The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious ( Archived) (44)

Dec 3, 2008 12:10 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
cardsfan24: Who you gonna cal GHOSTBUSTERS


Hi cards, great to see you!wave

Ghostbusters. Oh, dear. We are now getting into the paranormal. Out of my league I'm afraid.

You know of any?roll eyes
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Dec 3, 2008 12:10 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08: Hi Dawn,

Ye gads, what a scary thought! Re how my mind works!

Please, teleport as much popcorn as you like. Q/p's would say you can

Please, do not be silent! If I wanted to talk to myself, I would not invite you all here!


I like your scary mind Veneer it's quite bright and frankly I haven't had much of any merit to add lately but being rather mischievous. Bodhi sounds like he comes from a background of Physics which I know nothing of and I really do not know about divination. What I think or have experienced frankly was in the realm of Christianity and I do not practice that anymore and I do not want to get a religious argument going with anyone.

The one belief I have is that our spirits are eternal and in some ways I can see where you and Bodhi come from. I believe there is internal and external forces that can show or divine things for us if we pay attention to them and are open. But that is simply my opinion.hug
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Dec 3, 2008 12:15 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
venere08: You silly boy

Don't want you to leave. But mine is not the mind to be able to deal with the complexities you raise, that is all. I wish it were, but it ain't.

So please, do stay/come back. Maybe someone else with much higher intellect than myself, can enter into complex discourse with you. My contributions must remain on a more 'earthly' level, regardsless of my talk of 'universe'


Speaking in "earthly" terms, I find it amazing that every culture has some form of geomancy...or divination via dirt...laugh wink tongue
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Dec 3, 2008 12:22 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Dawn7z: I like your scary mind Veneer it's quite bright and frankly I haven't had much of any merit to add lately but being rather mischievous. Bodhi sounds like he comes from a background of Physics which I know nothing of and I really do not know about divination. What I think or have experienced frankly was in the realm of Christianity and I do not practice that anymore and I do not want to get a religious argument going with anyone.

The one belief I have is that our spirits are eternal and in some ways I can see where you and Bodhi come from. I believe there is internal and external forces that can show or divine things for us if we pay attention to them and are open. But that is simply my opinion.


Yes, I wish I had Bodhi's knowledge. Alas, my interest was there, but I only barely passed physics in high school.

Getting in touch with our higher self is not tied to any religion, be it Christianity or other. A common underlying premise is the existence of a God, a Higher Energy Force, or some other Deity, which we all know means different things to different people. That quantum physicist I spoke of is deeply religious, a devout Catholic, and believer in God. (I think he has very screwed up morals, but that is another story). From what I gather, it seems an inevitability that the latter should be so.

Please, do keep contributing
applause
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Dec 3, 2008 12:30 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08: Yes, I wish I had Bodhi's knowledge. Alas, my interest was there, but I only barely passed physics in high school.

Getting in touch with our higher self is not tied to any religion, be it Christianity or other. A common underlying premise is the existence of a God, a Higher Energy Force, or some other Deity, which we all know means different things to different people. That quantum physicist I spoke of is deeply religious, a devout Catholic, and believer in God. (I think he has very screwed up morals, but that is another story). From what I gather, it seems an inevitability that the latter should be so.

Please, do keep contributing

Thanks Veneer sounds like an interesting man and I need to take a class when I go back to college or get a basic physics for dummies book lol.
That has been my point of reference being a spiritual person for most of my life but you are right there is something indefinable inside of us some force that is inexplicable by science or anything else. I though for a bit my point of reference was as agnostic, but I am not totally as I believe not everything can be explained or proven concretely, but what I have to ad to this discussion comes from what my subjective experience and a deep rooted knowing JMO again that we are more than simply biological matter, and that there are forces outside of us that we are not always aware of.
You friend sounds like a fascinating flawed human.
Thanks for the encouragement at least it gives you a point of reference where I am coming from.thumbs up hug
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Dec 3, 2008 12:33 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Dawn7z: Thanks Veneer sounds like an interesting man and I need to take a class when I go back to college or get a basic physics for dummies book lol.
That has been my point of reference being a spiritual person for most of my life but you are right there is something indefinable inside of us some force that is inexplicable by science or anything else. I though for a bit my point of reference was as agnostic, but I am not totally as I believe not everything can be explained or proven concretely, but what I have to ad to this discussion comes from what my subjective experience and a deep rooted knowing JMO again that we are more than simply biological matter, and that there are forces outside of us that we are not always aware of.
You friend sounds like a fascinating flawed human.
Thanks for the encouragement at least it gives you a point of reference where I am coming from.


Forces outside us? lol...worry about the one's inside you first...they end up causing the most havoc...laugh wink hug
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Dec 3, 2008 12:35 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi: Forces outside us? lol...worry about the one's inside you first...they end up causing the most havoc...


Maybe the force outside me be with you Bodhi. I knew I should have just ate my dang popcorn tonight.
Back to reading too tired to add more.tongue rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 3, 2008 12:40 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Dawn7z: Thanks Veneer sounds like an interesting man and I need to take a class when I go back to college or get a basic physics for dummies book lol. a deep rooted knowing JMO again that we are more than simply biological matter, and that there are forces outside of us that we are not always aware of.


It needs to be 'quantum'.

Forces outside us there most definitely are.

Well, it seems, bodhi has deserted us. Perhaps you can use your
'quantum 'charms to summon him backlaughwine
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Dec 3, 2008 12:45 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08: It needs to be 'quantum'.

Forces outside us there most definitely are.

Well, it seems, bodhi has deserted us. Perhaps you can use your
'quantum 'charms to summon him back


Bodhi come back you and Veneer had a great discussion going on and I am sure there were plenty of others peeking in here. Or come on out there those who are familiar with Quantum physics or divination. Come join this thread.
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Dec 3, 2008 12:52 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Forces outside us? lol...worry about the one's inside you first...they end up causing the most havoc...


Hey bohi,

You're here after all. wave

We need your brains in this discussion. Desperately.

Just don't expect me to understand half of what you saylaugh

But I do understand how inside forces can cause the most havoc!help

I do wonder what it is the q/p's use to actually measure an holographic matrix?dunno
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Dec 3, 2008 1:04 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
venere08: Hey bohi,

You're here after all.

We need your brains in this discussion. Desperately.

Just don't expect me to understand half of what you say

But I do understand how inside forces can cause the most havoc!

I do wonder what it is the q/p's use to actually measure an holographic matrix?


The usual index used when describing a hologram is the light quantum...from small to large the pattern is repeated throughout the matrix. Thus why the model of a galaxy is so similiar to a solar system, and a solar system so similiar to the structure of an atom...infinite progression both macroscopic and microscopic...
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Dec 3, 2008 1:07 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: The usual index used when describing a hologram is the light quantum...from small to large the pattern is repeated throughout the matrix. Thus why the model of a galaxy is so similiar to a solar system, and a solar system so similiar to the structure of an atom...infinite progression both macroscopic and microscopic...


Gee, thanks bodhi, but err...uh oh

How does this translate to my specific creation, that is, the clear thought + vivid visualisation + strong emotion, as being measurable? And with what is it measured?dunno



(She waits for response with bated breath)
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Dec 3, 2008 1:08 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: The usual index used when describing a hologram is the light quantum...from small to large the pattern is repeated throughout the matrix. Thus why the model of a galaxy is so similiar to a solar system, and a solar system so similiar to the structure of an atom...infinite progression both macroscopic and microscopic...


We cannot change the future until we understand the past...our lives are holographic. We are the insane, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. That is Karma.

If I were to do a tarot reading enough times, the tarot reading would eventually indicate my future would hold for me, sitting there doing tarot readings to find out what my future is...
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Dec 3, 2008 1:16 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
venere08: Gee, thanks bodhi, but err...

How does this translate to my specific creation, that is, the clear thought + vivid visualisation + strong emotion, as being measurable? And with what is it measured?
(She waits for response with bated breath)


It depends on whether you're visualizing with one slot or two...if one, the photon, with two, the electromagnetic frequency of a wave...laugh

Will+Desire+Ritual=Manifestation.

Interference patterns of different wavelengths (clear thought + vivid visualisation+strong emotion) = precipitation out of the implicit order into the explicit. And how can you measure one piece of infinity as discrete from another piece?

Its a mistake to view them as seperate. Myoho is the synthesis both of Myo (potential) and ho (manifest), equaling the law of simultaneous cause and effect . There is no temporal seperation between the two except as the mind perceives it...That is the illusion that Maya perpetuates.
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Dec 3, 2008 1:18 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: We cannot change the future until we understand the past...our lives are holographic. We are the insane, doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. That is Karma.

If I were to do a tarot reading enough times, the tarot reading would eventually indicate my future would hold for me, sitting there doing tarot readings to find out what my future is...


Yes, OK.

But you could you please tackle my question above.

Keen for your reply.
Ta muchlyapplause
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Dec 3, 2008 2:50 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
venere08: Yes, OK.

But you could you please tackle my question above.

Keen for your reply.
Ta muchly


dunno confused

Wheredee go?
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Dec 3, 2008 4:20 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
I would love to hear from someone who has actually used the I Ching. It's thousands of years, old, and anything Chinese and that old, I hold with great reverence.

It's ages since I did, and I just bought a new version/translation, a very good one, but seems to be more technically written than the previous one I had. I will go through it soon, but I am just wanting to talk about the hexagrams, which lines are moving lines and which are not.

Back to the drawing board for now.

wave
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Dec 3, 2008 7:00 AM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
It's nice to see the spiritual evolution of the anglo-saxons taking place...

damn reptiles...laugh
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Dec 7, 2008 3:44 PM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
venere08
venere08venere08Puglia and Autumn, South Australia Australia121 Threads 2 Polls 9,996 Posts
StressFree: It's nice to see the spiritual evolution of the anglo-saxons taking place...

damn reptiles...


Hi SF,

Good to see you. Evolve away...

wave
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Dec 7, 2008 4:10 PM CST The "I Ching" (The Book of Changes) and the collective unconscious
Apostophe
ApostopheApostopheBoksburg, Gauteng South Africa64 Threads 1,937 Posts
I owned an I Ching book years ago - but i hardly used it.
A cousin that i was really close too owned one as well - she was so tuned in - i would phone her - she used to live about 2,000 Kilometres away from me - and she would do my I ching for me - always spot on!
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