Goodmorning fjames,

I will have to agree with you. As you know this is a subject I know and love. When Jesus said "it is finished"..he meant what he had come here to do. And YES judas had to do his part to fulfill prophecy It was a wonderful sacrifice indeed, but also the man in him (jesus)while in the garden asked his father if there was a way to not have to go through this. We are lucky it is in the past for if our Messiah were one of our friends..perhaps we would have trouble believing..and betray him as well.

Thanx for this thought provoking poem..JG..

Nice to see you also..and you also larry,
I wanted to say to cafe..that Peter also betrayed Jesus..and right up to the time he did it..he said he would never do it, but he DID..and three times at that!! so,yes I believe like james..he was destined to turn Jesus over peter was jesus favorite disciple..he was even warned that he would deny him..and yet did t anyway. And yes it is as james has said..there were many other writings that were never chosen to make it in the bible..I watch alot of the history channel

Thanx again for posting this james, and may God give you peace ..JG..

Hello again fjames,
Looks like you and I are on the same page as far as what we have studied..and how we think. I have always admired the way you show your love for God as well as you knowledge of His word!! I truly enjoy these kinds of writings..but we are few on here.

Anyway..keep them comming, perhaps I will sit and write something myself..trake good care my friend..JG..

I too would like to commend the author of this very creative, thought provoking poem for a very well written piece!!! The content of the poem is certainly up for good argument and the beauty of our free will is that we have the blessed privilege to argue (peaceably!) :-) Cafe brings good points to the table, as his points are indeed from the Word of God, but Jerseygirl also brings forth credible points as to Peter's 3 denials of Christ prior to Christ's crucifixion.
Judas was in fact referred to as being "The son of perdition" - and "Woe to him by whose hands the Son of man is betrayed!" In my own humble opinion, I, like Cafe, believe that Judas is in fact a lost soul according to the teaching of God's word, as the prophecy of his horrible death was accurately fulfilled. Peter, on the other hand, has been shown to be one of a broken and contrite spirit in respect to his denial of Christ - which, by the way, was for 'self' preservation at a time of SERIOUS persecution upon those willing to identify themselves as believers in Jesus as their Messiah. He had no purpose whatsoever in his denial, of 'betraying' Christ.... only an interest in NOT suffering the consequences of identifying himself with him. Just 'MY' 2 cents worth on the topic.

I LOVE IT when people are willing to discuss the most important topic to mankind.... GOD and His merciful gift toward mankind through the sacrificial gift of His only begotten Son. P.T.L. all ye His children!!!