Should we in the rest of the world be scared of USA? (765)
Kevint: OKAY So I bent history a little and isn't that now disputed
Well, there was Leif Erikson.......or was that Eric Erikson? Hell, I forget....
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Indyfella: Ya just had to go there........didn't ya? I thought I could slide on that one.
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Indyfella: .....and if you'd just kept your mouth shut....
Is my picture not showing? Do you not see my gender?
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jlb684: Is my picture not showing? Do you not see my gender?
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Any questions?
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Indyfella: :throttle back emoticon:
:Takin your land emotion:... I mean ours...I can't be greedy....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: No...do you ever talk to the people living on American small patches of land called reserves who are being screwed out of all their own natural resources by the American government while they live in poverty...well guess what...I talk to and read about it all the time...being wlilfully blind doesn't make it not so!!!!Just a typical denial...like I said before...just how many will admit it..while slamming and putting other countries down for the same thing...
Man! talk about holding a a grudge. Willfully blind? Get a grip woman!
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
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Oh and that brings up another point, who shot Lennon
Okay not going there, I need some sleep, nite folks
Okay not going there, I need some sleep, nite folks
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Hugz_n_Kissez: :Takin your land emotion:... I mean ours...I can't be greedy....
:throttle back on the wine:
:take the straw out of the bottle emoticon:
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Kevint: Oh and that brings up another point, who shot LennonOkay not going there, I need some sleep, nite folks
A bushney.
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What Is America?
Politicians love to tell us how special America is. But what is it that's special?
It can't be the scenery - the "purple mountain majesties" or "thy rocks and rills." Dozens of countries have beautiful scenery.
It can't be the people. Citizens of other countries can be just as generous, courteous, fun-loving, or anything-you-might-want.
It can't be bravery. People have fought and died for their countries since the beginning of history.
And yet, there most certainly is - or was - something singular about America. What was it?
In my view, America's uniqueness rested on three pillars.
The Bill of Rights
The first is the concept that government is limited to a few specific, clearly defined functions. The Bill of Rights makes this clear. The 9th and 10th amendments specify that the federal government may not do anything that isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
And to drive that home, the Bill of Rights specifically guarantees your freedom to speak, worship, write, assemble, protest, or protect yourself. There are no exceptions allowed - even when the politicians claim to have a "compelling interest" in limiting your liberty.
Before America, no country was ever governed by such a document. It put government in a small, confined compartment.
Voluntary Association
The Bill of Rights frees you to engage in any kind of activity you want with consenting adults, provided you don't forcibly impose upon the person or property of others.
Mark Skousen has said, "The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society."
The American way was for commerce, personal relationships, and religion to be voluntary. No one was forced to participate in something he didn't want.
So an individual could better his life - not by appealing to government force, but by offering other people incentives to do business with him.
Civilization reached a new high by the maximum reliance on voluntary persuasion and the minimum reliance on government coercion.
The Free Market
Voluntary association produces the free market - where each person can choose among a multitude of possibilities.
The free market empowers the most effective regulator in the world - you.
You don't have to deal with a company you don't like. You don't have to buy something if you don't want it - or if the price is too high - or if you aren't sure the product is safe. The seller must satisfy you that he has what you want at a price you're willing to pay.
With tens of millions of individual regulators like you, companies are pressured to provide what people want and need in the real world - not what bureaucrats think would be best in a utopian world. In the free market, you are the King because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want.
The free market brought us the greatest prosperity the world has ever known - the easiest road to escape from poverty, the widest distribution of goods and services, the wealth that permits lavish generosity.
What Is America Today?
Unfortunately, all three pillars of that unique America have been torn down.
The Bill of Rights is now overruled by nine judges and ignored daily by politicians and bureaucrats.
Voluntary association has been replaced by the government's forcible imposition of discrimination laws, monopoly suppliers, and subsidies financed with money confiscated from you.
You've been replaced as the regulator of the free market by people like Teddy Kennedy and George Bush. Now companies have to please Washington before they can even think about pleasing you.
(con't)
Politicians love to tell us how special America is. But what is it that's special?
It can't be the scenery - the "purple mountain majesties" or "thy rocks and rills." Dozens of countries have beautiful scenery.
It can't be the people. Citizens of other countries can be just as generous, courteous, fun-loving, or anything-you-might-want.
It can't be bravery. People have fought and died for their countries since the beginning of history.
And yet, there most certainly is - or was - something singular about America. What was it?
In my view, America's uniqueness rested on three pillars.
The Bill of Rights
The first is the concept that government is limited to a few specific, clearly defined functions. The Bill of Rights makes this clear. The 9th and 10th amendments specify that the federal government may not do anything that isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
And to drive that home, the Bill of Rights specifically guarantees your freedom to speak, worship, write, assemble, protest, or protect yourself. There are no exceptions allowed - even when the politicians claim to have a "compelling interest" in limiting your liberty.
Before America, no country was ever governed by such a document. It put government in a small, confined compartment.
Voluntary Association
The Bill of Rights frees you to engage in any kind of activity you want with consenting adults, provided you don't forcibly impose upon the person or property of others.
Mark Skousen has said, "The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society."
The American way was for commerce, personal relationships, and religion to be voluntary. No one was forced to participate in something he didn't want.
So an individual could better his life - not by appealing to government force, but by offering other people incentives to do business with him.
Civilization reached a new high by the maximum reliance on voluntary persuasion and the minimum reliance on government coercion.
The Free Market
Voluntary association produces the free market - where each person can choose among a multitude of possibilities.
The free market empowers the most effective regulator in the world - you.
You don't have to deal with a company you don't like. You don't have to buy something if you don't want it - or if the price is too high - or if you aren't sure the product is safe. The seller must satisfy you that he has what you want at a price you're willing to pay.
With tens of millions of individual regulators like you, companies are pressured to provide what people want and need in the real world - not what bureaucrats think would be best in a utopian world. In the free market, you are the King because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want.
The free market brought us the greatest prosperity the world has ever known - the easiest road to escape from poverty, the widest distribution of goods and services, the wealth that permits lavish generosity.
What Is America Today?
Unfortunately, all three pillars of that unique America have been torn down.
The Bill of Rights is now overruled by nine judges and ignored daily by politicians and bureaucrats.
Voluntary association has been replaced by the government's forcible imposition of discrimination laws, monopoly suppliers, and subsidies financed with money confiscated from you.
You've been replaced as the regulator of the free market by people like Teddy Kennedy and George Bush. Now companies have to please Washington before they can even think about pleasing you.
(con't)
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tampa1: Man! talk about holding a a grudge. Willfully blind? Get a grip woman!
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
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The Revolution Is Over
Those who say we could lose America are looking in the wrong direction. We've already lost it.
Those who think immigrants will change America overlook the changes already in place. Our government, taxes, and ideas of freedom are already duplicates of the Old World. Our politicians determine how we should live our lives - and our individual liberties are sacrificed for the benefit of the Fatherland. What is unique that's left to lose?
Those who fear a "loss of American sovereignty" to international agencies don't realize how little such agencies could bring about that we don't already have. Are they afraid someone will impose coercive health-care regulation on us? Or government schooling? Or regulations dictating the size of your toilet? What could happen that our own government hasn't already done?
What to Do
If you devote yourself to fighting against the latest political proposal, you may be wasting your time.
The growth of government is inevitable because the major issue has already been decided: there is no longer an America of tiny government, voluntary association, and the free market. So the only arguments now are over how the politicians will run our lives - the Republican way or the Democratic way.
Our one hope is to persuade our fellow Americans that a return to the Bill of Rights could bring us much smaller government, much greater personal income, access to more low-cost products and services, and the freedom to live your own life as you think best - not as the President or Congress wants.
Every battle is trivial compared to the fight to restore that unique America.
~ Harry Browne
Those who say we could lose America are looking in the wrong direction. We've already lost it.
Those who think immigrants will change America overlook the changes already in place. Our government, taxes, and ideas of freedom are already duplicates of the Old World. Our politicians determine how we should live our lives - and our individual liberties are sacrificed for the benefit of the Fatherland. What is unique that's left to lose?
Those who fear a "loss of American sovereignty" to international agencies don't realize how little such agencies could bring about that we don't already have. Are they afraid someone will impose coercive health-care regulation on us? Or government schooling? Or regulations dictating the size of your toilet? What could happen that our own government hasn't already done?
What to Do
If you devote yourself to fighting against the latest political proposal, you may be wasting your time.
The growth of government is inevitable because the major issue has already been decided: there is no longer an America of tiny government, voluntary association, and the free market. So the only arguments now are over how the politicians will run our lives - the Republican way or the Democratic way.
Our one hope is to persuade our fellow Americans that a return to the Bill of Rights could bring us much smaller government, much greater personal income, access to more low-cost products and services, and the freedom to live your own life as you think best - not as the President or Congress wants.
Every battle is trivial compared to the fight to restore that unique America.
~ Harry Browne
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BarrenPneuma: What Is America?
Politicians love to tell us how special America is. But what is it that's special?
It can't be the scenery - the "purple mountain majesties" or "thy rocks and rills." Dozens of countries have beautiful scenery.
It can't be the people. Citizens of other countries can be just as generous, courteous, fun-loving, or anything-you-might-want.
It can't be bravery. People have fought and died for their countries since the beginning of history.
And yet, there most certainly is - or was - something singular about America. What was it?
In my view, America's uniqueness rested on three pillars.
The Bill of Rights
The first is the concept that government is limited to a few specific, clearly defined functions. The Bill of Rights makes this clear. The 9th and 10th amendments specify that the federal government may not do anything that isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
And to drive that home, the Bill of Rights specifically guarantees your freedom to speak, worship, write, assemble, protest, or protect yourself. There are no exceptions allowed - even when the politicians claim to have a "compelling interest" in limiting your liberty.
Before America, no country was ever governed by such a document. It put government in a small, confined compartment.
Voluntary Association
The Bill of Rights frees you to engage in any kind of activity you want with consenting adults, provided you don't forcibly impose upon the person or property of others.
Mark Skousen has said, "The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society."
The American way was for commerce, personal relationships, and religion to be voluntary. No one was forced to participate in something he didn't want.
So an individual could better his life - not by appealing to government force, but by offering other people incentives to do business with him.
Civilization reached a new high by the maximum reliance on voluntary persuasion and the minimum reliance on government coercion.
The Free Market
Voluntary association produces the free market - where each person can choose among a multitude of possibilities.
The free market empowers the most effective regulator in the world - you.
You don't have to deal with a company you don't like. You don't have to buy something if you don't want it - or if the price is too high - or if you aren't sure the product is safe. The seller must satisfy you that he has what you want at a price you're willing to pay.
With tens of millions of individual regulators like you, companies are pressured to provide what people want and need in the real world - not what bureaucrats think would be best in a utopian world. In the free market, you are the King because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want.
The free market brought us the greatest prosperity the world has ever known - the easiest road to escape from poverty, the widest distribution of goods and services, the wealth that permits lavish generosity.
What Is America Today?
Unfortunately, all three pillars of that unique America have been torn down.
The Bill of Rights is now overruled by nine judges and ignored daily by politicians and bureaucrats.
Voluntary association has been replaced by the government's forcible imposition of discrimination laws, monopoly suppliers, and subsidies financed with money confiscated from you.
You've been replaced as the regulator of the free market by people like Teddy Kennedy and George Bush. Now companies have to please Washington before they can even think about pleasing you.(con't)
Politicians love to tell us how special America is. But what is it that's special?
It can't be the scenery - the "purple mountain majesties" or "thy rocks and rills." Dozens of countries have beautiful scenery.
It can't be the people. Citizens of other countries can be just as generous, courteous, fun-loving, or anything-you-might-want.
It can't be bravery. People have fought and died for their countries since the beginning of history.
And yet, there most certainly is - or was - something singular about America. What was it?
In my view, America's uniqueness rested on three pillars.
The Bill of Rights
The first is the concept that government is limited to a few specific, clearly defined functions. The Bill of Rights makes this clear. The 9th and 10th amendments specify that the federal government may not do anything that isn't spelled out in the Constitution.
And to drive that home, the Bill of Rights specifically guarantees your freedom to speak, worship, write, assemble, protest, or protect yourself. There are no exceptions allowed - even when the politicians claim to have a "compelling interest" in limiting your liberty.
Before America, no country was ever governed by such a document. It put government in a small, confined compartment.
Voluntary Association
The Bill of Rights frees you to engage in any kind of activity you want with consenting adults, provided you don't forcibly impose upon the person or property of others.
Mark Skousen has said, "The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society."
The American way was for commerce, personal relationships, and religion to be voluntary. No one was forced to participate in something he didn't want.
So an individual could better his life - not by appealing to government force, but by offering other people incentives to do business with him.
Civilization reached a new high by the maximum reliance on voluntary persuasion and the minimum reliance on government coercion.
The Free Market
Voluntary association produces the free market - where each person can choose among a multitude of possibilities.
The free market empowers the most effective regulator in the world - you.
You don't have to deal with a company you don't like. You don't have to buy something if you don't want it - or if the price is too high - or if you aren't sure the product is safe. The seller must satisfy you that he has what you want at a price you're willing to pay.
With tens of millions of individual regulators like you, companies are pressured to provide what people want and need in the real world - not what bureaucrats think would be best in a utopian world. In the free market, you are the King because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want.
The free market brought us the greatest prosperity the world has ever known - the easiest road to escape from poverty, the widest distribution of goods and services, the wealth that permits lavish generosity.
What Is America Today?
Unfortunately, all three pillars of that unique America have been torn down.
The Bill of Rights is now overruled by nine judges and ignored daily by politicians and bureaucrats.
Voluntary association has been replaced by the government's forcible imposition of discrimination laws, monopoly suppliers, and subsidies financed with money confiscated from you.
You've been replaced as the regulator of the free market by people like Teddy Kennedy and George Bush. Now companies have to please Washington before they can even think about pleasing you.(con't)
I'm loving it so far.....
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I think it's safer to go hang out on the Rhode Island thread. 
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tampa1: Man! talk about holding a a grudge. Willfully blind? Get a grip woman!
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
yep...and if this country ,and canada, was left to the natives...they would still be living in wigwams and teepees and still having tribel wars over whos land was whos...we did'nt have to step in to mess anything up thereAnd yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
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tampa1: Man! talk about holding a a grudge. Willfully blind? Get a grip woman!
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
And yes the past is the past, imagine if we could all change history certainly the rest of us can't, I don't see why the native American should be able to.. The fact that I was born in Canada as were my parents, makes me every bit as native as you.......I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing your whining posts on how the natives should own everything and the rest of us should go jump in the lake. It is the Canadian and American people as a whole who made this continent what it is today. Get over it, why don't you start by being part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
Yeah...well guess what...that's just the way things are...when someone has something and you take it...chances are...you're gonna want it back...so why should that be ok for everyone else except people who held the land first on the North American Continent...do you just let if go when someone steals something or yours...No I didn't think so...I bet you wouldn't even more so if those things were entrenched in treaties and laws made by your own government...and no you aren't just as Native as me...I am Aboriginal...that means the first peoples anyone else is an immigrant...sorry that's just the way it is...and I am just as tired of f'n white superiority that says yes...please uphold the laws in my favour...but everyone else screw them....including the peoples whose lands we took illegally...but god damnit...if I have my money or car stolen...you better damn well get right on it....So ya see I get sick too...of the double standards in so called Canadian society.....
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Don't stop now BP... you're on a roll!
Seriously, great stuff here...
Seriously, great stuff here...
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Yeah...well guess what...that's just the way things are...when someone has something and you take it...chances are...you're gonna want it back...so why should that be ok for everyone else except people who held the land first on the North American Continent...do you just let if go when someone steals something or yours...No I didn't think so...I bet you wouldn't even more so if those things were entrenched in treaties and laws made by your own government...and no you aren't just as Native as me...I am Aboriginal...that means the first peoples anyone else is an immigrant...sorry that's just the way it is...and I am just as tired of f'n white superiority that says yes...please uphold the laws in my favour...but everyone else screw them....including the peoples whose lands we took illegally...but god damnit...if I have my money or car stolen...you better damn well get right on it....So ya see I get sick too...of the double standards in so called Canadian society.....
Like a bumper sticker I once saw: "Ask an Indian if you can trust the federal government." It spoke volumes in a lot of ways.
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The world and all of its countries are made up of individuals. Amongst any such collective, called nation or ethnicity, or any form of subform strata of humanity there are multitudes of decent people. Likewise there are those who are not quite so proper nor respectful of others. And of course there are monsters in all lands in the guise of humans.
What a specific country does or fails to do is not truly in the hands of those it represents. Much like Unions in the work force they have become far too large to have any real connection to the common man (or woman) of the entity they represent. Sure the ruling masses are a necessary evil to allow some sort of unification to mature but once they are done with the inception the positions they hold should be turned back to those by whom this power was granted. When the wages of a corporation become too top heavy to manage the people who rely on the products or services have to foot the newly raised bill until it collapses on them.
The people herein (as in this particular arguement- for lack of a better word) are defending themselves in a misguided way that attibutes this defense to their govenment. There are no individuals here that are responsible for the attrocities that any other person has faced, regardless of their nation. Try to change your own currency alone. Try to chage a single law alone. Not possible. Gather together and face your government to force them to the will of the people and you will be branded outlaw and likely imprisoned for revolution. Succeed and there will be change. If we stand against each other as humans who is left to oppose the leaders who incite such fury within and toward?
What a specific country does or fails to do is not truly in the hands of those it represents. Much like Unions in the work force they have become far too large to have any real connection to the common man (or woman) of the entity they represent. Sure the ruling masses are a necessary evil to allow some sort of unification to mature but once they are done with the inception the positions they hold should be turned back to those by whom this power was granted. When the wages of a corporation become too top heavy to manage the people who rely on the products or services have to foot the newly raised bill until it collapses on them.
The people herein (as in this particular arguement- for lack of a better word) are defending themselves in a misguided way that attibutes this defense to their govenment. There are no individuals here that are responsible for the attrocities that any other person has faced, regardless of their nation. Try to change your own currency alone. Try to chage a single law alone. Not possible. Gather together and face your government to force them to the will of the people and you will be branded outlaw and likely imprisoned for revolution. Succeed and there will be change. If we stand against each other as humans who is left to oppose the leaders who incite such fury within and toward?
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.....and if you'd just kept your mouth shut....