Love V Hate (39)
rizlared: I have noticed on many threads that some seem to think that because there has been a clash of opinions or thoughts, it shows a lack of love. And may even be classed as hatred
This really (in all seriousness) bothers me,
Are some saying that in order to show or feel love that they are no longer to form an opinion and voice that opinion.
Do some think that because there is a clash of thoughts then that MUST lead to some form of hatred, violence even.
I would say that personally, I am one of the least violent persons within the CS walls, I can put hand on heart and say, I have never hated anyone in my entire life. I have never hit anyone either, thats not to say I weak or a coward, I just use words to place my side of a discussion, always have always will.
I genuinely believe that I have a huge capacity to love, and I am really puzzled that some would suggest that just because those that enter a debate on a forum show they are incapable of love.
Or have I just become paranoid
This really (in all seriousness) bothers me,
Are some saying that in order to show or feel love that they are no longer to form an opinion and voice that opinion.
Do some think that because there is a clash of thoughts then that MUST lead to some form of hatred, violence even.
I would say that personally, I am one of the least violent persons within the CS walls, I can put hand on heart and say, I have never hated anyone in my entire life. I have never hit anyone either, thats not to say I weak or a coward, I just use words to place my side of a discussion, always have always will.
I genuinely believe that I have a huge capacity to love, and I am really puzzled that some would suggest that just because those that enter a debate on a forum show they are incapable of love.
Or have I just become paranoid
No...it's not the difference of opinion, it's the name calling and the vehemece in which the differences are expressed. I can think of three that are nothing more than hateful in expressing their opposing opinion!! Then they come back and say they don't hate you! But they do nothing but post with a haughty spirit and hateful posts
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pretzelman: No...it's not the difference of opinion, it's the name calling and the vehemece in which the differences are expressed. I can think of three that are nothing more than hateful in expressing their opposing opinion!! Then they come back and say they don't hate you! But they do nothing but post with a haughty spirit and hateful posts
Yes I can't disagree with that view Ship, and I know that I have risen to the bait at times, but I still maintain that the person making those remarks is still capable of giving love.
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rizlared: I have noticed on many threads that some seem to think that because there has been a clash of opinions or thoughts, it shows a lack of love. And may even be classed as hatred
This really (in all seriousness) bothers me,
Are some saying that in order to show or feel love that they are no longer to form an opinion and voice that opinion.
Do some think that because there is a clash of thoughts then that MUST lead to some form of hatred, violence even.
I would say that personally, I am one of the least violent persons within the CS walls, I can put hand on heart and say, I have never hated anyone in my entire life. I have never hit anyone either, thats not to say I weak or a coward, I just use words to place my side of a discussion, always have always will.
I genuinely believe that I have a huge capacity to love, and I am really puzzled that some would suggest that just because those that enter a debate on a forum show they are incapable of love.
Or have I just become paranoid
This really (in all seriousness) bothers me,
Are some saying that in order to show or feel love that they are no longer to form an opinion and voice that opinion.
Do some think that because there is a clash of thoughts then that MUST lead to some form of hatred, violence even.
I would say that personally, I am one of the least violent persons within the CS walls, I can put hand on heart and say, I have never hated anyone in my entire life. I have never hit anyone either, thats not to say I weak or a coward, I just use words to place my side of a discussion, always have always will.
I genuinely believe that I have a huge capacity to love, and I am really puzzled that some would suggest that just because those that enter a debate on a forum show they are incapable of love.
Or have I just become paranoid
I agree, mere debates over opinions, have nothing to do with someone's ability to still love the person/persons in which they were debating(arguing) with. Love- meaning caring about them as people...
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rizlared: Hi, Oh I have had my moments, but I would say that disappointment and anger rather than hate was the result.
I learnt a long long time ago not to bottle up those emotions, they serve no purpose other than to eat away at your very soul.
I really don't think I am capable of hating anyone, All though Gordon Brown/ Tony Blair/GW Bush could come close but even then I just feel sorry for the guys living in a fantasy world.
I learnt a long long time ago not to bottle up those emotions, they serve no purpose other than to eat away at your very soul.
I really don't think I am capable of hating anyone, All though Gordon Brown/ Tony Blair/GW Bush could come close but even then I just feel sorry for the guys living in a fantasy world.
Ahhh, just throw shoes at them. Then you will feel better.
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FreedomLover: Ahhh, just throw shoes at them. Then you will feel better.
Steel capped safety boots come to mind
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Yes I can't disagree with that view Ship, and I know that I have risen to the bait at times, but I still maintain that the person making those remarks is still capable of giving love.[/quote]
I can say that I am incapable of giving love!! Or accepting it!
But, for the most part, I try to get along with people
Straight up
I can say that I am incapable of giving love!! Or accepting it!
But, for the most part, I try to get along with people
Straight up
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Tater: I agree, mere debates over opinions, have nothing to do with someone's ability to still love the person/persons in which they were debating(arguing) with. Love- meaning caring about them as people...
It is really hard when you don't know them well and they start off arguing. As they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. It is hard to feel warm and fuzzy about them when all you know is their bitterness.
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FreedomLover: It is really hard when you don't know them well and they start off arguing. As they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. It is hard to feel warm and fuzzy about them when all you know is their bitterness.
I agree....I think everyone is capable of love to some degree sure...but they can also hate...and it's quite plain to see when someone is full of hate...it doesn't just come out during a debate but in how they treat others with disdain also.....
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It doesn't help anyone anywhere to speak enigmatically about people here. Either blurt it out or......
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rizlared: Again you make some good points Dru
But at the same time, a person should be allowed to defend themselves against an unsubstantiated statement, without being accused of being lacking in love.
But at the same time, a person should be allowed to defend themselves against an unsubstantiated statement, without being accused of being lacking in love.
Agreed, Riz. I just hate it when it degenerates into "I'm right and you're wrong, and you're an idiot because you don't see my point of view." We all have different points of view and need to respect each other's right to have them.
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rizlared: I have noticed on many threads that some seem to ...
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Or have I just become paranoid
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Or have I just become paranoid
Probably you have just become paranoid, Riz.
I have just become paranoid also, me thinks.
When I see this kind of statements being repeated again and again like some kind of chanting
quote: “….they have little intelligence or ability to understand what I am saying…” ,
it makes me cringe.
Some people bumping into it might think to themselves “thank God I am not one of them feeble- minded” and be on their way. I used to be like that… the more often it happens, the more paranoid I get – when I read it now, I keep imagining these herds of mentally challenged CSers roaming the forum boards and I wonder if my computer screen is good enough a protection from all those with no mental abilities.
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PietroPaoloV: It doesn't help anyone anywhere to speak enigmatically about people here. Either blurt it out or......
I'm not pointing fingers PPV, just genuinely puzzled as to why some people break into threads and say the posts are full of hatred and the posters have no love, if that is what they are thinking, why did they enter the thread?
I just feel that when a disagreement occurs, there is no hatred, just a form of frustration at the inability of some to grasp a specific point of view.
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rizlared: Yes I so agree J, I would though admit that I can become abrasive when posts contain blatant Lies or Misquotes, because I want to debate with someone who actually knows what they are talking about.
And I am open minded enough to sway and change my mind if the opposing argument is strong enough and presented in a logical and knowledgeable fashion.
And I am open minded enough to sway and change my mind if the opposing argument is strong enough and presented in a logical and knowledgeable fashion.
That´s half of what a good debate is all about... the hope that you actually get to learn something... I will often take an opposing view of how I really feel just to facilitate more points of view and get more info out there.
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laura225: Probably you have just become paranoid, Riz.
I have just become paranoid also, me thinks.
When I see this kind of statements being repeated again and again like some kind of chanting
quote: “….they have little intelligence or ability to understand what I am saying…” ,
it makes me cringe. Some people bumping into it might think to themselves “thank God I am not one of them feeble- minded” and be on their way. I used to be like that… the more often it happens, the more paranoid I get – when I read it now, I keep imagining these herds of mentally challenged CSers roaming the forum boards and I wonder if my computer screen is good enough a protection from all those with no mental abilities.
I have just become paranoid also, me thinks.
When I see this kind of statements being repeated again and again like some kind of chanting
quote: “….they have little intelligence or ability to understand what I am saying…” ,
it makes me cringe. Some people bumping into it might think to themselves “thank God I am not one of them feeble- minded” and be on their way. I used to be like that… the more often it happens, the more paranoid I get – when I read it now, I keep imagining these herds of mentally challenged CSers roaming the forum boards and I wonder if my computer screen is good enough a protection from all those with no mental abilities.
You make a good point Laura, I know that I don't suffer fools lightly, and I do try not to belittle other posters, but sometimes the sheer stupidity gets to me and I let rip.
I am not proud of that failing and hope that I can control it better in the future.
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hopefloats: You see it more now than ever! Some people just can't "agree to disagree" and move on. They feel they must stand their ground til they're the last one standing! And it doesn't matter to them what it takes to get to that point. I stay away from the flaming threads as well. I have commented ONE time on one, then never returned to it again because it upset me so much. Life is too precious to be spending it arguing with others. I have had my fill of bickering people in real life, WHY in the world I would want to voluntarily be in on it online?! Maybe I'm just getting too mellow with age. Which is perfectly fine with me! I would hope to spend the rest of my life enjoying quality time with others in a peaceful environment OR just be alone the rest of my life. That's how much I despise bickering.
JMO,
Merky
JMO,
Merky
You are my hero, Merky
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rizlared: You make a good point Laura, I know that I don't suffer fools lightly, and I do try not to belittle other posters, but sometimes the sheer stupidity gets to me and I let rip.
I am not proud of that failing and hope that I can control it better in the future.
I am not proud of that failing and hope that I can control it better in the future.
I was not aware that you too write things like that a few times a day - it wasn't your quote.
And you didn't seem being the type
But glad it made you think if you are.
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shut your mangina
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pretzelman: shut your mangina
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Hi, Oh I have had my moments, but I would say that disappointment and anger rather than hate was the result.
I learnt a long long time ago not to bottle up those emotions, they serve no purpose other than to eat away at your very soul.
I really don't think I am capable of hating anyone, All though Gordon Brown/ Tony Blair/GW Bush could come close