Catholism, Mary and 'False Gods'.. (178)
Mysteries of the Bible.....wasn't there a TV show like that created by some guys in Holywood.
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RDWIV: The statues in church are symbols only honoring who they represent. Don't you have pictures on your walls of YOUR loved ones in your home? Mary is the Mother of God. Period. The Catholic Church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself. The King James bible is flawed and leaves out important verses when he revised it. Don't hypothisize and deduce too much in your analysis of what you read in the bible. Remember that there are mysteries that we will never understand. Don't get lost or stray away because of your lack of faith because faith is the most important component in all of this. By the statement you make about Mary being worshiped as a god is so way off and wrong, it indicates to me that you have been misguided in your education of the Catholic Church. But do not despair. I think you will be alright because eventually you will come around to the correct understanding that Mary was predestined and immune from all the stains of original sin in order to be the Mother of God. We pray to Mary so she will pray for us to her Son. Don't forget that their are angels too. Questions you have will not always be answered, but in the fact that they cannot be answered should strengthen your faith that heaven awaits you when God calls you home.
In response to: The Catholic Church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself......
.....in about AD 300,in Collaboration with Constantine!!!!
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Conrad73: .....in about AD 300,in Collaboration with Constantine!!!!
thats historically insignificant when you have faith Conrad. ------ This thread is Archived ------
Oragami...thousands of years in the making, but provable.
Creation...by the common man.
Creation...by the common man.
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RDWIV: The statues in church are symbols only honoring who they represent. Don't you have pictures on your walls of YOUR loved ones in your home? Mary is the Mother of God. Period. The Catholic Church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself. The King James bible is flawed and leaves out important verses when he revised it. Don't hypothisize and deduce too much in your analysis of what you read in the bible. Remember that there are mysteries that we will never understand. Don't get lost or stray away because of your lack of faith because faith is the most important component in all of this. By the statement you make about Mary being worshiped as a god is so way off and wrong, it indicates to me that you have been misguided in your education of the Catholic Church. But do not despair. I think you will be alright because eventually you will come around to the correct understanding that Mary was predestined and immune from all the stains of original sin in order to be the Mother of God. We pray to Mary so she will pray for us to her Son. Don't forget that their are angels too. Questions you have will not always be answered, but in the fact that they cannot be answered should strengthen your faith that heaven awaits you when God calls you home.
Ok I have tons to say to the above comments but will have to comment later, and will do some prep too to make sure am correct.... but I feel I do have to say... I am a DEVOTED Christian, I have been Babtised in water and spirit and I believe passionately in God's word and Jesus Christ,... I am trying to clarify these points. NOT because I lack faith, but because I have so much of it..
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Conrad73: .....in about AD 300,in Collaboration with Constantine!!!!
I know!!! he is referring I think about the comment that Jesus made to Peter, telling him that he would be the rock upon which he would build his church etc... but Jesus also said that churches were to be without walls, that is part of the symbolism of the falling of the Temple.. a church is to be a body of people united in their beliefs and united in worship.. NOT opulent and powerful heirarchies.. good grief!! am going to have to do my research on Peter now
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RDWIV: The statues in church are symbols only honoring who they represent. Don't you have pictures on your walls of YOUR loved ones in your home? Mary is the Mother of God. Period. The Catholic Church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself. The King James bible is flawed and leaves out important verses when he revised it. Don't hypothisize and deduce too much in your analysis of what you read in the bible. Remember that there are mysteries that we will never understand. Don't get lost or stray away because of your lack of faith because faith is the most important component in all of this. By the statement you make about Mary being worshiped as a god is so way off and wrong, it indicates to me that you have been misguided in your education of the Catholic Church. But do not despair. I think you will be alright because eventually you will come around to the correct understanding that Mary was predestined and immune from all the stains of original sin in order to be the Mother of God. We pray to Mary so she will pray for us to her Son. Don't forget that their are angels too. Questions you have will not always be answered, but in the fact that they cannot be answered should strengthen your faith that heaven awaits you when God calls you home.
Ok... forgot to ask in the last post.. can you please point out where exactly it says that we are to pray through Mary to reach God.... Jesus said himself, no one comes to the father except through me'John 14:6.... he is 'the way, the thruth and the life'.. this is repeated many times through the Bible... have to research the exact passages for you.. and I will.... each and every one of them, while I am doing that, please do me the curtesy of locating the passage in the Bible where it says pray to Mary.... there isn't any that I am aware of.. but perhaps you can enlighten me..
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You weren't paying attention ship.I'm curious what else is King James known for... I mean the ability to "rewrite"a religious historical account "" known as the bible is a great feat.
I am aware that king/prince james did not himself rewrite the bible.
I chose my words badly...
I am aware that king/prince james did not himself rewrite the bible.
I chose my words badly...
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[quote=fireliter
I am aware that king/prince james did not himself rewrite the bible.
I chose my words badly...
well dont worry, so did the bible editors
I am aware that king/prince james did not himself rewrite the bible.
I chose my words badly...
well dont worry, so did the bible editors
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Galwayman2008: Don't know that Mary is worshipped a a God, Aries, as you suggest. Certaijly thats not what I was reared to as a Catholic. The Council of Ephesus in 403 laid down the rule: "Let Mary be held in honour. Let the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost be adored, but let no one adore Mary".
Am I missing some piece catholic history here ?
GM
Am I missing some piece catholic history here ?
GM
Following various alleged supernatural 'visitations' the Mary theme gathered momentum over the years... that has partly contributed to it.. also.. to pray for intercession through Mary (which according to scripture you can only do through Jesus John 14:6) is to place Mary in a place where Jesus should be, and given that Jesus is was the son of God (the human manifestation of God) that places Mary in a place where only God should be.. so yeah.. it is treating her as a God... we are not to pray to anyone but God (through Jesus)... that is what the Bible says.. the Bible is my source.. I am not saying this for the fun of it, I am not making it up.. and No.. It is not because I hate Catholics.. I just want all Catholics to realise that what they are doing is not scriptural, they are mislead.. to their spiritual detriment.. in a way that is contrary to truth.. that's all.. you a devout Catholic then?
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excuse my ignorance of the catholic dogma but didn't they canonized Mary recently? and what does being canonize mean?
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fireliter: excuse my ignorance of the catholic dogma but didn't they canonized Mary recently? and what does being canonize mean?
I must look it up... though I have to say, I thought that given Mary and St Peter's role in history, their saint status was presumed i.e. no formal process...
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Aries01: I must look it up... though I have to say, I thought that given Mary and St Peter's role in history, their saint status was presumed i.e. no formal process...
It is possible that they where made saints before the current process was thought up
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I think it ironic, that you would not hold yourself to the same standard of proof as you expect to hold catholics AND were it not for the Roman Catholic Church, it's unlikey this book would have any appeal in history, let alone faith.
They, like most relgious zealots, justify as you do, without proofs and treat any challenge to faith as some "false profit"...based solely on words, editted for consumption by the very church who's followers you bring into question now.
They, like most relgious zealots, justify as you do, without proofs and treat any challenge to faith as some "false profit"...based solely on words, editted for consumption by the very church who's followers you bring into question now.
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RDWIV: The statues in church are symbols only honoring who they represent. Don't you have pictures on your walls of YOUR loved ones in your home? Mary is the Mother of God. Period. The Catholic Church is the only church founded by Jesus Christ himself. The King James bible is flawed and leaves out important verses when he revised it. Don't hypothisize and deduce too much in your analysis of what you read in the bible. Remember that there are mysteries that we will never understand. Don't get lost or stray away because of your lack of faith because faith is the most important component in all of this. By the statement you make about Mary being worshiped as a god is so way off and wrong, it indicates to me that you have been misguided in your education of the Catholic Church. But do not despair. I think you will be alright because eventually you will come around to the correct understanding that Mary was predestined and immune from all the stains of original sin in order to be the Mother of God. We pray to Mary so she will pray for us to her Son. Don't forget that their are angels too. Questions you have will not always be answered, but in the fact that they cannot be answered should strengthen your faith that heaven awaits you when God calls you home.
Indeed you speak the truth sir.
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To paraphrase the Song:
Brain,Brain Go Away,Come Back Again On Another Day!
Brain,Brain Go Away,Come Back Again On Another Day!
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BnaturAl: I think it ironic, that you would not hold yourself to the same standard of proof as you expect to hold catholics AND were it not for the Roman Catholic Church, it's unlikey this book would have any appeal in history, let alone faith.
They, like most relgious zealots, justify as you do, without proofs and treat any challenge to faith as some "false profit"...based solely on words, editted for consumption by the very church who's followers you bring into question now.
They, like most relgious zealots, justify as you do, without proofs and treat any challenge to faith as some "false profit"...based solely on words, editted for consumption by the very church who's followers you bring into question now.
Hi B... my assertions are based on the Bible and the Bible alone, Catholic dogma is based on alleged writings and studies based on materials which nobody has access to... the powers that be, made up their own doctrine, a doctrine which was not based on any publicly available document... the whole Mary thing was fired up by these alleged 'visitations' which the Catholic held out to be genuine.. these were never prophesised in the Bible.. as Jesus and John the Babtist and many other key events in history, including events which are said to happen to the future.. I base my beliefs on the Bible... which I assume to be the word of God (now whether you accept it as the word of God is another argument) but at least it is based on something...
The Catholic church.. from their shiney gold and jewel encrusted pulpit have unilaterally rewritten God's law so to speak, and they require their congregation to conform to rules and practices which have no scriptural basis.. I chose to accept the Bible and its contents and I chose to worship in the way that it (and only it subscribes)now while I do not know the mysteries of the universe, in the same way that no other living being does, at least I chose to base the practice of my faith on the Book which represents the foundation of this faith... phew!!
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crotalus_p: It is possible that they where made saints before the current process was thought up
With the Catholic church clearly anything is possible including re-inventing Christianity in accordance with its own agenda and basing it (among other things)on some dubious 'visitations'.. and alleged documents and studies which have never been made publically available.. so yeah.. anything is possible...
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Aries01: Hi B... my assertions are based on the Bible and the Bible alone, Catholic dogma is based on alleged writings and studies based on materials which nobody has access to... the powers that be, made up their own doctrine, a doctrine which was not based on any publicly available document... the whole Mary thing was fired up by these alleged 'visitations' which the Catholic held out to be genuine.. these were never prophesised in the Bible.. as Jesus and John the Babtist and many other key events in history, including events which are said to happen to the future..
I base my beliefs on the Bible... which I assume to be the word of God (now whether you accept it as the word of God is another argument) but at least it is based on something...
The Catholic church.. from their shiney gold and jewel encrusted pulpit have unilaterally rewritten God's law so to speak, and they require their congregation to conform to rules and practices which have no scriptural basis.. I chose to accept the Bible and its contents and I chose to worship in the way that it (and only it subscribes)now while I do not know the mysteries of the universe, in the same way that no other living being does, at least I chose to base the practice of my faith on the Book which represents the foundation of this faith... phew!!
I base my beliefs on the Bible... which I assume to be the word of God (now whether you accept it as the word of God is another argument) but at least it is based on something...
The Catholic church.. from their shiney gold and jewel encrusted pulpit have unilaterally rewritten God's law so to speak, and they require their congregation to conform to rules and practices which have no scriptural basis.. I chose to accept the Bible and its contents and I chose to worship in the way that it (and only it subscribes)now while I do not know the mysteries of the universe, in the same way that no other living being does, at least I chose to base the practice of my faith on the Book which represents the foundation of this faith... phew!!
thanks O, but I do believe you missed my point. The bible only survived in in whole or in part because of an oppressive empire. That created the church to further that empire. People wanted gods, because gods are higher beings. Rulers had no ability to rule when people treated them as lessor beings. The Empire could not have this and still maintain order among its populace, so they created the papacy (their supreme connection to god) edited and proclaimed the bible as the book of the one and only god. It has been rewritten and again edited since, by others, who knew the only way to power was to steal this god and hence the connection to that god. King whatshisname. What does a king need with a god in manner of rule? He doesn't. God is to be shared , not owned by protestants or cathoilcs or christians. No book will ever change this shared nature of god, but it will change those who think they own god by way of wisdom, jesus or anyone else.
I dont dispute the good things about the bible, I do take issue with its contradictions and instructions though. The problem I have with holding this book as a connection to god, is that you , me and everyone can achieve the very same things, have the very same feelings and senses that are attributed to god, without having touched a bible.
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so how do they reconcile that with "I am the lord thy god, thou shalt put no other gods before me." ?