Was Moses just another cult leader? (and other borrowed ideas) (52)
Just as an observation, if you do have enough research and material (costly investment), you do not have to dig into the translations for long so see that much of hte biblical Old Testament can be viewed as an edited rewrite of Sumerian stories. For instance, The tablets talk of how King Sargon was floated on a river in a basket of rushes...the Bible tells this same story of Moses.
Interestingly, many of the terms translated into the English version of the Old Testaments as "God" come from words that actually means gods, plural, and the Sumerians said the founder of their civilization were a race of beings that came to this planet from elsewhere in the heavens (universe) bringing great knowledge and technology...which built Atlantis. And some of that knowledge was carried on to Egypt after the great flood.
That's all I got for now. Not asking anyone to accept it, just making an observation pertaining to this thread. Not saying this is my truth, but it is documented, or what was left of it.
Interestingly, many of the terms translated into the English version of the Old Testaments as "God" come from words that actually means gods, plural, and the Sumerians said the founder of their civilization were a race of beings that came to this planet from elsewhere in the heavens (universe) bringing great knowledge and technology...which built Atlantis. And some of that knowledge was carried on to Egypt after the great flood.
That's all I got for now. Not asking anyone to accept it, just making an observation pertaining to this thread. Not saying this is my truth, but it is documented, or what was left of it.
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hahaha like I just read alll that - - K actually just got hone anf jusy left my che3zh friends - what a great day - its been levelly dancing with people whim language doesnt matter to - hey n what the heck - its may day too..................................
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chuckleisciousnessness - thaats got to be one of the drunkest things i heard in ages 
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StressFree: Just as an observation, if you do have enough research and material (costly investment), you do not have to dig into the translations for long so see that much of hte biblical Old Testament can be viewed as an edited rewrite of Sumerian stories. For instance, The tablets talk of how King Sargon was floated on a river in a basket of rushes...the Bible tells this same story of Moses.
Interestingly, many of the terms translated into the English version of the Old Testaments as "God" come from words that actually means gods, plural, and the Sumerians said the founder of their civilization were a race of beings that came to this planet from elsewhere in the heavens (universe) bringing great knowledge and technology...which built Atlantis. And some of that knowledge was carried on to Egypt after the great flood.
That's all I got for now. Not asking anyone to accept it, just making an observation pertaining to this thread. Not saying this is my truth, but it is documented, or what was left of it.
Interestingly, many of the terms translated into the English version of the Old Testaments as "God" come from words that actually means gods, plural, and the Sumerians said the founder of their civilization were a race of beings that came to this planet from elsewhere in the heavens (universe) bringing great knowledge and technology...which built Atlantis. And some of that knowledge was carried on to Egypt after the great flood.
That's all I got for now. Not asking anyone to accept it, just making an observation pertaining to this thread. Not saying this is my truth, but it is documented, or what was left of it.
woo hoo - is somebody wanting to speak in the abstract lets go there hahahahhahah
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I've studied other religions as a hobby for years. It's a very interesting topic for me.
The Sumerians called ther gods the "Annunaki", or "Those from heaven to earth did come." According to Sumerian legend, the Annunaki were the creators. And they created MAN. Wanna know what his name was? A-dom!!!
And this is written on stone tablets and cylander seals thousands of years BEFORE the Biblical account of Genesis. I believe the Bible is a plagurized account taken from MANY ancient Pagan religions.
The Bible God offers eternal life in heaven for all those who believe and worship him. And people believe that to be FACT. But, Osirus, the Egyptian God offered the same to his followers, so did Demeter. In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades. Yet, these have been passed off as myth to modern man.
Jesus Christ is described as the son of God, born of a mortal woman. And according to prophesy, turned water into wine, raised girls from the dead, Healed a blind man with "his spittle", and set it all up for believers to get into heaven, but those who misbehave are on their way to Hades. This, too is believed to be fact according to Bible believers.
So why is it that when we read a story about Vespatian healing a blind man with his "spittle", we see it as a myth?
Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from the dead, but that is a myth. Pythia, the priestess at the Oricle at Delphi (Greece) prophesied for a thousand years and the prophesies came true--myth. Dionysus turned water into wine, and his followers were filled with "atay", the Spirit of God,--myth. Romulus, Son of God, born of a virgin--myth. Alexander the Great, Son of God, born of a mortal woman--myth. Agustus, Son of God, born of mortal woman--myth.
How is Jesus "fact" when he came thousands of years after all the others?
The Sumerians called ther gods the "Annunaki", or "Those from heaven to earth did come." According to Sumerian legend, the Annunaki were the creators. And they created MAN. Wanna know what his name was? A-dom!!!
And this is written on stone tablets and cylander seals thousands of years BEFORE the Biblical account of Genesis. I believe the Bible is a plagurized account taken from MANY ancient Pagan religions.
The Bible God offers eternal life in heaven for all those who believe and worship him. And people believe that to be FACT. But, Osirus, the Egyptian God offered the same to his followers, so did Demeter. In fact, when ancient writers tell us that in general ancient people believed in eternal life, with the good going to the Elysian Fields and the not so good going to Hades. Yet, these have been passed off as myth to modern man.
Jesus Christ is described as the son of God, born of a mortal woman. And according to prophesy, turned water into wine, raised girls from the dead, Healed a blind man with "his spittle", and set it all up for believers to get into heaven, but those who misbehave are on their way to Hades. This, too is believed to be fact according to Bible believers.
So why is it that when we read a story about Vespatian healing a blind man with his "spittle", we see it as a myth?
Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from the dead, but that is a myth. Pythia, the priestess at the Oricle at Delphi (Greece) prophesied for a thousand years and the prophesies came true--myth. Dionysus turned water into wine, and his followers were filled with "atay", the Spirit of God,--myth. Romulus, Son of God, born of a virgin--myth. Alexander the Great, Son of God, born of a mortal woman--myth. Agustus, Son of God, born of mortal woman--myth.
How is Jesus "fact" when he came thousands of years after all the others?
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Hiya Trish....
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j_goose71: Sure it's myth. They teach you in school that Egyptian Gods were mythology. Zeus was Mythological, etc.
But Biblical stories are accepted as fact by so many. The thread is pointing out how the Bible borrowed ideas from paganism, not energies, karma, reincarnation, or the like. Just the fact that the Bible is NOT origional in any way.
But Biblical stories are accepted as fact by so many. The thread is pointing out how the Bible borrowed ideas from paganism, not energies, karma, reincarnation, or the like. Just the fact that the Bible is NOT origional in any way.
Uhm, you missed my point. Also, I would like to point out that Paganism speaks a great deal about energies and karma....in their own way. Just like any other mythology/religion. History is the lie commonly agreed upon, so we do agree as to some of the prescribed nonsense that is taught to us.
The biblical stories do have some truth in it. It depends how deep in the rabbit hole you are dwelling in, and how you can connect it to the alternate history that has been hidden from us.
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j_goose71: I've studied other religions as a hobby for years. It's a very interesting topic for me.
The Sumerians called ther gods the "Annunaki", or "Those from heaven to earth did come." According to Sumerian legend, the Annunaki were the creators. And they created MAN. Wanna know what his name was? A-dom!!!
And this is written on stone tablets and cylander seals thousands of years BEFORE the Biblical account of Genesis. I believe the Bible is a plagurized account taken from MANY ancient Pagan religions.
The Sumerians called ther gods the "Annunaki", or "Those from heaven to earth did come." According to Sumerian legend, the Annunaki were the creators. And they created MAN. Wanna know what his name was? A-dom!!!
And this is written on stone tablets and cylander seals thousands of years BEFORE the Biblical account of Genesis. I believe the Bible is a plagurized account taken from MANY ancient Pagan religions.
Actually you are almost correct. Paganism has never been a religion. It has simply always been the use of energies as well as the earth in order to create. Nothing more and nothing less.
The religious uprisings had turned Paganism into devil worshipping hence the reason that it was underground for so many years and never spoken of.
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good point serenity
theres a few here that arent here at the moment
that are pretty versed on paganism
anyway i just wanted to mention how many times
ive been ridiculed about the length of my posts
and being so many things
this post is...
i think maybe whats good for the goose is also
alright for other people too
theres a few here that arent here at the moment
that are pretty versed on paganism
anyway i just wanted to mention how many times
ive been ridiculed about the length of my posts
and being so many things
this post is...
i think maybe whats good for the goose is also
alright for other people too
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Serenity1971: Actually you are almost correct. Paganism has never been a religion. It has simply always been the use of energies as well as the earth in order to create. Nothing more and nothing less.
The religious uprisings had turned Paganism into devil worshipping hence the reason that it was underground for so many years and never spoken of.
The religious uprisings had turned Paganism into devil worshipping hence the reason that it was underground for so many years and never spoken of.
By definition......
Definitions of paganism on the Web:
1. any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism
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j_goose71: By definition......
Definitions of paganism on the Web:
1. any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism
Definitions of paganism on the Web:
1. any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism
Well that definition is actually in acurate and incorrect. Ask any old Pagan if it's a religion and they will fall of their chair laughing.
They are now referring to a certain offspring of Paganism which is Wicca. It was deemed a religion so that it could be practiced without being burned on stakes again as well as be able to practice within institutions ie; jails, prisons, hospitals etc.
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Here ya go.
You guys can NEVER agree on this stuff.
EVER!
Why botherit,askit thou.lol
Hi Serenity.
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friendsfirst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism
Here ya go.
You guys can NEVER agree on this stuff.
EVER!
Hi Serenity.
Here ya go.
You guys can NEVER agree on this stuff.
EVER!
Hi Serenity.
wikipedia is one of the worst WORST sources for information known to man and god
actually seems ive been ridiculed for citing web sources as well
crazed angel and a few of the 'younger' girls
are pretty on that deal
its all lovely i think-all of it
we all want to be loved and love
we all want to rely and be relied on
by a greater power
deep down i believe that
and what another thinks of it doesnt make a difference. literally.
does not.
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i believe for every drop of rain that falls
a flower grows
no really
i believe that
and its a good thing!
the news is on RIGHT NOW saying its gonna freeze again tonight
a flower grows
no really
i believe that
and its a good thing!
the news is on RIGHT NOW saying its gonna freeze again tonight
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Serenity1971: Well that definition is actually in acurate and incorrect. Ask any old Pagan if it's a religion and they will fall of their chair laughing.
They are now referring to a certain offspring of Paganism which is Wicca. It was deemed a religion so that it could be practiced without being burned on stakes again as well as be able to practice within institutions ie; jails, prisons, hospitals etc.
They are now referring to a certain offspring of Paganism which is Wicca. It was deemed a religion so that it could be practiced without being burned on stakes again as well as be able to practice within institutions ie; jails, prisons, hospitals etc.
In addition it had become referred to as Paganism due to the rising of religions and they felt the need to put a name on it.
Pagans consist of healers, alchemists, astrologers, haruspices, Oracles and shamans if you want to get to the real nitty gritty of it.
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mindfful: i believe for every drop of rain that falls
a flower grows
no really
i believe that
and its a good thing!
the news is on RIGHT NOW saying its gonna freeze again tonight
a flower grows
no really
i believe that
and its a good thing!
the news is on RIGHT NOW saying its gonna freeze again tonight
That's actually a truth, though it depends on what you call a flower, it could also be a weed or a blade of grass
I love that
It's going to be in the 90's here...Wanna trade?
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This is kinda cool. (Plus I bumped the thread for Brezee)
Sumerian religion was polytheistic, that is, the Sumerians believed in and worshipped many gods. These gods were incredibly powerful and anthropomorphic, that is, they resembled humans. Many of these gods controlled natural forces and were associated with astronomical bodies, such as the sun. The gods were creator gods; as a group, they had created the world and the people in it. Like humans, they suffered all the ravages of human emotional and spiritual frailties: love, lust, hatred, anger, regret. Among the gods' biggest regrets was the creation of human life; the Sumerians believed that these gods regretted the creation of human life and sent a flood to destroy their faulty creation, but one man survived by building a boat. While the destruction of the earth in a great flood is nearly universal in all human mythology and religion, we can't be sure if the Semites had a similar story or took it over from the Sumerians. This is, of course, a question of contemporary significance: According to Genesis, the origionator of the Hebrew race, the patriarch of Abraham, origionally came from...(guess where?) the sumerian city of Ur!
Sumerian religion was polytheistic, that is, the Sumerians believed in and worshipped many gods. These gods were incredibly powerful and anthropomorphic, that is, they resembled humans. Many of these gods controlled natural forces and were associated with astronomical bodies, such as the sun. The gods were creator gods; as a group, they had created the world and the people in it. Like humans, they suffered all the ravages of human emotional and spiritual frailties: love, lust, hatred, anger, regret. Among the gods' biggest regrets was the creation of human life; the Sumerians believed that these gods regretted the creation of human life and sent a flood to destroy their faulty creation, but one man survived by building a boat. While the destruction of the earth in a great flood is nearly universal in all human mythology and religion, we can't be sure if the Semites had a similar story or took it over from the Sumerians. This is, of course, a question of contemporary significance: According to Genesis, the origionator of the Hebrew race, the patriarch of Abraham, origionally came from...(guess where?) the sumerian city of Ur!
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mindfful: wikipedia is one of the worst WORST sources for information known to man and god
actually seems ive been ridiculed for citing web sources as well
crazed angel and a few of the 'younger' girls
are pretty on that deal
its all lovely i think-all of it
we all want to be loved and love
we all want to rely and be relied on
by a greater power
deep down i believe that
and what another thinks of it doesnt make a difference. literally.
does not.
actually seems ive been ridiculed for citing web sources as well
crazed angel and a few of the 'younger' girls
are pretty on that deal
its all lovely i think-all of it
we all want to be loved and love
we all want to rely and be relied on
by a greater power
deep down i believe that
and what another thinks of it doesnt make a difference. literally.
does not.
I would agree about old Wikipedia, and most things there i take with a large pinch of salt, mainly because anyone can contribute to the subject and we all know how well informed the public are, don't we
The works of Zacharia Sitchin are well worth looking at if your interested in the origins of the gods, and if you want me to suggest more reading materials, just let me know, i have one of the finest library's on the subject anywhere, right here in the house!
There's lots of common ground in ancient histories around the globe, the great flood being just one of them.Anyone who takes the bible though as a historical document though probably isn't aware it's a series of amalgamated tales from lots of ancient belief systems, mostly pagan.
Thumbs up for a thread above the level of "my favourite sock colour".
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RobbieM: Thumbs up for a thread above the level of "my favourite sock colour".
I'm echoing that!!
Serenity, StressFree and esp. Goose
for your very interesting, informative, intelligent posts so far This thread makes you think......
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Hail, Neheb-nefert, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have not stolen the bread of the gods.
Hail, Tcheser-tep, who comest forth from the shrine, I have not carried away the khenfu cakes from the Spirits of the dead.
Hail, An-af, who comest forth from Maati, I have not snatched away the bread of the child, nor treated with contempt the god of my city.
Hail, Hetch-abhu, who comest forth from Ta-she, I have not slain the cattle belonging to the god.
So, did Moses climb the Mountain and compile his own commandments by plagurizing the 42 confessions, compress them into ten, and say they were given to him by God, and presenting them to the illiterate masses to make them follow what he wanted them to do?
Was Moses a cult leader? And how many other ideas were plagurized into the most published book in history?