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Apr 23, 2008 3:35 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
If you always do what you always did.... You will always get what you've always got .....

To clarify: If you always got angry every time someone disagreed with you then you would always be annoyed, but if one day you disagreed with someone and they said "that's right" or "I like that idea", then the outcome would be different, in that you might be happy or have some positive feeling.

So it wouldn't always follow that the same behaviour or pattern yields the same results.
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Apr 23, 2008 3:40 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
this post reminded me of the song by Melanie, Tracy - have posted it for you teddybear
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Apr 23, 2008 3:56 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
bajanblue
bajanbluebajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados344 Threads 1 Polls 3,724 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Many of us believe in the law of Karma. But do we even really know what it is?

What comes around goes around...but what does that really mean?

Albert Einstein once said that insanity was "Doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."

So in effect, we, who suffer Karma, or endless cycles of similiar problems and challenges, are insane, in spirit and in mind, and thus, via dependent origination, our bodies often suffer the effects of Karma as well, because we keep trying to solve the problems the same way.

So, how to break Karma?

By doing something different...

We get into habits of treating people a certain way, and we wonder why our friendships, and other personal relationships, suffer from almost mirror-image break-downs. It's because we don't want to change, but we expect the world to. The world follows the same patterns in reaction to our actions. Karma, with this in mind, only makes sense. If you plug 2 + 2 into a calculator, invariably you will get 4. No amount of wishing or ritual or soul-searching will change this. Use a different formula, get a different result. Its that simple.

With these thoughts in mind, I now open the floor to general discussion of the topic.

Thank you for your interest.


Interesting thread Tracewave

That's why I like time loops in movies. Observing and learning (one hopes) from our actions, interactions and their consequences.
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Apr 23, 2008 4:24 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Karma is a very complicated concept to define in one post. I can space it out, but I will start with it's main concept in a cosmic and spiritual sense. Karma is the same concept that the Judeo-Christian-Islam school of thought for sinning or doing good deeds. You do good, you are blessed and good things happen to you. You commit bad deeds and sin, you are punished. That simple.

Before I go on, let me just clarify that your Karma can be measured scientifically, just not yet. Quantum physics is still working on measuring our energy inside our bodies, and that energy is vibrating at a certain frequency. They are barely in the infancy stage. But they will soon find out how are energy transits to other existences dictated by a karmic energy. It's like a satellite, the satellite can only tune into the frequencies that it is programmed to according to what information it contains and what channels it can attract.So depending on your karma today and when you die, that Karma is attracted to similar vibrational frequencies. So what your energy and karma projects, simply attracts to your corresponding karmic vibrational frequencies.

Personally, I feel the main reason we are here is to manipulate and use the energy that we create with our illusory thoughts. To manifest our reality so that we are happy and harmonic in the name of love. This is what speeds up our vibration and enables us to escape the viscious cycle here in this astral plane or others with a similar vibrations that is not the Source (Nirvana or Heaven) dependiing on which religous branch you choose, but it's the same only defined differently.

According to mainstream Hindu religious thought, the individual soul is trapped in the suffering involved with life in this world, and because of reincarnation, even death does not release one from this world. In most of the religious traditions of southern Asia, release or liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth is the ultimate goal of the spiritual life. But how? It is to master your thoughts by using many tools to manipulate your energy and create a karma that will speed up your vibration. The teachings preached in all the religions, psychologies(analytical) or self help-new age books are tools to help you understand yourself, others, the world so you can love yourself, others and find happiness. In essence, giving you the power to not take anything personal which would give you a very negative energy....and negative energy is what builds bad thoughts and actions.....bad karma.

The objective with Karma is to reach a level of vibration that would be far beyond the fifth dimension. To work out all karma that would need to be worked through. So when you get to that level of vibration there is no karma.

We don't die, just transit, and we may decide to come back into physical form because the earthly experience is very vibrant and unique. However, getting caught up in karma usually happens again, so therefore, one may be stuck in the painful cycle of trying to work out karma here in this vibrational plane.
The majority of people on Earth, when they die and leave the body, are working out problems in karma, so they have to keep going back and forth. There are exceptions....different entities containing different energies on a different vibrational level, yet they are still able to tune into our astral plane of existence.

see next post
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Apr 23, 2008 4:39 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: In a basic, classical sense, yes.

But time, at the quantum level, is not linear. Effect can precede cause. Say we don't like someone, but for the life of us, we can't figure out why, until some time in the FUTURE they betray us somehow. Karmically, the betrayal has already happened, and our distaste for them is the cart before the horse.

Grokking karma, the why of why we are who we are, is alot more complicated than saying the chicken came before the egg. At the fundamental level of reality, chicken is egg is chicken is egg.


The entire structure of time is very intricate on many levels. I like to define it as to my liking as a series of reference points that are intersecting with each other along a huge web of pure reality. One thing that gives me hope, is that the way it is structured means anything can happen. Because of all the possible combinations that are present. It is not predestined, it is not set to where it has to be.

This is the reason why magic (manipulation of energy) works. Because if you want something to happen, and you meditate on it and project mental energy towards this happening, it will cause your life to be directed into that time stream or reality as you perceive in in your mind. Perception is everything...all dictated by your karmic energy and your personal journey as well as our collective journey.

I have talked about this on some levels in other threads, so I hope some of you follow.
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Apr 23, 2008 4:41 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
patrickthomas
patrickthomaspatrickthomasMullingar, Westmeath Ireland33 Threads 4 Polls 1,911 Posts
sxc666: Co*k in hand?


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Apr 23, 2008 4:43 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
breezee
breezeebreezeeathens, Attica Greece20 Threads 1,136 Posts
StressFree: When we have completed all the journeys and adventures through all our many variety of lives we are supposed to return to the Source with our accumulation of knowledge. Knowledge and info seem to be the main purpose of the human species, and thus nothing can be right or wrong.
I don't understand the point of this.
What would the source want with our knowledge??
I thought the source was omniscient.
And I also thought most of our understanding was illusory.

Also, I thought the point of our existence was to learn to think less and to feel more.
I thought information/worldly knowledge assisted maya and only served to keep us far from the source.

My understanding is very very patchy on this kind of thing, StressFree.....
Please enlighten angel
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Apr 23, 2008 4:48 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
Tumpa
TumpaTumpaottawa, Ontario Canada88 Threads 7,091 Posts
StressFree: Time? Karma and time do not go in the same sentence considering the cylcic nature of it. Time really does not exist....more on that later...I really need to make this phone call.


Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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Apr 23, 2008 4:53 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
breezee
breezeebreezeeathens, Attica Greece20 Threads 1,136 Posts
Tumpa: Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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Apr 23, 2008 4:54 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
Tumpa: Stay away from the Matrix movies man......
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Apr 23, 2008 5:11 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
breezee: I don't understand the point of this.
What would the source want with our knowledge??
I thought the source was omniscient.
And I also thought most of our understanding was illusory.


Nothing. The source wants nothing with our knowledge, but we can only go back to the source with our evolved levels of wisdom and knowledge.

The source is omniscient. It is the sea, and we are waterdrops separated from the sea.

Our understanding is illusory, as well as our thoughts. The only thing that is real is our energy. The visible world arises from an omnipresent and unchangeable divine "source" an immaterial reality. Not solid!
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Apr 23, 2008 5:24 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
breezee: Just one more thing, if that's okay.....

I understood that ''wanting'' was just one more thing that kept us from the source.
I didn't think we could go back to the source until we were finished with our karma.
Also, if I were the source (which I'm not, of course) I don't think I'd want anyone ''manipulating any energies'' around me....
''Wanting'', imo, is very connected to the ego.
''Wanting'', imo, is what has created ''this earthly cycle of cruel existence''.

Oh, and for the record, are we calling each other ''sweety'' now?


Wanting happiness. Wanting to be free of hate. Wanting our true desire...unconditional love and happiness.

Nobody is manipulating your energy, you manipulate how you think, so you feel better about yourself in the present. Thus enabling you to create the future you want.

Freud claims that we are all egoists at the core. Wanting the wrong things only fuels that with our selfish desires. Wanting what is real in an unselfish way has nothing to do with our ego. Just our well being. All the religions preach this in their own way.

Yes, wanting the wrong things has created an astral plane of cruel existence in this point in the universe....planet earth as you percieve it. It is a constant, this astral plane, it will always be here. There are other planes of existence that we can go to depending on our karma. It is like a testing ground here on earth.


Keep em coming sweety...lips
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Apr 23, 2008 5:29 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
breezee
breezeebreezeeathens, Attica Greece20 Threads 1,136 Posts
StressFree: Wanting happiness. Wanting to be free of hate. Wanting our true desire...unconditional love and happiness.

Nobody is manipulating your energy, you manipulate how you think, so you feel better about yourself in the present. Thus enabling you to create the future you want.

Freud claims that we are all egoists at the core. Wanting the wrong things only fuels that with our selfish desires. Wanting what is real in an unselfish way has nothing to do with our ego. Just our well being. All the religions preach this in their own way.

Yes, wanting the wrong things has created an astral plane of cruel existence in this point in the universe....planet earth as you percieve it. It is a constant, this astral plane, it will always be here. There are other planes of existence that we can go to depending on our karma. It is like a testing ground here on earth.Keep em coming sweety...
2 questions:
1. Did you have to pay at Berkeley?
2. Are you wearing lipstick?
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Apr 23, 2008 5:32 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
breezee: 2 questions:
1. Did you have to pay at Berkeley?
2. Are you wearing lipstick?


yes and nohmmm
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Apr 23, 2008 5:36 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
It is a constant, this astral plane, it will always be here. There are other planes of existence that we can go to depending on our karma

I just wondered if you meant that we have to die in this life to reach these other planes?
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Apr 23, 2008 5:36 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
breezee
breezeebreezeeathens, Attica Greece20 Threads 1,136 Posts
StressFree: yes and no
"oh, dear" and "so who kissed the screen?"

Don't mind me StressFree.... it's late here....
Think I'll go beddy-byes now.... and you may as well give your hand a rest yawn
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Apr 23, 2008 5:42 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
gingerb: It is a constant, this astral plane, it will always be here. There are other planes of existence that we can go to depending on our karma

I just wondered if you meant that we have to die in this life to reach these other planes?


Physically yes, but to reach the other planes, depends on our vibration. We never really die as energy beings, just transfer. Energy as matter, does not die, just transfers it's energy elsewhere. Think of an ice cube. When you take the ice cube out of the freezer, it's energy vibrational level speeds up, melts form it's slow vibrational form as solid and transfers into the air. And air is energy. So it does not die, but transfers. Hope that made sense gingerb.

btw, where in the hell is the guy who started this thread? I need more action.
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Apr 23, 2008 5:46 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
lusciousmile
lusciousmilelusciousmileThere, Aland Islands Finland25 Threads 2 Polls 11,989 Posts
StressFree: Physically yes, but to reach the other planes, depends on our vibration. We never really die as energy beings, just transfer. Energy as matter, does not die, just transfers it's energy elsewhere. Think of an ice cube. When you take the ice cube out of the freezer, it's energy vibrational level speeds up, melts form it's slow vibrational form as solid and transfers into the air. And air is energy. So it does not die, but transfers. Hope that made sense gingerb.

btw, where in the hell is the guy who started this thread? I need more action.


I never liked physics, but i'm beginning to gradually, allow myself, to see your point.

laugh
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Apr 23, 2008 5:47 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
gingerb
gingerbgingerbLetterkenny, Donegal Ireland7 Threads 1 Polls 4,139 Posts
StressFree: Physically yes, but to reach the other planes, depends on our vibration. We never really die as energy beings, just transfer. Energy as matter, does not die, just transfers it's energy elsewhere. Think of an ice cube. When you take the ice cube out of the freezer, it's energy vibrational level speeds up, melts form it's slow vibrational form as solid and transfers into the air. And air is energy. So it does not die, but transfers. Hope that made sense gingerb.

btw, where in the hell is the guy who started this thread? I need more action.


He was here earlier. It makes sense in so far as you explained it , yes. Now another question.... what about people who say they go into another realm and find bliss during meditation, or people who experience ecstasy and "see" things other worldly? They are not dead. What about the unexplainable that happens right here?
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Apr 23, 2008 5:47 PM CST Karma - The Web of Maya
Tumpa
TumpaTumpaottawa, Ontario Canada88 Threads 7,091 Posts
breezee: Stay stress free, StressFree
I can't remember who, but someone on this thread said time did not exist.... so nothing lost


Therefore, nothing lost, nothing gained.

Which brings us back to the original question and age- old debate, chicken or egg.

Egg me on, for I so hate being called chicken!! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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