rationing rice in America (121)
shipoker55: you bring up a good issue about food supply. Living here in Florida, I see oranges, grapefruit and tangerines laying all over the ground, wasting. But then I go to the supermarkets and see oranges from California,. grapefruit from Costa Rica and tangerines from Gualamala.
a little off topic but following the trend...we have a farmer here who last year practically gave away thousands of pounds of tomatoes because local supermarkets were selling pale pink cardboard flavoured imported tomatoes. This year he switched to onions to be left with 250 sacks of onions he could not find a formal outlet for. (This man clearly has fertile land). I'm planning a program around the subject.
I can empathise with your frustration over wholesale war vs rationed rice; and where the heck are governmental priorities (an over simplification i know, but hope I caught the drift?). We are seeing the seeds of the same illogic in agriculture here. Not quite the same, but echoes,
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Ok, first let me say no i didnt read all of the posts on this thread because i didnt want to read anyone arguing for that long!! Second let me say I dont want to argue with anyone on here!!
So here goes, it was said to me that the rice rations were from big suppliers who were putting a 4 bag limit, bags being 20 or 40 lbs I cant remember... But that it was put on them so that people cant go buying tons of rice and trying to jack the price of it up and sell it for profit. I dont think that on a personal what your family can eat level there are any rations whatso ever... I think this is just to do with trying to keep people from buying the rice and selling it at outragious prices to those who really need it.... And before I get asked, this info is from my father who happens to be one of the smartest people I know. He is very political and very up to date with all current events at all times. I hadnt heard anything about this until Ship pointed it out in this thread... and before I posted a comment about it I wanted to wait and ask my dad about it because he can always explain things so that I can understand them.
So basically I dont think that any one person has to worry about the normal consumable rations of rice that they purchase, its just the people who are thinking of buying rice and selling it for profit who will be stopped by this ration. I myself dont see anything wrong with that. We have pleanty to feed Americans and then some, its merely a means to try and controll the price from getting even higher for those who really cant afford for it to get any higher than it already is.
But again these are my opinions, I have done no research on the matter other than speaking to my dad, who did do research on it... Hope this helps to clear up some issues and some arguing that was done previously on here. We can all get along I am sure, and I truely hope that nobody got too mad on this thread or any other because thats not what any of us are here for!!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful morning, day, night!!
And please dont call the spelling/grammer police on me!!!
So here goes, it was said to me that the rice rations were from big suppliers who were putting a 4 bag limit, bags being 20 or 40 lbs I cant remember... But that it was put on them so that people cant go buying tons of rice and trying to jack the price of it up and sell it for profit. I dont think that on a personal what your family can eat level there are any rations whatso ever... I think this is just to do with trying to keep people from buying the rice and selling it at outragious prices to those who really need it.... And before I get asked, this info is from my father who happens to be one of the smartest people I know. He is very political and very up to date with all current events at all times. I hadnt heard anything about this until Ship pointed it out in this thread... and before I posted a comment about it I wanted to wait and ask my dad about it because he can always explain things so that I can understand them.
So basically I dont think that any one person has to worry about the normal consumable rations of rice that they purchase, its just the people who are thinking of buying rice and selling it for profit who will be stopped by this ration. I myself dont see anything wrong with that. We have pleanty to feed Americans and then some, its merely a means to try and controll the price from getting even higher for those who really cant afford for it to get any higher than it already is.
But again these are my opinions, I have done no research on the matter other than speaking to my dad, who did do research on it... Hope this helps to clear up some issues and some arguing that was done previously on here. We can all get along I am sure, and I truely hope that nobody got too mad on this thread or any other because thats not what any of us are here for!!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful morning, day, night!!
And please dont call the spelling/grammer police on me!!!
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casie1600: Ok, first let me say no i didnt read all of the posts on this thread because i didnt want to read anyone arguing for that long!! Second let me say I dont want to argue with anyone on here!!
So here goes, it was said to me that the rice rations were from big suppliers who were putting a 4 bag limit, bags being 20 or 40 lbs I cant remember... But that it was put on them so that people cant go buying tons of rice and trying to jack the price of it up and sell it for profit. I dont think that on a personal what your family can eat level there are any rations whatso ever... I think this is just to do with trying to keep people from buying the rice and selling it at outragious prices to those who really need it.... And before I get asked, this info is from my father who happens to be one of the smartest people I know. He is very political and very up to date with all current events at all times. I hadnt heard anything about this until Ship pointed it out in this thread... and before I posted a comment about it I wanted to wait and ask my dad about it because he can always explain things so that I can understand them.
So basically I dont think that any one person has to worry about the normal consumable rations of rice that they purchase, its just the people who are thinking of buying rice and selling it for profit who will be stopped by this ration. I myself dont see anything wrong with that. We have pleanty to feed Americans and then some, its merely a means to try and controll the price from getting even higher for those who really cant afford for it to get any higher than it already is.
But again these are my opinions, I have done no research on the matter other than speaking to my dad, who did do research on it... Hope this helps to clear up some issues and some arguing that was done previously on here. We can all get along I am sure, and I truely hope that nobody got too mad on this thread or any other because thats not what any of us are here for!!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful morning, day, night!!
And please dont call the spelling/grammer police on me!!!
So here goes, it was said to me that the rice rations were from big suppliers who were putting a 4 bag limit, bags being 20 or 40 lbs I cant remember... But that it was put on them so that people cant go buying tons of rice and trying to jack the price of it up and sell it for profit. I dont think that on a personal what your family can eat level there are any rations whatso ever... I think this is just to do with trying to keep people from buying the rice and selling it at outragious prices to those who really need it.... And before I get asked, this info is from my father who happens to be one of the smartest people I know. He is very political and very up to date with all current events at all times. I hadnt heard anything about this until Ship pointed it out in this thread... and before I posted a comment about it I wanted to wait and ask my dad about it because he can always explain things so that I can understand them.
So basically I dont think that any one person has to worry about the normal consumable rations of rice that they purchase, its just the people who are thinking of buying rice and selling it for profit who will be stopped by this ration. I myself dont see anything wrong with that. We have pleanty to feed Americans and then some, its merely a means to try and controll the price from getting even higher for those who really cant afford for it to get any higher than it already is.
But again these are my opinions, I have done no research on the matter other than speaking to my dad, who did do research on it... Hope this helps to clear up some issues and some arguing that was done previously on here. We can all get along I am sure, and I truely hope that nobody got too mad on this thread or any other because thats not what any of us are here for!!
Hope everyone is having a wonderful morning, day, night!!
And please dont call the spelling/grammer police on me!!!
Good post, It does seem that Panic buying is a big factor as well.
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still hungry..............
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prncss4someone: still hungry..............
I'm running to Krogers and get my 80 lbs of Uncle Bens Rice.
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In the last 20 years, Haiti's rice production has fallen to just over what over 50% of what was produced 10 years prior (now about 99,000 tons). About 20 years ago they began to buy long cerneled 'Miami' rice from the US. The market likes this better than the short cerneled rice that is grown locally. In doing so, Hatian began not to plant and grow rice. Their fields and irrigations systems went into disrepair. Large scale rice farming operations were abandoned. Today they import about 400,000 ton from the US.
Then more recently with devaluation of the dollar and with rising prices on the fertilizer, the production level decreased even more.
With a devalued dollar, they cannot import as much. Because often it on a Foreign aid program that is giving them UDS dollar to buy thier
foods.
They going back to growing more and working on a reducing the import prices of the Miami rice.
If you follow those figures on rice. The best yield they had was 200,000 tons of rice in thier own production of 20 years ago. The US today is providing 2 times what they produced in thier best growing year. 4 time what they are producing today.
source:
Orlando Sentinel Friday April 25, 2008 page A14
Title: "Haitians hope growing own rice will ease crisis"
Also this:
3 Haitian survived an attempted to make the crossing in a boat filled with 27 people. When the boat sank, the three survived by clinging for 24 hour on the corpses of the others. They were rescued near the Bahamas.
source:
Orlando Sentinel Friday April 25. 2008 page A14
Title: "Clinging to Corpse, Haitian Refugee Survives Boat Capsizing
Then more recently with devaluation of the dollar and with rising prices on the fertilizer, the production level decreased even more.
With a devalued dollar, they cannot import as much. Because often it on a Foreign aid program that is giving them UDS dollar to buy thier
foods.
They going back to growing more and working on a reducing the import prices of the Miami rice.
If you follow those figures on rice. The best yield they had was 200,000 tons of rice in thier own production of 20 years ago. The US today is providing 2 times what they produced in thier best growing year. 4 time what they are producing today.
source:
Orlando Sentinel Friday April 25, 2008 page A14
Title: "Haitians hope growing own rice will ease crisis"
Also this:
3 Haitian survived an attempted to make the crossing in a boat filled with 27 people. When the boat sank, the three survived by clinging for 24 hour on the corpses of the others. They were rescued near the Bahamas.
source:
Orlando Sentinel Friday April 25. 2008 page A14
Title: "Clinging to Corpse, Haitian Refugee Survives Boat Capsizing
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Words words words words.....
Where are your sources. No ship, I'm not talking to you. No HL, you are one of the fastest researchers here.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
Where are your sources. No ship, I'm not talking to you. No HL, you are one of the fastest researchers here.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
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here's a list of countries aides by the US. (By area)
It's 2006, yes, but our aid has increased quite a bit in the last two years.
It's 2006, yes, but our aid has increased quite a bit in the last two years.
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j_goose71: Words words words words.....Where are your sources. No ship, I'm not talking to you. No HL, you are one of the fastest researchers here.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
Irish people were the highest per capita in contributing to the Tsunamai.
Don't spout a general when an important counts :rollseyes:
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source. rather than bash.....
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j_goose71: Words words words words.....Where are your sources. No ship, I'm not talking to you. No HL, you are one of the fastest researchers here.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
This it to the poster of the most charitable country or whatever. I don't waste my time with childish arguements.
The Us has spent more money in aid than any other.
Go to the dollars spent and read....
U.S. (in millions) 22,739
Oh here's Ireland (in millions) 997.
Please spout off opnion with backed proof.
And Ireland has 3.5 million people Goose, do the math and check as well just how much of these promises were kept - less than 50%
and this is not childish?
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Source is always the preferred option 
A generalisation is always a fall on the butt type of not welcome thing.
A generalisation is always a fall on the butt type of not welcome thing.
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j_goose71: source. rather than bash.....
Get with the picture Goose, this is not about which country gave the most who who did not honour their promises, this is about a global issue that goes way outside national boundaries.
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I am certainly no expert on this subject, and can only offer my opinion as one American girl who does hold some level of respect for the mainstream press.
I am opposed to the war for many, many reasons -- including the financial burden on the U.S. And I am sympathetic to shipoker's point that we are spending ridiculous amounts of money on a futile military effort when our resources could be better spent in other ways.
However, my local paper printed a great story last Sunday about world poverty showing a picture of "mud cakes" that people were eating to ward off starvation. These were made out of shortening and mud. I will gladly give up rice for a year in order to prevent another human being from eating mud.
It doesn't matter what nation we are from -- we are all human beings. In the U.S. we throw away enough leftovers to feed thousands. We could certainly give up rice to reach out to those who just happened to be born somewhere else.
I am opposed to the war for many, many reasons -- including the financial burden on the U.S. And I am sympathetic to shipoker's point that we are spending ridiculous amounts of money on a futile military effort when our resources could be better spent in other ways.
However, my local paper printed a great story last Sunday about world poverty showing a picture of "mud cakes" that people were eating to ward off starvation. These were made out of shortening and mud. I will gladly give up rice for a year in order to prevent another human being from eating mud.
It doesn't matter what nation we are from -- we are all human beings. In the U.S. we throw away enough leftovers to feed thousands. We could certainly give up rice to reach out to those who just happened to be born somewhere else.
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The truth of the matter is that all most countries do not give what they promise and as long as we continue to fight among ourselves nothing will happen. It is a global problem and a global response is needed. All of our Governments are not doing enough to deal with the current situations.
Fighting among ourselves will do nothing to solve anything.
Fighting among ourselves will do nothing to solve anything.
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ttom500: I need to jumb in some. This most recent Hatian issue was when someday 100s or other days 1000s of Haitian were getting into old wooden boats, filling them to the max, and trying to make a crossing to our shore. Literally 100s were dieing in attempting to make the crossing.
The US could have deployed a Naval flotilla and intercept them near our shores and sent them back....making this crossing a second deadly time. Or we could deploy near the Island and intercept them there. That is what did and do today even.
The reason they made the crossing was internal problems within country. Realizing that the only recourse is to act within the country.
Some was military and police operations....but most was judicial and social services programs were done inside Hati.
So while rice is a main food stable of Hati. The issues within Hati were
causing the problems there and here. I am glad you held off the rice and some poor 3rd world person was fed today. But the bigger issues of such mass human movement, that few seldom see these days are bigger than a box of rice.
The other time that the US deployed into Hati. Was when they were near to losing thier country to some very nasty people.....that promoted such things human sacrifice for religious ceremonies.
So again, while the rice you did not buy might save one person for one day time. These are bigger issues that you tend to avoid here and then paint the US as the bad guy in regard to Hati. We export a lot food all around the world.....wish a figure? 2007 US Agri exports $810b USD a little more than a box of rice.
The US could have deployed a Naval flotilla and intercept them near our shores and sent them back....making this crossing a second deadly time. Or we could deploy near the Island and intercept them there. That is what did and do today even.
The reason they made the crossing was internal problems within country. Realizing that the only recourse is to act within the country.
Some was military and police operations....but most was judicial and social services programs were done inside Hati.
So while rice is a main food stable of Hati. The issues within Hati were
causing the problems there and here. I am glad you held off the rice and some poor 3rd world person was fed today. But the bigger issues of such mass human movement, that few seldom see these days are bigger than a box of rice.
The other time that the US deployed into Hati. Was when they were near to losing thier country to some very nasty people.....that promoted such things human sacrifice for religious ceremonies.
So again, while the rice you did not buy might save one person for one day time. These are bigger issues that you tend to avoid here and then paint the US as the bad guy in regard to Hati. We export a lot food all around the world.....wish a figure? 2007 US Agri exports $810b USD a little more than a box of rice.
I am not pointing only to the US as the bad guy here, there is a lot of people around the World who could not give a damm about Global poverty. I am guilty as hell of using the US as the current "bad boy" of World politics as Russia and other countries have been used before.
The whole point I am making is that change must come and come soon and we must agree that we have been led to believe that an ebd to starvation was going to happen. It has not!
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I just get tired of everybody bashing the U.S. for everything bad in the world....then later say Oh..I'm not just talking about the U.S. But it is the only nation they call by name to put the blame on!!
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shipoker55: I just get tired of everybody bashing the U.S. for everything bad in the world....then later say Oh..I'm not just talking about the U.S. But it is the only nation they call by name to put the blame on!!
Cheer up! Every major country gets its turn; England, especially for that disease 'socialism', Germany for much more and worse; before Germany, it was France; everything from colonial domination and wars and before them, it was the Belgians for all the horrors of the Congo, etc. etc. right back to Denmark, Sweden and Ireland for all the wild party boys known as Vikings and before them, Italy and the Roman Empire; before that, the Greeks, the Trojans...geez how far back shall we go...see the short version in History Of The World by Mel Brooks. You'll get the picture....did you know that many actually believe that it was all true! %D
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solitare: Cheer up! Every major country gets its turn; England, especially for that disease 'socialism', Germany for much more and worse; before Germany, it was France; everything from colonial domination and wars and before them, it was the Belgians for all the horrors of the Congo, etc. etc. right back to Denmark, Sweden and Ireland for all the wild party boys known as Vikings and before them, Italy and the Roman Empire; before that, the Greeks, the Trojans...geez how far back shall we go...see the short version in History Of The World by Mel Brooks. You'll get the picture....did you know that many actually believe that it was all true! %D
very wise man you are
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Now it's BIG RICE. Where does it end?