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Sep 5, 2008 6:36 PM CST A clue?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
irishlass45: you sweet little red head you! it is called sabatoging the realtionship, yes I wear this well, and it fits just fine with me,,,,,,egadds how well you see this, you might want to take note, as of right now I don't know what I am going to do but ginger? he sees these feelings and wants to talk them out! that is what I mean by almost perfect! damn, he has even slipped and said he is in love with me but I want that all out and out feeling from him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is that too much?by the way my character is what he fell in love with because he was asking for a little bit of character to meet his mr. character so I gave him some.

ginger, you are sweet as usual thank you lady irish friend, I am in need tonight. you are truely a sweety


Forget my response..after reading this...Ginger is exactly right...you're analyzing things too much and probably have already what it is you want...just not said and done..in the exact manner you would like it...this is me to T...the closer I get...the more fear that sets in...because I don't like to be vulnerable...and feel like I am opening myself wide just to get hurt...and the more we love...the more we have to lose if it goes away.....it's an uncomfortable place to be in for someone like me but something that will have to be and can be worked out...provided you stop looking to his words and actions the way you want to see and hear them and see as they are....wave wink hug teddybear hug bouquet
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Sep 5, 2008 6:40 PM CST A clue?
KrazieStill
KrazieStillKrazieStillChardon, Ohio USA13 Threads 3,978 Posts
irishlass45: Dammit Barry I don't want to throw this away, how wise would I be as the ranger of county kerry to do that? I am not nuts! just crazy love ya guy, hope you are feeling better


I say the same thing no matter who asks or what the question is (usually). Not suggesting anything hun.
You already know what you're going to do.
I want the same thing you want in a relationship and am very lucky to have it. Anything short of that didn't last very long for me.

Feeling okay, still have the other surgery down the road, working long hours but things are cool. teddybear

He sounds like a really nice guy.


hug
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Sep 5, 2008 6:43 PM CST A clue?
KrazieStill
KrazieStillKrazieStillChardon, Ohio USA13 Threads 3,978 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Forget my response..after reading this...Ginger is exactly right...you're analyzing things too much and probably have already what it is you want...just not said and done..in the exact manner you would like it...this is me to T...the closer I get...the more fear that sets in...because I don't like to be vulnerable...and feel like I am opening myself wide just to get hurt...and the more we love...the more we have to lose if it goes away.....it's an uncomfortable place to be in for someone like me but something that will have to be and can be worked out...provided you stop looking to his words and actions the way you want to see and hear them and see as they are....


Okay, I agree with them. I'm analyzing your analyzing. Don't listen to me. Enjoy the journey. kiss
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Sep 5, 2008 6:49 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Darlin...if there are no fireworks for him and he can't say he is totally and unequivocally in love with you...then yes I would say that is settling...as you said...do want a companion or do you want a partner who loves you...all parts of you....not some character he put together in his mind????I don't get the going back to the place he fell in love part either...I mean helloooooooo there are 2 people in this relationship here not just him....and I would be damned if I would go near anyplace that he fell in love with someone else...I mean even to suggest that,...I think I woulda been packing up my bags and outta there...cause that's a total insult....He shouldn't have to try to do anything...it's either there for him...in all aspects including being in love with you OR it's not!!!!!


ohhhh yes lady shell, i had and have a problem with that, as a matter of fact I am fixing to see if this bar will treat me, am new here in bristol so I don't know how the bars/pubs work, hope they will let me in, this has bothered me, you are so true on this, please, i am getting a little tipsy now, fixing to go try and get english drunk, will be back in a bit if they are closed. love you for what you say because i know you mean well to me, thank you like the others for being there for me, now let me get back to you.......................................thank you for your time wise onehug kiss lips confused right now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i leave tuesday that will make a month of domestically living togetherheart wings dunno damn, must be the irish in me doubting.....................tRrose
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Sep 5, 2008 6:51 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45: If, you mean by the wording here, To go back to the place were

you mam are a very wise woman, I see you here and there, thank you for your opinion, it means a great deal to me, I knew I would get the ones that are good on here and now I have a lot to think on,,,,,mainly stay with it for a while even though I have a time issue, which I do, you take care and thank you so much for your time


You are welcome. I really hope it helps. Thankyou for your kind words about me you made my day. I also see you here and there. You have a good head on your shoulders AND a good innervoice, listen to them. Blessings to you.
Cyndie
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Sep 5, 2008 8:55 PM CST A clue?
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
irishlass45: ohhhh yes lady shell, i had and have a problem with that, as a matter of fact I am fixing to see if this bar will treat me, am new here in bristol so I don't know how the bars/pubs work, hope they will let me in, this has bothered me, you are so true on this, please, i am getting a little tipsy now, fixing to go try and get english drunk, will be back in a bit if they are closed. love you for what you say because i know you mean well to me, thank you like the others for being there for me, now let me get back to you.......................................thank you for your time wise one confused right now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i leave tuesday that will make a month of domestically living together damn, must be the irish in me doubting.....................tR



That's what friends are for darlin...and go get your Englishman plastered and take advantage of him and quit with the doubting...have fun...luv ya.....wave wink hug teddybear hug bouquet beer
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Sep 5, 2008 9:01 PM CST A clue?
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: That's what friends are for darlin...and go get your Englishman plastered and take advantage of him and quit with the doubting...have fun...luv ya.....
Enjoy what you have found, it all was great before you started over analyzing Right!! Be in the moment it with him. Let him and you fall inlove, it takes men longer, but when they do they fall It is strongly. Sounds like just fear is all and you can get past that. Take the chance but tho out the doubts!! Good luck!!applause applause Go Irish!!applause
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Sep 5, 2008 10:33 PM CST A clue?
hollandgirl
hollandgirlhollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada523 Threads 4,464 Posts
irishlass45: Dammit Barry I don't want to throw this away, how wise would I be as the ranger of county kerry to do that? I am not nuts! just crazy love ya guy, hope you are feeling better


I would give anything to have a man treat me the way you say your man does.
Give him time this kind of "demand" your making is sending him away.
If and when he does, you will kick yourself. Men do not think the same as women do! They really are on a different plane when it comes to feelings. They are not in tune with it as much as women are.
You asked him and I am sure he gave you an answer, most likely asking himself why he said what he did.
This kind of questioning confuses a man. He simply does not know!
Not all relationships give you butterflies either.
I had a wonderful marriage my sweetheard never told me he was in love with me and I would never have thought to ask. We loved each other!
We made each other happy what more was there?

Accept his love, he is good to you. Woman enjoy what he offeres you and be happy.
Stop asking if he is is love with you. He LOVES you let that be more than enough.

There are not that many good men around, treasure him, be good to him in return. You will never be sorry to do so.



teddybear
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Sep 5, 2008 10:40 PM CST A clue?
I would just take what ya got and be happy, I mean those days of head over heels are done when you get older.... more of a calculation than anything..

I still love every gf I had but that first one I still think of and know quite abit about her life...

loosen up....hug
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Sep 5, 2008 10:47 PM CST A clue?
hollandgirl
hollandgirlhollandgirlSomewhere in Canada. B.C., British Columbia Canada523 Threads 4,464 Posts
hollandgirl: I would give anything to have a man treat me the way you say your man does.
Give him time this kind of "demand" your making is sending him away.
If and when he does, you will kick yourself. Men do not think the same as women do! They really are on a different plane when it comes to feelings. They are not in tune with it as much as women are.
You asked him and I am sure he gave you an answer, most likely asking himself why he said what he did.
This kind of questioning confuses a man. He simply does not know!
Not all relationships give you butterflies either.
I had a wonderful marriage my sweetheard never told me he was in love with me and I would never have thought to ask. We loved each other!
We made each other happy what more was there?

Accept his love, he is good to you. Woman enjoy what he offeres you and be happy.
Stop asking if he is is love with you. He LOVES you let that be more than enough.

There are not that many good men around, treasure him, be good to him in return. You will never be sorry to do so.


Did you say he wants to talk about this too communicate with you about this, ohhhhhhhhh You are sooo lucky as communication is the key, as long as you can talk about things all is well.
This man loves you that is plain. That to Me is HUGE! Go with it and yes stop analyzing, sometimes analyzers are paralyzers.
Love him back and it will be returned to you as he is already doing now.
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Sep 6, 2008 1:39 AM CST A clue?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
hollandgirl: I would give anything to have a man treat me the way you say your man does.
Give him time this kind of "demand" your making is sending him away.
If and when he does, you will kick yourself. Men do not think the same as women do! They really are on a different plane when it comes to feelings. They are not in tune with it as much as women are.
You asked him and I am sure he gave you an answer, most likely asking himself why he said what he did.
This kind of questioning confuses a man. He simply does not know!

Not all relationships give you butterflies either.
I had a wonderful marriage my sweetheard never told me he was in love with me and I would never have thought to ask. We loved each other!
We made each other happy what more was there?

Accept his love, he is good to you. Woman enjoy what he offeres you and be happy.
Stop asking if he is is love with you. He LOVES you let that be more than enough.

There are not that many good men around, treasure him, be good to him in return. You will never be sorry to do so.



blah blah blah blah blah blah


Sorry R, I couldn't help myself.


Whatever you do, don't give up, don't set a timeline. If it's going as great as you say it is, give it time.hug kiss
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Sep 6, 2008 2:12 AM CST A clue?
HondoLaneNJ
HondoLaneNJHondoLaneNJtoms river, New Jersey USA4 Threads 694 Posts
irishlass45: Been loyal to this Englishman since november, it is going very good, really good, with one exception. That being is this: very odd here now ok? would you expect any different from me? I think not. I came here in April and now I am back in August second visit he even went to Ireland with me in May, we get along very well, we respect each other, and I honestly do believe he loves me, he showers me like I am gold with all things in life, the problem is this, I want my man to be in love with me, he says it has been twenty five years since he was "IN LOVE" that if I were to go back to that place(where he fell in love years ago) maybe he would be "IN LOVE" with me, he calls it childish and says I am never going to be satisfied.......................am I being selfish to want it all? I love my family and my friends but I am not in love with them, there is a difference, and sadly this is going to hold me back I am afraid, I want it all, I want to be loved and I want my man to be IN LOVE with me, am I wrong? we could be good, very good companions in life, this I know but....................the one factor is missing out of my formula and that means a lot. He has even went so far as to let it slip he is in love with my character and that is what he fell for to start with,,,,am confused, am I being childish wanting this? or should I settle? I don't think I can to be honest. Nice replies are welcomed otherwise don't comment please.


You seem sweet: but I have to say the hard thing....

If you have to ask....move on. Unless you are willing to settle.
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Sep 6, 2008 2:56 AM CST A clue?
DizzyDi
DizzyDiDizzyDiLancashire, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 1,761 Posts
Read the book "feel the fear and do it anyway" by susan jeffers, quit feeling that this bloke is not IN LOVE with you, He may know/not know how you are feeling,
if he as you say showers you and makes you feel like gold, then indeed he has feelings for you,
To want a man to be "IN LOVE" with you, the way as you see it may never come (SORRY)
Would not go to the place he fell in love the first time, as that sounds like a cliche (he knows what he wants) but you have to come up to scratch first!
If he wants you (sounds like he does) and you want him? then go for it, know it is scary having a time line, but how would you feel if there was IF'S and BUT'S everywhere ? no one would take a riskteddybear

p.s Hope He is not on here and reads your concerns handshake
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Sep 6, 2008 3:30 AM CST A clue?
DizzyDi
DizzyDiDizzyDiLancashire, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 1,761 Posts
Honestly,
I would not tell anyone to "settle" if the fealings was not right!

neither would I!

If she is waiting for the Hollywood film style "in love" she may be waiting all her life

Thats what I was trying to sayfrustrated
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Sep 6, 2008 3:39 AM CST A clue?
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
R

I am going to really simple about this.

Just go with the relationship and let him love your character, because that is YOU.
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Sep 8, 2008 5:12 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
I thank ya'll for your help and input, really for taking the time out, it did help knowing others care, I have done some research on this matter of "Being in love" and nobody seems to know, wtf! so it left me thinking that it is a personal feeling of how one feels, and how they share those feelings, I have found one article of interest that might come close to it so here it goes and only read when you have time as this is very interesting for those of us that don't know what the other is thinking when we want them to be in love with us:


How do we "know" when we've found love.....how do we define this emotion that we would trudge over mountains to reach? We even sometimes trash perfectly good relationships in the hopes of finding more of it. Some people even spend the majority of their time thinking about, striving-praying-hoping for and yes, even seeing psychics for predictions of when it will FINALLY be their turn at the love wheel.

After having spent years helping people decipher their relationships, I've decided the best way to understand love is to break it down into small, more manageable parts and examine the components of what it is we are all so desperately seeking.

Let's begin with the question of "How do we know for certain that we have it?" Is it when we experience that initial rush of lust and excitement, the butterflies-in-our-stomach feeling that happens just at the mere sound of our lover's voice? But alas, we know that can't be it as that feeling never seems to last very long. Then we wonder, when that feeling ends, are we out of love?

If not, then why does this great feeling have to end? Have we quit trying; quit putting in the effort to keep the energy positive in our relationships? Or, is love a little like everything else in our lives and it's supposed to relax into a nice comfortable place for us to be. A place that while secure and safe no longer seems to be supplying those initial feelings that we have become so addicted to.


Does love grow with age and change with maturity much the same as we do? Or, should it always leave us wanting more? Many people would opt for the latter.

I believe that in a "perfect" world we would find our "soul mate" and fall helplessly in love with them and always be absolutely certain that he or she is the ideal person that perfectly compliments our life. Unfortunately, this isn’t a perfect world.

So what then? Do we settle? And if we do settle for less than what we think is possible in a relationship, will we miss out on our soul mate? Would he or she have been the next person we met? You know what I'm talking about, the "what if" game.....what if I'd waited for the next person...what if I settled for something less than what I could have had....what if I'm not "in love" with the person I'm with, but rather I just love them...you know the "like a brother or sister" thing.

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Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
Yet on the other hand, if we don't settle we worry that we will let someone leave our lives that possibly were meant to be our partner, but simply failed to either set off the fireworks we had expected, or the fireworks stopped all too sudden?

Think back to your first "real" love; the one that made you feel complete and whole just being in their presence. The one that you never questioned was the right one for you because you simply "knew" they were. Very likely this is the one who started this whole fireworks thing. This is the one who set our expectations so high.


I do believe that our first real love is always the most potent. It consumes us and everything else in its way, and it is G-L-O-R-I-O-U-S........no doubt about it. Yet with it usually comes that first heartache, and how gut-wrenching and life consuming is that? This is the time that I believe is the beginning of the end of our loving in a natural and unencumbered way.


This first heartbreak changes us. We, at the very core of ourselves have just experienced something so deeply profound through this experience that we can't help but become altered to one degree or another. When you think about, it's not really that different than any other life experience, in that we are changed in the end because of having experienced it all.


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Sep 8, 2008 5:18 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
So as we continue to look for that same feeling in a new love, we can't find it because the way in which we give and receive love has been altered permanently. I believe that even if the "perfect" person were to stumble upon us, we couldn't love them like we loved the first time, because we are now different people, who love in a very different way.


Does that mean we love our new love any less? I don't believe so. We just love them differently. Just because it doesn't feel as powerful, doesn't mean it isn't. Perhaps through the wisdom of our first love we learn that we would rather love long-ly, than completely. And perhaps we are more hesitant in the beginning, and we can't be as vulnerable and open as we were with the first love, which means we can't feel the same intensity as we did then. It's just no longer coded within us.

I believe that the earth is constructed as a wonderful teaching planet precisely because of the emotional range that is possible here; thus, through experience and maturity our emotional range changes too. Not because we want it to necessarily, but because it also ages and matures with our experiences.

So we have to learn that our definition of love has changed, and we must adjust our previous thoughts of how love would feel in order to ever really love someone again.

As far as holding out for that perfect person goes, I don't really believe that there is only one perfect person, one "soul mate" so to speak. Instead, I believe there are many potential people who will enter our lives that we may choose to love and build a relationship with, but it is always up to us if we do so. Fate and Destiny will provide the opportunity, perhaps even the initial encounter, but the outcome is always our choice.

The idea of a "soul mate" coming to rescue us from our hum-drum life is tempting and exciting, but doubtful at best. Besides who wants to be rescued from their life, their lessons and their growth? What kind of life would that be?


I also believe that at when you leave your current relationship in search of this perfect other, that you very well will come across another one. In fact, I believe there is always someone else out there for you. But don't fool yourself; everyone comes with their own karma, strengths and weaknesses. We all have a little baggage in tow. No one is really your White Knight unless you believe that they are.

Yet at the same time, I know that if you stay with someone simply for security and familiarity, then you may always feel like you have settled for less than what you could have had. And in all reality, you may have. But I know for certain that if you feel like you have settled, then you will live the rest of your life feeling like you have settled, and that's no way to live.

My idea of a "good" relationship is one in which it begins by your loving each other. Too many people pick apart their love by trying to categorize it or by constantly internally questioning am I "in love" or do I just love them? My belief is that if you love someone, then you love them.....period.

......................................sorry but all of this must be said
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Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM CST A clue?
irishlass45
irishlass45irishlass45Texas USA, Texas USA52 Threads 5 Polls 4,579 Posts
The fancy whistles and lights are so much less than they are cracked up to be, and in truth, are probably nothing more than your hormones going a little wacky. And that won't last, this we know for sure. In fact, if those initial feelings did last, I think it would eventually kill us all. Our bodies aren't equipped to handle so much adrenaline for very long. Or, at the very least we would completely burn out on the thought of being in love, as the burden of always be overwhelmed and out-of-control would be far too much for anyone to carry.

In my opinion, a good relationship is comprised of a few very simple ingredients. Those being as follows; I believe if you love someone, if you respect them as a human being and how they try to live their lives, if when you think of "home" you think of them.....and as Dr. Phil might say, when you need a soft place to fall, you know they'll try their best to be that for you. Then, you just might be onto something valuable.

I believe love grows more full bodied (no pun intended) and deeply soulful with age. And that a love that can endure hardships of any kind and keep on running, even when you are not diligently steering the wheel, is a good love.

While we are here on this earth we need someone to help us through our difficult times, and so many loves fall apart during those very times. So when you find one that doesn't, you just might want to hang onto it.

Love is a state of mind. It is a commitment you make to always try to love that person, regardless of whether they are experiencing their high times or their low. It is as strong as steel, as reliable as the setting sun, and as deeply responsive as you choose to make it. It is special, a gift and a blessing.

Yet with all that said, love does end sometimes. I believe that divorce is not always the only option, but sometimes it is necessary. I believe there are times that we are put here to be with a certain person, but only for a while. Then, when the lesson they have come to teach us is learned, or the karma repaid, we may need to move on. Only you can know this, but try to be honest with yourself. Don't allow yourself to upset the apple cart just because the grass may be greener somewhere else. Quite often that's only an illusion anyway.


I have found that when divorce is really necessary, I know it. I don't think it or have to debate it....I KNOW the relationship is over because I don't love that person any more. I care for them and wish them the very best in life, but I can feel with absolute certainty that it's time to move on. I believe love is honest in that way.

I've found that the lasting loves are the ones that just keep on going and allow you to focus on other goals and areas of learning, while remaining deeply supportive and protective.
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Sep 8, 2008 5:36 PM CST A clue?
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
I think R when we are younger and inexperienced we lay our heart out there freely. As we experience life more, feel hurt from love, we naturally build a bit of a wall around our heart to protect it a little bit.

Maybe in some ways we become resilient to certain hurts and feelings also. Gosh R to say he is in love with your character is a compliment in my opinion, who are we without our characters? our character is what makes us the individual unique person.

I think as we get older we do over analyze love, what is love? ones person idea of love could be very different from the next person.

I look at love now along the same lines as I look at respect, caring, affection etc all this combined makes up love. Love can come in so many different forms.

I think we all fall for someones character in the beginning.............and Love takes time, its all the memories you share the things you do together and for each other that builds Love over a period of time.

I also think as we get older we learn not to take Love for granted, we learn to cherish it, hold onto it and never want to let it go. 'Love' and 'in Love' Ive never really understood that one, but most of all Love can't happen it just is.

When we look at our partner do we say 'I love you' or are we mean't to say 'I'm in love with you' again you can love so many aspects of your partner, you don't have to be in love with those aspects just adore them.hug bouquet wine
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