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Aug 27, 2008 7:29 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
alabamabebe
alabamabebealabamabebeBanks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA66 Threads 3 Polls 4,404 Posts
Fallingman: Now that is a fair point! We bumbling idiotic wrecks have just been rumbled! It wasn't our Mom's fault after all!!!!!!!
I wasn't talking about you dear (I don't think. grin)
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Aug 27, 2008 7:30 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
alabamabebe: I disagree. A woman can't make a man be anything he isn't already or doesn't want to be. A "man" who allows a woman to control him wants to be controlled. Men who are bumbling idiotic wrecks would be that way whether there were a woman involved or not. Witness all the single bumbling idiotic wrecks on these sites. You can't tell me they were all fine upstanding confident men before a woman got ahold of them!



I am not disagreeing with you ala, I still stand by what my response was to, which was what the thread about.
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Aug 27, 2008 7:33 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
alabamabebe: I wasn't talking about you dear (I don't think. )


I'm sorry you don't think, Dear.....it must be a terrible affliction. You are in my thoughts! laugh

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Aug 27, 2008 7:47 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
DizzyDi
DizzyDiDizzyDiLancashire, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 1,761 Posts
I have a poster on my bedroom wall

which is of a gingerbread man on a plate

the caption is "the perfect man"

"he is sweet and quiet"

" but if he gives you any crap"










"BITE HIS HEAD OFF !!!!!!!!!"
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Aug 27, 2008 7:53 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
DizzyDi: I have a poster on my bedroom wall

which is of a gingerbread man on a plate

the caption is "the perfect man"

"he is sweet and quiet"

" but if he gives you any crap"

"BITE HIS HEAD OFF !!!!!!!!!"


And they say MEN are insensitive!

crying crying
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Aug 27, 2008 7:58 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
DizzyDi
DizzyDiDizzyDiLancashire, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 1,761 Posts
Fallingman: And they say MEN are insensitive!



I don't want to be controled or to have to control a man


unless it's giving directions of course!!!!!

up a bit, left a bit, get the drift professor rolling on the floor laughing tongue
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Aug 27, 2008 8:12 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
jbibiza
jbibizajbibizaCasinos, Valencia Spain94 Threads 4 Polls 4,914 Posts
alabamabebe: I disagree. A woman can't make a man be anything he isn't already or doesn't want to be. A "man" who allows a woman to control him wants to be controlled. Men who are bumbling idiotic wrecks would be that way whether there were a woman involved or not. Witness all the single bumbling idiotic wrecks on these sites. You can't tell me they were all fine upstanding confident men before a woman got ahold of them!



Well said!!!applause but there are as many women out there that are perfectly happy to have a guy like that... women who do want to be in charge and make the decisions and when the two find each other... that´s a successful relationship.

My little brother is one of those guys... he is sweet and sensitive and sooooo easily taken advantage of, he trusts everyone and there isn´t a mean bone in his body. He married a woman 16 years older then he is, she takes care of all the "stuff" and says that she is so grateful to find someone who loves her the way he does...

They have been together for 17 happy years and she still tells him what he needs to do and he still adores and pampers her.
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Aug 27, 2008 11:25 AM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Zazalee
ZazaleeZazaleeSt-Hyacinthe, Quebec Canada1 Threads 26 Posts
jbibiza: Well said!!!

My little brother is one of those guys... he is sweet and sensitive and sooooo easily taken advantage of, he trusts everyone and there isn´t a mean bone in his body. He married a woman 16 years older then he is, she takes care of all the "stuff" and says that she is so grateful to find someone who loves her the way he does...

They have been together for 17 happy years and she still tells him what he needs to do and he still adores and pampers her.


And how old is your little brother?

And why does he need to be nurtured so much?

I would not use this type of men with issues such as soooo easily taken advantage, as the type of man to take as an example for anything.

He is a simple man who went from under his mother's skirt under his wife's to hide from the world.

I am not so sure when he will hit 50 or 60 that he will say the same things about his wife.? HOw he loves that she is looking after everything?
What will he do if she dies? Find another one to look after him ?


I feel so sorry for your brother.
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Aug 27, 2008 12:10 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Zazalee: And how old is your little brother?

And why does he need to be nurtured so much?

I would not use this type of men with issues such as soooo easily taken advantage, as the type of man to take as an example for anything.

He is a simple man who went from under his mother's skirt under his wife's to hide from the world.

I am not so sure when he will hit 50 or 60 that he will say the same things about his wife.? HOw he loves that she is looking after everything?
What will he do if she dies? Find another one to look after him ?I feel so sorry for your brother.



Whoooaaa...

Why?

jbibiza's brother is happy, not about leaving his mother's skirt for his wife's.

Some people are nurturers and carers and some people like to be taken care of.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Do you not like to take care of your guy?

I do, I like it, I enjoy it. I gain a great deal of pleasure from it, as does this young man's wife, does not mean that any guy I take up with is weak and hen pecked, it means that if he wants to go and earn money that I would take care of the house, if he wanted to then I would go and earn money and if we both want to then we both do our share.

You may need to rethink your views, because I think you may find with your opinions that many men would be put off.

You have mentioned that you dislike a man such as this. What sort of man would you like?
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Aug 27, 2008 12:14 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
Sommerauer71: Whoooaaa...

Why?

jbibiza's brother is happy, not about leaving his mother's skirt for his wife's.

Some people are nurturers and carers and some people like to be taken care of.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Do you not like to take care of your guy?

I do, I like it, I enjoy it. I gain a great deal of pleasure from it, as does this young man's wife, does not mean that any guy I take up with is weak and hen pecked, it means that if he wants to go and earn money that I would take care of the house, if he wanted to then I would go and earn money and if we both want to then we both do our share.

You may need to rethink your views, because I think you may find with your opinions that many men would be put off.

You have mentioned that you dislike a man such as this. What sort of man would you like?



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more often than not tis opposites that attract. wine
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Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
alabamabebe
alabamabebealabamabebeBanks of the Warrior River, Alabama USA66 Threads 3 Polls 4,404 Posts
jbibiza: Well said!!! but there are as many women out there that are perfectly happy to have a guy like that... women who do want to be in charge and make the decisions and when the two find each other... that´s a successful relationship.

My little brother is one of those guys... he is sweet and sensitive and sooooo easily taken advantage of, he trusts everyone and there isn´t a mean bone in his body. He married a woman 16 years older then he is, she takes care of all the "stuff" and says that she is so grateful to find someone who loves her the way he does...

They have been together for 17 happy years and she still tells him what he needs to do and he still adores and pampers her.
thumbs up Nothing wrong with that, they're both happy, and really if he pampers her and she takes care of things for him, that's just being in partnership. The roles may be a little different, but they know what they are and they both enjoy them.

The men who bug me are the ones who complain about women controlling them, when in reality they allow it for whatever reason. No one can control another without their permission.
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Aug 27, 2008 2:10 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
hmm i havent read the entire thread and apologise if i am repeating whats already been said.

In some aspects i a still very conventional and believe in the traditional " male " role esp. when it comes to family and spouse. I still would prefer to look up to him as the family's support pillar and mine too , someone i could look upto and be comforted by . I have absolutely no qualms about accepting him as someone better equipped to handle certain aspects in life.

umm .. certain things which i like about the modern outlook ( the equal rights era ) its nice to know that a man listens to your views , respects your intelligence and independent thought and gives consideration to you as you to him. That he knows treating a woman with love and dignity is an essential requisite of any healthy relation.

On the other hand , i do no believe in respecting or giving some sort of superior treatment to someone cos he is a man. I believe a man is a man by the virtues he posesses and the behavior and attitude he displays. The respect is earned not taken for granted.
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Aug 27, 2008 3:30 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Zazalee: To all Man:

Be yourselfBe the man kind you were ment to be and don't let the woman kind direct you in any other direction. Follow your wild and animal instinct. Until you decide to take control again over the over powerful Woman kind, you will continue to be a little puppet in our homes.

Woman have fraught for the equality so much that now men are too submissive to all woman's needs. In the work place, in the home place, in the community.

They have no more place, we took it all and TELL them were to sit.
Have you looked recently at any commercial representing a family. All men are treated like stupid idiots ! He did not do the laundry right, or took the kid's music to the trash... anything to make him look silly.

Man are not dogs or idiots, they are a wonderful creature that we have to preserve the way they were ment to be. Your Muse.




How about this...instead of always lumping things into the men vs. women category we treat each other as the individuals that we are....none of us fit into the stereo-types and divisions that have been written for us over time...we are all unique people period.....as for equality...your darn right I expect to be treated as an equal in my relationships...but that means an equal amount of giving and putting into the relationship what it requires to make it work.....no one person can carry an imbalanced relationship nor should they have to....without the other feeling resentments.....so do what it takes...or don't do it at all!!!!!!!!



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Aug 27, 2008 4:03 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
riyablossom
riyablossomriyablossomsomewhere, Pennsylvania USA184 Threads 18 Polls 11,244 Posts
BTW .. wrt the OP ...

All men ... treated like idiots ohh stupid ones and we took allllllll their place etc ... its point blanc generalisation must say ...

I dont think its in anyway awkward or little for a man to do laundry or raise kids .. i sorta admire single dads .... sooooooo its tooooo situation based... depending on the other partner. .. how she is , what she does , what both in of u are willing to put into the relationship .. etc etc.

Anndddd somehow ermm maybe men dont need a wakeup call to be men ( IMO uh oh )
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Aug 27, 2008 4:05 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Zazalee: How can you 'complete' something your equal too? I hope men and women will never be eaual! This is another i strongly dissagree.

No ones complete anyone, you are what you are and the only thing that a man or a woman can bring to each other is only extra...

We are complete form the moment we are born.. We are changed after that by our society and environmental and most of all, unfortunately, our Mothers.

Have you noticed how much more submissive man that were raised by only woman are?

I agree that for too long, man was superior to woman in many cultures and still is in some.. But in other countries, woman has become just as superior and abusive.


A union between the divine male and the divine female should not be underestimatedscold

Yes. Earth has gone through many, many, many thousands of years with the women being subjugated and the feminine energies being suppressed. Supposedly, this is the time that both will be equal. Numerology states this as well as Astrology. And I believe it. The male and female divine energies will join and this will make for a harmonious being. Everyone can be a harmonious and peaceful being when these energies are in balance. The new age WHAT!

The energies have not been in balance and they have been for thousands of years. That's why there are so many problems in our world. Just take a peak at divorce rates and our medicated world to deal with this. The yin and the yang are so out of balance, it's really ridiculous.
The root of the problem can vary among different circles. In my opinion, it starts with oneself being out of balance.

Once we all can individually be in balance, then this gender misunderstanding can finally fade. Love is the key. Love is the supreme power. And that is what we need to feel in our lives. What we need to give to each other and feel for each other. But it must start with loving yourself first (not in a narcissist way). In a respectful and understanding way.

I like the teaching of Jesus when it comes to love. Any atheist would be a fool to call this a tool for controlling the masses! I am not looking at anybody in particular...lollaugh
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Aug 27, 2008 4:23 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
BnaturAl
BnaturAlBnaturAlSarnia, Ontario Canada107 Threads 7 Polls 6,811 Posts
StressFree: A union between the divine male and the divine female should not be underestimated

Yes. Earth has gone through many, many, many thousands of years with the women being subjugated and the feminine energies being suppressed. Supposedly, this is the time that both will be equal. Numerology states this as well as Astrology. And I believe it. The male and female divine energies will join and this will make for a harmonious being. Everyone can be a harmonious and peaceful being when these energies are in balance. The new age WHAT!

The energies have not been in balance and they have been for thousands of years. That's why there are so many problems in our world. Just take a peak at divorce rates and our medicated world to deal with this. The yin and the yang are so out of balance, it's really ridiculous.
The root of the problem can vary among different circles. In my opinion, it starts with oneself being out of balance.

Once we all can individually be in balance, then this gender misunderstanding can finally fade. Love is the key. Love is the supreme power. And that is what we need to feel in our lives. What we need to give to each other and feel for each other. But it must start with loving yourself first (not in a narcissist way). In a respectful and understanding way.

I like the teaching of Jesus when it comes to love. Any atheist would be a fool to call this a tool for controlling the masses! I am not looking at anybody in particular...lol


Just slap some butter on that, it'll go down easier.


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Aug 27, 2008 4:30 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
BnaturAl: Just slap some butter on that, it'll go down easier.


That's what she saidbanana cheering

and on the first date....
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Aug 27, 2008 4:35 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
lanabyte
lanabytelanabyteCharleston, West Virginia USA20 Threads 1 Polls 1,223 Posts
I agree. I want a man who will stand up to me and tell me when he thinks I'm wrong and tell me why.
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Aug 27, 2008 6:16 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Zazalee
ZazaleeZazaleeSt-Hyacinthe, Quebec Canada1 Threads 26 Posts
riyablossom: BTW .. wrt the OP ...


I dont think its in anyway awkward or little for a man to do laundry or raise kids .. i sorta admire single dads .... sooooooo its tooooo situation based... depending on the other partner. .. how she is , what she does , what both in of u are willing to put into the relationship .. etc etc.

Anndddd somehow ermm maybe men dont need a wakeup call to be men ( IMO )



I agree with you , but how do you feel about the woman that TELLS her man to go do the laundry? and he goes and does it wrong and she is still complaining about the fact that he did not do it right?


This is what I am trying to say: Too many of us, woman, do not treat man right and it must stop.

And what about that brother that cannot do anything by himself. Again, what will he do when his wife dies? Perhaps he is very happy now , and that is awsome , but what will he do when he has to think by himself. If she would love him realy, she would teach him the things he is not good at. And he would be wiser and less dependent, he would take in her help in becoming a better human. I am sure he is good at something she is not, his knowledge can be shared as well.

Everything must be balanced. Otherwise, one or the other will suffer in the end.

I am convinced that the human kind is a wonderful kind and CAN be equaly balanced in mind and spirit.

How can you say i have a narrow mind? I am all about listening to the other one's needs for him never to feel inferior or stupid. As well, I expect the same. Perhaps in the past I was for sure very narrow minded on that aspect and without realizing it, i sufficed our relationship because I was older than him and once he wanted to think on his own, i could not understand what was happening. A man is a wild being and will always be. Let him feel it and never try to suppress it.
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Aug 27, 2008 6:38 PM CST Don't ever tell her: Yes Dear !
Zazalee
ZazaleeZazaleeSt-Hyacinthe, Quebec Canada1 Threads 26 Posts
I do listen now, more than ever. And is happy for these relationship that works outside of my guidelines or beleaves.

One thing is for sure in my mind, i will never beleave that a man that is dominated by a woman, will never have the urge to let his natural instinct out. And unfortunately, it might be out when his wife is not looking. instead of letting him feel that it is ok and allow him to be confirtable enough to share everything.

How many woman wake up one day and see their perfect couple just gone and they have no clue why? Oh but if you ask them, they will tell you that all was perfect, he was the perfect guy, did everything for her. And for no reason, one day he snapped and wanted to be independant.

I understand that not everyone is like that. But perhaps, in MY environement, my city and my country, alot of man and woman are like that.
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