Should we in the rest of the world be scared of USA? (765)
Just to make it clear, I;m not trying to disrespect any nationality.
I'm trying to make a point that it is hard to unscrable eggs. The past is the past. We are a melting pot now and need to realize it. I don't think getting angry about past events is helpful. It is good to get involved, but anger never solves anything.
I'm trying to make a point that it is hard to unscrable eggs. The past is the past. We are a melting pot now and need to realize it. I don't think getting angry about past events is helpful. It is good to get involved, but anger never solves anything.
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And you are relying on a corrupt government to make it good? Good luck.
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I'm not really clued up on how to do this - but thanks to Pietro - a bit angry sounding yes but all the bunny hugging in the forums can be a bit nauseating - i'll enjoy reading all the replies - some intelligent debating never hurt anybody.
I do think - hope - that Obama will change things for the better though.
I do think - hope - that Obama will change things for the better though.
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FreedomLover: laws of the day. You mean 200 years ago. Good grief, get over it. You guys lost, and the treaties are not worth the paper they were written on. Well, what about the African American, they also have a claim. They were a big contributor in making the USA what it is today. They feel they should be paid back as well. Don't forget the Chinese. They also shold be paid back as well for being put in camps durning the war. The list could go on.
My kind of person. man or woman....
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I hope you don't mind standing in a long line, but it seems a lot of people have claims.
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atomant: Well, I guess that is your choice, a sad one, but its yours. As much as any government is willing to apologise and to give back, Canada and the land around it will never be the sovereign nation of your people again. It would be just as brutal and horrific for it to be taken from the new immigrants who have chosen to make Canada their home, not to mention the people who are Canadian born and bred. This is the same for the Maori in New Zealand, our government has settled huge treaty claims and are still in the process of settling many more, but NZ will never be a Maori sovereign state ever again. The only thing that can happen and should happen is the rebuilding of the culture and pride in it and the acceptance into the melting pot that is NZ.
We are all immigrants if you look back far enough, we have all come from different places and if you will pardon me using an old Native American saying "The land, the water, the sky cannot be owned by anyone, we are merely caretakers".Something to that effect, you'll have to forgive me if I am a little inaccurate.
We belong where we stand and only until we move. We are responsible for the welfare of the land as it how we live, but we can not own it!
This may sound a little trite, but I believe it is eloquent and correct.
Whether you are conceived there, or came on a boat, plane, train. If your history with the land is wrapped in thousands of years of tradition or in a land somewhere else, where you live is your responsibility and so your rightful place.
We are all immigrants if you look back far enough, we have all come from different places and if you will pardon me using an old Native American saying "The land, the water, the sky cannot be owned by anyone, we are merely caretakers".Something to that effect, you'll have to forgive me if I am a little inaccurate.
We belong where we stand and only until we move. We are responsible for the welfare of the land as it how we live, but we can not own it!
This may sound a little trite, but I believe it is eloquent and correct.
Whether you are conceived there, or came on a boat, plane, train. If your history with the land is wrapped in thousands of years of tradition or in a land somewhere else, where you live is your responsibility and so your rightful place.
A very good post. Thank you. If the land had, at one time, belonged to an indiginous population one could argue that they'd only been duped to signing away their 'birthright' to western immigrants. I do believe that many native people who were hunter gatherers didn't believe in land ownership anyway......... I like the fact that we should be caretakers; however nobody in their right mind would invest in making a 'permanent' building like a house if they believed somebody else could just come along and tear it down because they felt like it.
I really do believe there are too many of us; if there were far fewer people there would be no need to feel insecure about 'our' land as there would be plenty to go around (even near 'prime' waterholes and hunting grounds etc).
The mere fact that we are intelligent enough to mould our environment to a greater extent than any other of life on earth is our own undoing.
We are intelligent enough to change the course of nature's rivers and the landscape - but are we intelligent enough to do it in a way that allows us to live in harmony?
It's a question that is beginning to concentrate our collective minds more and more.
The traditional solution of mass destruction through warfare becomes less and less attractive to more and more people.... most of us want it all - a reasonable standard of living and a secure future AND peace on earth.
Is it possible to have all these things?
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FreedomLover: I hope you don't mind standing in a long line, but it seems a lot of people have claims.
No kidding and just why do you think that is???? Just for the hell of it????
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Who Were The First Americans?Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
September 3, 2003
A study of skulls excavated from the tip of Baja California in Mexico suggests that the first Americans may not have been the ancestors of today's Amerindians, but another people who came from Southeast Asia and the southern Pacific area.
So, perhaps now the Indians should give it back.
for National Geographic News
September 3, 2003
A study of skulls excavated from the tip of Baja California in Mexico suggests that the first Americans may not have been the ancestors of today's Amerindians, but another people who came from Southeast Asia and the southern Pacific area.
So, perhaps now the Indians should give it back.
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PietroPaoloV: Well, they, USA, bothered to come into the WWII only when they were bombed by Japan 1941, and before that, they made business with both Germany, and war-torn England who they didn’t sponsor by any means, instead sell as much as possible, with interest. England, the proper saviors of Europe, together with them Russians! Where the bloody hell were these US supposed saviors of Europe in 1939, when the war started, and where were they in 1940? It's not a fu**ing fortnight we speak of here.
To continue, only one country, only one, has dropped the bomb, twice. On both occasions, it was not necessary to make it one..
So shove it up yours with your bloody smart act!
There is no country more feared in the world at this point, than the USA.
You know why?
Not because of its military strength.
We piss on that military parade.
Jesus, if people still think that it’s because it’s military might, they need to be knocked over the head with a comet.
USA has tried to invade poverty like Viet-Nam, Afghanistan, Korea, and smurfs have shown more results.
No, the fear USA know it holds in it palms, is that it can nuke anyone, and is willing to do so. They have done it once, oh, wait, twice…. so….
I fear the fact that still to this day so many Americans find it a treat to admire, something to be mighty proud about, when it’s the FU**ING same thing old James Bond movie plots were built around, with a cold war Soviet regime threatening the world with nukes aimed against America.
It’s all insane!
To continue, only one country, only one, has dropped the bomb, twice. On both occasions, it was not necessary to make it one..
So shove it up yours with your bloody smart act!
There is no country more feared in the world at this point, than the USA.
You know why?
Not because of its military strength.
We piss on that military parade.
Jesus, if people still think that it’s because it’s military might, they need to be knocked over the head with a comet.
USA has tried to invade poverty like Viet-Nam, Afghanistan, Korea, and smurfs have shown more results.
No, the fear USA know it holds in it palms, is that it can nuke anyone, and is willing to do so. They have done it once, oh, wait, twice…. so….
I fear the fact that still to this day so many Americans find it a treat to admire, something to be mighty proud about, when it’s the FU**ING same thing old James Bond movie plots were built around, with a cold war Soviet regime threatening the world with nukes aimed against America.
It’s all insane!
I have read a lot of your post in many threads,
Always thought you were level headed and cool.. I am so disappointed
that you have gone so far out of your way to prove me wrong in how I saw you. as I am sure many others are surprised as well.
has us fooled for a while.
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FreedomLover: Who Were The First Americans?Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
September 3, 2003
A study of skulls excavated from the tip of Baja California in Mexico suggests that the first Americans may not have been the ancestors of today's Amerindians, but another people who came from Southeast Asia and the southern Pacific area.
So, perhaps now the Indians should give it back.
for National Geographic News
September 3, 2003
A study of skulls excavated from the tip of Baja California in Mexico suggests that the first Americans may not have been the ancestors of today's Amerindians, but another people who came from Southeast Asia and the southern Pacific area.
So, perhaps now the Indians should give it back.
Yeah ok....geeze I guess they skipped the thousands of Indians that were killed of by the Europeans for their land....I don't know how they coulda missed them....
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rasgumby: I have read a lot of your post in many threads,
Always thought you were level headed and cool.. I am so disappointed
that you have gone so far out of your way to prove me wrong in how I saw you. as I am sure many others are surprised as well.
has us fooled for a while.
Always thought you were level headed and cool.. I am so disappointed
that you have gone so far out of your way to prove me wrong in how I saw you. as I am sure many others are surprised as well.
has us fooled for a while.
Had
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rusty_knight: A very good post. Thank you. If the land had, at one time, belonged to an indiginous population one could argue that they'd only been duped to signing away their 'birthright' to western immigrants. I do believe that many native people who were hunter gatherers didn't believe in land ownership anyway......... I like the fact that we should be caretakers; however nobody in their right mind would invest in making a 'permanent' building like a house if they believed somebody else could just come along and tear it down because they felt like it.
I really do believe there are too many of us; if there were far fewer people there would be no need to feel insecure about 'our' land as there would be plenty to go around (even near 'prime' waterholes and hunting grounds etc).
The mere fact that we are intelligent enough to mould our environment to a greater extent than any other of life on earth is our own undoing.
We are intelligent enough to change the course of nature's rivers and the landscape - but are we intelligent enough to do it in a way that allows us to live in harmony?
It's a question that is beginning to concentrate our collective minds more and more.
The traditional solution of mass destruction through warfare becomes less and less attractive to more and more people.... most of us want it all - a reasonable standard of living and a secure future AND peace on earth.
Is it possible to have all these things?
I really do believe there are too many of us; if there were far fewer people there would be no need to feel insecure about 'our' land as there would be plenty to go around (even near 'prime' waterholes and hunting grounds etc).
The mere fact that we are intelligent enough to mould our environment to a greater extent than any other of life on earth is our own undoing.
We are intelligent enough to change the course of nature's rivers and the landscape - but are we intelligent enough to do it in a way that allows us to live in harmony?
It's a question that is beginning to concentrate our collective minds more and more.
The traditional solution of mass destruction through warfare becomes less and less attractive to more and more people.... most of us want it all - a reasonable standard of living and a secure future AND peace on earth.
Is it possible to have all these things?
I agree and I think personally that the idea that land holds a cultures history is flawed. The people hold its history, the land is merely the stage. Yes the places where great and terrible things happen are always remembered, but without the actions of the people involved, it's just dust.
Having or not having the land does not change the history of it, so long as that is taught, the culture will never die.
When people accept this, then we will be on our way to finding some harmony, in my opinion anyway
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How very sad this thread is People should be ashamed of themselves.
Hugz
People should be ashamed of themselves.Hugz
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Your missing the point. The land belonged to the Southeast Asian and Sothern Pacific people first, but you are so stuck on your own culture. The American Indians came later. What about the Southeast Asian and Southern Pacific people. Who is going to fight for their rights.
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rasgumby: I have read a lot of your post in many threads,
Always thought you were level headed and cool.. I am so disappointed
that you have gone so far out of your way to prove me wrong in how I saw you. as I am sure many others are surprised as well.
has us fooled for a while.
Always thought you were level headed and cool.. I am so disappointed
that you have gone so far out of your way to prove me wrong in how I saw you. as I am sure many others are surprised as well.
has us fooled for a while.
Isn't that up to others to decide and not for you to decide for them?
Before making judgements, you should look harder at what prompted this.
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DaisyChick: How very sad this thread is People should be ashamed of themselves.
Hugz
Hugz
Hi daizy...no according to them..everyone else should be ashamed of who the are....
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Sommerauer71: Isn't that up to others to decide and not for you to decide for them?
Before making judgements, you should look harder at what prompted this.
Before making judgements, you should look harder at what prompted this.
Sorry, wasn't talking to you.
did not ask for or want your opinion.
If I am attacked... I am not making a Judgment when I say I was attacked.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Hi daizy...no according to them..everyone else should be ashamed of who the are....
Yeah so sad
I'm just so damn glad I love myself sooo much that I needn't put down others because of where they live
... I make ME, not my country!
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rasgumby: Sorry, wasn't talking to you.
did not ask for or want your opinion.
If I am attacked... I am not making a Judgment when I say I was attacked.
did not ask for or want your opinion.
If I am attacked... I am not making a Judgment when I say I was attacked.
Well, it is a free speaking site, it is ok for you to protect your own, when feeling attacked, but not the other way around.
You have not checked what prompted this, clearly, nor have little understanding around it, you also go into another thread and attack another poster there.
I have always enjoyed your posts, but as you say, we are easily fooled.
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I agree with the need to grasp and never lose your laws, culture, language. The question of self government is another more complicated and dangerous idea.
Unfortunately without the land and the power, you have to rely on the goodwill of the individual to respect your culture and its ways. Engendering goodwill within people to help support your fight, or to win them over and get them to accept your rights, feel your pain, understand, does not come from standing outside the city walls yelling and throwing rocks. This war is only won by infiltration.