trying to achieve a different or better result. I try to learn from the mistakes I've made, see if there can possibly be a remedy -a change for the better, improvement, etc.
I really have a billion other things I could say/post to this particular topic. I'll not, though.
Nice thread. I like it.
I really have a billion other things I could say/post to this particular topic. I'll not, though.
Nice thread. I like it.
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Galactic_bodhi:
But time, at the quantum level, is not linear.
Time? Karma and time do not go in the same sentence considering the cylcic nature of it. Time really does not exist....more on that later...I really need to make this phone call.
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StressFree: Time? Karma and time do not go in the same sentence considering the cyclic nature of it. Time really does not exist....more on that later...I really need to make this phone call.
fixed for clarity
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Galactic , you have said so much in a single post !! 
I do agree on the and would like to add .....
I think Karma is the cause and effect of our deeds and suffering. As is believed by many , we suffer the consequences of our past karma. But it also holds true that our actions ( karma ) in the present times in the situations that come before us are much under the jurisdiction of our mind , feelings and free will. Hence, we can opt for the better and improvise on the Karma and hence the future outcomes of the action.
So, I think Karma is not just in the past but in the present too and as we are thrown into the world of Maya from birth ... it takes a lot of good karma to see thro' and beyond and hence the interest to change a behavior to get a different result .
I do agree on the and would like to add .....
I think Karma is the cause and effect of our deeds and suffering. As is believed by many , we suffer the consequences of our past karma. But it also holds true that our actions ( karma ) in the present times in the situations that come before us are much under the jurisdiction of our mind , feelings and free will. Hence, we can opt for the better and improvise on the Karma and hence the future outcomes of the action.
So, I think Karma is not just in the past but in the present too and as we are thrown into the world of Maya from birth ... it takes a lot of good karma to see thro' and beyond and hence the interest to change a behavior to get a different result .
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RedHeadedTaurus: but I certainly do not keep doing the same thing over and over again, all the while trying to achieve a different or better result.
Wait. That came out wrong - it depends on what it IS that I'm specifically doing. I suppose a better way to put it is: I don't keep kicking a dead horse (so to speak) over & over, expecting it to get back up again...
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riyablossom: Galactic , you have said so much in a single post !!
I do agree on the and would like to add .....
I think Karma is the cause and effect of our deeds and suffering. As is believed by many , we suffer the consequences of our past karma. But it also holds true that our actions ( karma ) in the present times in the situations that come before us are much under the jurisdiction of our mind , feelings and free will. Hence, we can opt for the better and improvise on the Karma and hence the future outcomes of the action.
So, I think Karma is not just in the past but in the present too and as we are thrown into the world of Maya from birth ... it takes a lot of good karma to see thro' and beyond and hence the interest to change a behavior to get a different result .
I do agree on the and would like to add .....
I think Karma is the cause and effect of our deeds and suffering. As is believed by many , we suffer the consequences of our past karma. But it also holds true that our actions ( karma ) in the present times in the situations that come before us are much under the jurisdiction of our mind , feelings and free will. Hence, we can opt for the better and improvise on the Karma and hence the future outcomes of the action.
So, I think Karma is not just in the past but in the present too and as we are thrown into the world of Maya from birth ... it takes a lot of good karma to see thro' and beyond and hence the interest to change a behavior to get a different result .
Very well said. And I do agree, Riya, for the most part.
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Galactic_bodhi: Many of us believe in the law of Karma. But do we even really know what it is?
What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?
Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.
So, how to break Karma?
By doing something different...
We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.
With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.
Thank you for your interest.
What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?
Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.
So, how to break Karma?
By doing something different...
We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.
With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.
Thank you for your interest.
Hi Galo.......
Interesting post but very true.......
Become unstuck......change and do something different.....
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If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got ..... If you want something different .... do something different! 
Looks easy ... But to to this, you may have to question your beliefs, Where do they come from? Are they redundant now?
Fascinating subject. But for me, Karma transcends this.
It is more of a " reap what you sow " scenario.
Nice thread
Looks easy ... But to to this, you may have to question your beliefs, Where do they come from? Are they redundant now?
Fascinating subject. But for me, Karma transcends this.
It is more of a " reap what you sow " scenario.
Nice thread
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RedHeadedTaurus: Very well said. And I do agree, Riya, for the most part.
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Hypno_cat: "So, how to break Karma?" From your first post.
I think you have answered your question
I think you have answered your question
I never had a question, I had an answer.
Seeking the right question is often more enlightening than any answer will ever be.
When we gamble with our hearts, all we have to lose is love. That is a sad, sad, state of Karma.
The Treasures we carry in our hearts are all that is real. I know these things have value within me. But how to convince another? The answer is, they're so busy trying to convince themselves of their own worth, my treasures mean naught.
At least to them.
My guitar still loves me, though. That's something at least.
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Well, breaking the cycle of Karma involves seeing things as they really are, doesn't it? Recognising the way that our own attachments, repulsions and delusions tie us into repetitive patterns? Recognising that everything (including us) is temporary.
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Galactic_bodhi: In a basic, classical sense, yes.
But time, at the quantum level, is not linear. Effect can precede cause. Say we don't like someone, but for the life of us, we can't figure out why, until some time in the FUTURE they betray us somehow. Karmically, the betrayal has already happened, and our distaste for them is the cart before the horse.
Grokking karma, the why of why we are who we are, is alot more complicated than saying the chicken came before the egg. At the fundamental level of reality, chicken is egg is chicken is egg.
But time, at the quantum level, is not linear. Effect can precede cause. Say we don't like someone, but for the life of us, we can't figure out why, until some time in the FUTURE they betray us somehow. Karmically, the betrayal has already happened, and our distaste for them is the cart before the horse.
Grokking karma, the why of why we are who we are, is alot more complicated than saying the chicken came before the egg. At the fundamental level of reality, chicken is egg is chicken is egg.
Yes I agree...it can transcend time...there is no time frame for the effect to kick in.....
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Galactic_bodhi: Many of us believe in the law of Karma. But do we even really know what it is?
What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?
Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.
So, how to break Karma?
By doing something different...
We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.
With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.
Thank you for your interest.
What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?
Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.
So, how to break Karma?
By doing something different...
We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.
With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.
Thank you for your interest.
well, my take on this is that 'if you always do what you always did, then you'll always get what you always got'
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If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got .....
It might just be me, but this statement is a bit generalised and limited, in that it doesn't take into consideration circumstance and other people's contribution to any given situation or it's outcome.
I have never considered time linear, except to agree in a generalised way about what people appear to believe en mass.
I do have theories about energy though, and being receptive at certain times to absorbing certain frequencies that may lead us to repeat certain outcomes, although there would, even then, be shades of difference.
It might just be me, but this statement is a bit generalised and limited, in that it doesn't take into consideration circumstance and other people's contribution to any given situation or it's outcome.
I have never considered time linear, except to agree in a generalised way about what people appear to believe en mass.
I do have theories about energy though, and being receptive at certain times to absorbing certain frequencies that may lead us to repeat certain outcomes, although there would, even then, be shades of difference.
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gingerb: If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got .....
It might just be me, but this statement is a bit generalised and limited, in that it doesn't take into consideration circumstance and other people's contribution to any given situation or it's outcome.
I have never considered time linear, except to agree in a generalised way about what people appear to believe en mass.
I do have theories about energy though, and being receptive at certain times to absorbing certain frequencies that may lead us to repeat certain outcomes, although there would, even then, be shades of difference.
It might just be me, but this statement is a bit generalised and limited, in that it doesn't take into consideration circumstance and other people's contribution to any given situation or it's outcome.
I have never considered time linear, except to agree in a generalised way about what people appear to believe en mass.
I do have theories about energy though, and being receptive at certain times to absorbing certain frequencies that may lead us to repeat certain outcomes, although there would, even then, be shades of difference.
It isnt meant to be be anything other than a statement from a 'personal viewpoint' - other people look after their own 'personal viewpoints' accordingly.
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trish123: It isnt meant to be be anything other than a statement from a 'personal viewpoint' - other people look after their own 'personal viewpoints' accordingly.
Words are so limiting. I was talking about the statement and not people.
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What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?
Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.
So, how to break Karma?
By doing something different...
We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.
With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.
Thank you for your interest.