CHRISTIANITY – RELIGION OR A CULT? (87)
Merriweather: Most people do have an idea that there prolly is a higher being above us... and call that icon whatever you will... religions call the icon God or however you want to coin it - a higher than you being- and that is OK...
Cults are like Banks.. like real estate agents, nasty stuff..
Cults are like Banks.. like real estate agents, nasty stuff..
Christianity is a religion and it is the biggest in the world ...Bfore you ask here is the link.
Can't see what you hoped to achieve with this thread.
Possiblt if you asked are religions really a cult
By using Chritianity as your vocal point you knew you would start an argument. This is why I post so seldom now. Folk like yourself are posting threads not for discussion but to annoy and start arguments.
If you had asked Is Islam, Hinduism or Bhudism really a cult you would especially in the case of is lslam had a real bit of nensense going on.
If you want a discussionon Religion v Cult you should have included them all.
pedro27: weather you know it or not, deep down everyone in the world ''hopes'' that when we die we will exsit for ever JMO
God works in mysterious ways, he don't see what we see
God works in mysterious ways, he don't see what we see
You can't say that - - - I faced death on some occasions, and I never, ever thought of what you just wrote . . . and the saying "god works in mysterious ways", people like you always use, when they do not have any valid, factual arguments.
I recall, you writing, that you can discuss with facts. . . . there are none in your post. You sir, are not legit with what you just wrote . . .
patmac: Christianity is a religion and it is the biggest in the world ...Bfore you ask here is the link.
Can't see what you hoped to achieve with this thread.
Possiblt if you asked are religions really a cult
By using Chritianity as your vocal point you knew you would start an argument. This is why I post so seldom now. Folk like yourself are posting threads not for discussion but to annoy and start arguments.
If you had asked Is Islam, Hinduism or Bhudism really a cult you would especially in the case of is lslam had a real bit of nensense going on.
If you want a discussionon Religion v Cult you should have included them all.
Can't see what you hoped to achieve with this thread.
Possiblt if you asked are religions really a cult
By using Chritianity as your vocal point you knew you would start an argument. This is why I post so seldom now. Folk like yourself are posting threads not for discussion but to annoy and start arguments.
If you had asked Is Islam, Hinduism or Bhudism really a cult you would especially in the case of is lslam had a real bit of nensense going on.
If you want a discussionon Religion v Cult you should have included them all.
I do include them all. If you would read through all my posts, you would notice that I am using the word Religion, with out specifying which one. But I get your point, I might have titled the post in a wrong way . . . .
54xmax: You can't say that - - - I faced death on some occasions, and I never, ever thought of what you just wrote . . . and the saying "god works in mysterious ways", people like you always use, when they do not have any valid, factual arguments.
I recall, you writing, that you can discuss with facts. . . . there are none in your post. You sir, are not legit with what you just wrote . . .
I recall, you writing, that you can discuss with facts. . . . there are none in your post. You sir, are not legit with what you just wrote . . .
i too was faced with death, what i experinced i will not say here.
i know your searching for answers in your life.
but you might not find your answers
54xmax: I do include them all. If you would read through all my posts, you would notice that I am using the word Religion, with out specifying which one. But I get your point, I might have titled the post in a wrong way . . . .
Abit of back trcking there, but, you clearly stated in your title.
Christaianity ---Religion or Cult....
So the actaul thread is on the merits of Chritianity.
You clearly specify CHRISTAINITY. Now you are trying to say you did not...I suggest you read your title again.
Possibly post the fact you ACTUALLY DID SPECIFY A RELIGION
The fact you have as above tried to deny this shows a lot to folks.
patmac: Abit of back trcking there, but, you clearly stated in your title.
Christaianity ---Religion or Cult....
So the actaul thread is on the merits of Chritianity.
You clearly specify CHRISTAINITY. Now you are trying to say you did not...I suggest you read your title again.
Possibly post the fact you ACTUALLY DID SPECIFY A RELIGION
The fact you have as above tried to deny this shows a lot to folks.
Christaianity ---Religion or Cult....
So the actaul thread is on the merits of Chritianity.
You clearly specify CHRISTAINITY. Now you are trying to say you did not...I suggest you read your title again.
Possibly post the fact you ACTUALLY DID SPECIFY A RELIGION
The fact you have as above tried to deny this shows a lot to folks.
Yes I did state it . . . . and I admit, my title is flawed. But I also use in my subsequent posts the word Religion, not Christianity. I would also like to point you to what I wrote at the end of my post - - - -
To conclude, I would like to emphasize, that I do not have anything against people with faith. But there is a difference between people who have faith, but still think with their heads, and religious people who act, and live their lives according to 5 points stated above.
One more thing - - - I think all main religions on the world, are operating by 5 basic above stated points.
54xmax: Yes I did state it . . . . and I admit, my title is flawed. But I also use in my subsequent posts the word Religion, not Christianity. I would also like to point you to what I wrote at the end of my post - - - -
To conclude, I would like to emphasize, that I do not have anything against people with faith. But there is a difference between people who have faith, but still think with their heads, and religious people who act, and live their lives according to 5 points stated above.
One more thing - - - I think all main religions on the world, are operating by 5 basic above stated points.
To conclude, I would like to emphasize, that I do not have anything against people with faith. But there is a difference between people who have faith, but still think with their heads, and religious people who act, and live their lives according to 5 points stated above.
One more thing - - - I think all main religions on the world, are operating by 5 basic above stated points.
Deflect all you like, but you have admitted you did specify.
My point was exactly that.
To stop disputes and help debate it always helps to use generic terms. So the better title would have been.
Are religions any different fom cults.
And yes all religions share common points. Many of which are used similarly by cults.
Difference between a relion or a cult... Really very little on the face of it. But, religion is in my opinion often a cult and vice versa.
Just the fact that cults have generally fewer followers and seldom have the legality of a religion makes their existance often short term.
Mind you I personally would class many religions as cults but I cannot think of any cult I would class as a religion.
But as long as you don't fighten the kids or start wars I for one think you should be allowed the freedom to practice what ever religious theory you wish.
Most religions have rules which in general terms are good for guidance, especially for bringing kids up.
Cults however do not always show me the same.
54xmax: 1. A particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies
( Christianity has those )
2. An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers
( Christianity is all about worship ).
3. The object of such devotion
( in Christianity it is deity called god and his son Jesus )
4. A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
( Christianity is all about that too )
5. A group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centring around their sacred symbols
( Christianity – Cross + so called holy relics )
From Dictionary - - - - How are these 5 points different from my 5 points, except in semantics?
( Christianity has those )
2. An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers
( Christianity is all about worship ).
3. The object of such devotion
( in Christianity it is deity called god and his son Jesus )
4. A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
( Christianity is all about that too )
5. A group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centring around their sacred symbols
( Christianity – Cross + so called holy relics )
From Dictionary - - - - How are these 5 points different from my 5 points, except in semantics?
1) Christian rites and services vary greatly from one group to another.
What is practiced in Orthodox Christianity is vastly different than what is practiced in Protestant or Catholic Christianity.
Cults tend to force a specific form of service on the followers.
Christianity offer a very wide range of service.
2) Christianity is about honoring Christ, the savior. And the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You have to be born again of the Holy Spirit to understand this. Then real worship and fellowship with the father can occur.
3) You can call God a deity. But it is little bit more complicated than that. Over history, there have been many different Gods. Aztec Sun and Egyptian Sun God....Native American Indian ...Mother Earth God....the Greek ancient God from Posideon to Hades to Zues.....the Roman Gods.....from Neptune to Flora to Mercury. What is the difference between the Christian God and these?
The Christian God is living spirit. Man tried to make these in stone or wood or metal. When he did, he just made false dead Gods. It was man trying to make God in his image. Rather than God making man in his spirit image.
4) My Christian church feeds the poor, send missionaries abroad, has youth classes, and adult fellowship classes. This week the men's group goes on skeet shooting trip. But we have gone deep sea fishing, done BBQs of wild game, worked at the Church to keep the property in good form. Hosted a day of games and treats giving for the local youth on Holloween. This because many kids get razor blades and pins in the candy these days. So I see a great deal of diversity there in the activities of the church. And a Church doing good things.
5) Yes, the Christians has the cross as it central symbol. It represents Christ death and resurrection. But it also has the fish, the alpha and omega and Holy Bible and even folded hands in prayer as symbols of the faithful.
All organization of some kind has a symbol of recognition. Make no mistake the Christian Church is a organization. We just claim the God the father to be head of it. That by Christ his risen son, we can honor him.
max why do you hate christ?
pedro27: weather you know it or not, deep down everyone in the world ''hopes'' that when we die we will exsit for ever JMO
God works in mysterious ways, he don't see what we see
God works in mysterious ways, he don't see what we see
Unlike yourself P I dont claim to know what others think only for myself and I certainly have no wish to live/exist forever. As far as I am concerned when we are dead thats it, over.
Anything in excess is evil, even CS.
patmac: Deflect all you like, but you have admitted you did specify.
My point was exactly that.
To stop disputes and help debate it always helps to use generic terms. So the better title would have been.
Are religions any different fom cults.
And yes all religions share common points. Many of which are used similarly by cults.
Difference between a relion or a cult... Really very little on the face of it. But, religion is in my opinion often a cult and vice versa.
Just the fact that cults have generally fewer followers and seldom have the legality of a religion makes their existance often short term.
Mind you I personally would class many religions as cults but I cannot think of any cult I would class as a religion.
But as long as you don't fighten the kids or start wars I for one think you should be allowed the freedom to practice what ever religious theory you wish.
Most religions have rules which in general terms are good for guidance, especially for bringing kids up.
Cults however do not always show me the same.
My point was exactly that.
To stop disputes and help debate it always helps to use generic terms. So the better title would have been.
Are religions any different fom cults.
And yes all religions share common points. Many of which are used similarly by cults.
Difference between a relion or a cult... Really very little on the face of it. But, religion is in my opinion often a cult and vice versa.
Just the fact that cults have generally fewer followers and seldom have the legality of a religion makes their existance often short term.
Mind you I personally would class many religions as cults but I cannot think of any cult I would class as a religion.
But as long as you don't fighten the kids or start wars I for one think you should be allowed the freedom to practice what ever religious theory you wish.
Most religions have rules which in general terms are good for guidance, especially for bringing kids up.
Cults however do not always show me the same.
Here where the real issue comes - - - - Wars have been started for and by Religions - - and people have suffered cos of Religion - - You can't dispute that.
So - - - how can a Religion have still the right to exist if it enticed wars and violence and it still does . . . ?
( I would emphasize here that I am strictly talking about the institutions of Religion, and I in no way am adhering to people with faith, who recognize that Religion's are simply outdated hugely flawed concept, that mostly create problems, not solve them, and I do not have any problem with people who have faith in what ever they want - - - as long as they do not use Religion as an excuse to promote hate, intolerance and injustice ).
Even thou it is suppose to be teaching love, and tolerance - - but in the same breath promote intolerance, and great punishments if you do not follow the rules - - - in most cases hugely intolerant, cruel rules that have nothing to do with for example 10 commandments.
So how can now one justify existence of such Religion - - - The number of followers can not be a justification for it's existence - - - - Millions of people, following it, do not make it right At least I think so . . .
In the end it is more about semantics when it comes to word Religion and Cult - - - But when you attach points to what Cult means one can not help to see the same principles of conduct and actions in recognized Religions . . . . The only difference is, that so called Cults are called Cults, cos they have small amount of followers, and are at the moment not recognized by the powers that be, as a Religion. - - - -
Today's Religions started as Cults - - - And future Religions have started today as a Cult - - - - Take for example "Scientology" - - - it is a Cult - - - but for how long before it becomes truly recognized by the powers that be as a Religion . . . . and right from the start it adheres to Above stated 5 points - - -
You are right about the title - - - - I agree Will take it in to account for the future - - -
pedro27: max why do you hate christ?
I do not even believe he existed. So I don't have anything to hate about or of "him". Actually for what is worth the message that it is claimed to be from "him" is something good and positive.
What organized Religion did with it, and how it portrays "him", now that is what I have a huge problem with. - - - The way "he" is portrayed by the bible is a fairy tale for children - - - "he" is a copy paste of Egyptian god "Horus" - - - Everything about him
54xmax: Here where the real issue comes - - - - Wars have been started for and by Religions - - and people have suffered cos of Religion - - You can't dispute that.
So - - - how can a Religion have still the right to exist if it enticed wars and violence and it still does . . . ?
( I would emphasize here that I am strictly talking about the institutions of Religion, and I in no way am adhering to people with faith, who recognize that Religion's are simply outdated hugely flawed concept, that mostly create problems, not solve them, and I do not have any problem with people who have faith in what ever they want - - - as long as they do not use Religion as an excuse to promote hate, intolerance and injustice ).
Even thou it is suppose to be teaching love, and tolerance - - but in the same breath promote intolerance, and great punishments if you do not follow the rules - - - in most cases hugely intolerant, cruel rules that have nothing to do with for example 10 commandments.
So how can now one justify existence of such Religion - - - The number of followers can not be a justification for it's existence - - - - Millions of people, following it, do not make it right At least I think so . . .
In the end it is more about semantics when it comes to word Religion and Cult - - - But when you attach points to what Cult means one can not help to see the same principles of conduct and actions in recognized Religions . . . . The only difference is, that so called Cults are called Cults, cos they have small amount of followers, and are at the moment not recognized by the powers that be, as a Religion. - - - -
Today's Religions started as Cults - - - And future Religions have started today as a Cult - - - - Take for example "Scientology" - - - it is a Cult - - - but for how long before it becomes truly recognized by the powers that be as a Religion . . . . and right from the start it adheres to Above stated 5 points - - -
You are right about the title - - - - I agree Will take it in to account for the future - - -
So - - - how can a Religion have still the right to exist if it enticed wars and violence and it still does . . . ?
( I would emphasize here that I am strictly talking about the institutions of Religion, and I in no way am adhering to people with faith, who recognize that Religion's are simply outdated hugely flawed concept, that mostly create problems, not solve them, and I do not have any problem with people who have faith in what ever they want - - - as long as they do not use Religion as an excuse to promote hate, intolerance and injustice ).
Even thou it is suppose to be teaching love, and tolerance - - but in the same breath promote intolerance, and great punishments if you do not follow the rules - - - in most cases hugely intolerant, cruel rules that have nothing to do with for example 10 commandments.
So how can now one justify existence of such Religion - - - The number of followers can not be a justification for it's existence - - - - Millions of people, following it, do not make it right At least I think so . . .
In the end it is more about semantics when it comes to word Religion and Cult - - - But when you attach points to what Cult means one can not help to see the same principles of conduct and actions in recognized Religions . . . . The only difference is, that so called Cults are called Cults, cos they have small amount of followers, and are at the moment not recognized by the powers that be, as a Religion. - - - -
Today's Religions started as Cults - - - And future Religions have started today as a Cult - - - - Take for example "Scientology" - - - it is a Cult - - - but for how long before it becomes truly recognized by the powers that be as a Religion . . . . and right from the start it adheres to Above stated 5 points - - -
You are right about the title - - - - I agree Will take it in to account for the future - - -
Max, you`re missing the point, common folks are easy to manipulate with ,religion or no religion .Saying that wars started cause of religion is a common mistake, they started and are still led cause of greed,power welt ,religion is just a convenient excuse and a tool .
Like in the army ,you don`t get all the information, you just get a task form your superiors and even they have no clue what the hell is really going on in most cases ...
Boban1: Max, you`re missing the point, common folks are easy to manipulate with ,religion or no religion .Saying that wars started cause of religion is a common mistake, they started and are still led cause of greed,power welt ,religion is just a convenient excuse and a tool .
Like in the army ,you don`t get all the information, you just get a task form your superiors and even they have no clue what the hell is really going on in most cases ...
Like in the army ,you don`t get all the information, you just get a task form your superiors and even they have no clue what the hell is really going on in most cases ...
Everybody believes in something.
Every puts their faith somewhere.
Some in a higher power.
Some in a lower power.
Some in their own power.
Wherever we put our faith will have a big influence on our thoughts and our behavior.
Organized religion is generally a parasitic manmade construct that tries to harness control over people's minds, actions, and material wealth by misdirecting their faith.
But parasites can only live by tapping into a genuine life force.
Faith is a real power and it has to go somewhere.
I don't put faith in organized religion.
But I don't put faith in people's supposed intellectual atheism either.
I do believe that the revolutionary doctrine of Jesus - forgiving others, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves, returning good for evil, loving even our enemies, (etc etc etc)- is the best example the world has ever seen of how the creator wants us to be.
So that's where I choose to put my faith. Not in any religion, church, or whatever. But in the words of Jesus.
Frankly I have more confidence in his logic than in the OP's.
Every puts their faith somewhere.
Some in a higher power.
Some in a lower power.
Some in their own power.
Wherever we put our faith will have a big influence on our thoughts and our behavior.
Organized religion is generally a parasitic manmade construct that tries to harness control over people's minds, actions, and material wealth by misdirecting their faith.
But parasites can only live by tapping into a genuine life force.
Faith is a real power and it has to go somewhere.
I don't put faith in organized religion.
But I don't put faith in people's supposed intellectual atheism either.
I do believe that the revolutionary doctrine of Jesus - forgiving others, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves, returning good for evil, loving even our enemies, (etc etc etc)- is the best example the world has ever seen of how the creator wants us to be.
So that's where I choose to put my faith. Not in any religion, church, or whatever. But in the words of Jesus.
Frankly I have more confidence in his logic than in the OP's.
Boban1: Max, you`re missing the point, common folks are easy to manipulate with ,religion or no religion .Saying that wars started cause of religion is a common mistake, they started and are still led cause of greed,power welt ,religion is just a convenient excuse and a tool .
Like in the army ,you don`t get all the information, you just get a task form your superiors and even they have no clue what the hell is really going on in most cases ...
Like in the army ,you don`t get all the information, you just get a task form your superiors and even they have no clue what the hell is really going on in most cases ...
You have a point and that is what I meant, when I said that wars were started by Religion and for Religion - - - - What else it is when a war s started for Religion but greed,power wealth. It depends on the war, some were started cos of Religion, and some used religion to get people in to war - - - - with out them knowing what the real agenda is . . . . For example - Crusades, had nothing to do with freeing Jerusalem from Infidels, but that is the story they sold to the masses, to get them to war - - - - -
Real reason was, that many nobles, had many sons, who started to disrupt the law, and trade in such an excess, that it became a problem - - - Like today's youth with no purpose, nor jobs - - - full of energy, and what they do, they in most cases cause problems - - - in those days they sold them a war - - - Well nothing changed from then till today . . . .
54xmax: Here where the real issue comes - - - - Wars have been started for and by Religions - - and people have suffered cos of Religion - - You can't dispute that.
Sure I can.
Wars are never the result of religion.
War is a political activity.
However, there is always an attempt to shroud it in religious trappings in order to supposedly justify the blatant greed and lust for power that is really behind the war.
George W Bush is a cocaine snorting boozer spoiled rich kid.
But when he wanted to go to war he pretended to "find religion".
Don't blame God for Dubya's evil.
Don't blame God for the Irish Republican Army.
They may be Catholic, but the issues are political.
Don't blame God for the WTC.
The people behind the attacks did it for purely political reasons.
Then they blamed religion in order to stir up hatred that would permit them to invade oil countries.
RayfromUSA: Everybody believes in something.
Every puts their faith somewhere.
Some in a higher power.
Some in a lower power.
Some in their own power.
Wherever we put our faith will have a big influence on our thoughts and our behavior.
Organized religion is generally a parasitic manmade construct that tries to harness control over people's minds, actions, and material wealth by misdirecting their faith.
But parasites can only live by tapping into a genuine life force.
Faith is a real power and it has to go somewhere.
I don't put faith in organized religion.
But I don't put faith in people's supposed intellectual atheism either.
I do believe that the revolutionary doctrine of Jesus - forgiving others, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves, returning good for evil, loving even our enemies, (etc etc etc)- is the best example the world has ever seen of how the creator wants us to be.
So that's where I choose to put my faith. Not in any religion, church, or whatever. But in the words of Jesus.
Frankly I have more confidence in his logic than in the OP's.
Every puts their faith somewhere.
Some in a higher power.
Some in a lower power.
Some in their own power.
Wherever we put our faith will have a big influence on our thoughts and our behavior.
Organized religion is generally a parasitic manmade construct that tries to harness control over people's minds, actions, and material wealth by misdirecting their faith.
But parasites can only live by tapping into a genuine life force.
Faith is a real power and it has to go somewhere.
I don't put faith in organized religion.
But I don't put faith in people's supposed intellectual atheism either.
I do believe that the revolutionary doctrine of Jesus - forgiving others, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves, returning good for evil, loving even our enemies, (etc etc etc)- is the best example the world has ever seen of how the creator wants us to be.
So that's where I choose to put my faith. Not in any religion, church, or whatever. But in the words of Jesus.
Frankly I have more confidence in his logic than in the OP's.
1. I am with you on this one
2. Well nobody's perfect
54xmax:
1. I am with you on this one
2. Well nobody's perfect
1. I am with you on this one
2. Well nobody's perfect
That's why we need Jesus.
RayfromUSA: That's why we need Jesus.
Or at least the teachings of "Jesus"
- - - Glatlol: Unlike yourself P I dont claim to know what others think only for myself and I certainly have no wish to live/exist forever. As far as I am concerned when we are dead thats it, over.
thats a pity
54xmax: Or at least the teachings of "Jesus" - - -
If Jesus didn't exist (as you believe) who was the genius that came up with such a radical philosophy that has had such a tremendous effect on so many billions of people over the centuries.
And why did this genius throw the credit onto a dead carpenter who died penniless as a common criminal?
RayfromUSA: If Jesus didn't exist (as you believe) who was the genius that came up with such a radical philosophy that has had such a tremendous effect on so many billions of people over the centuries.
And why did this genius throw the credit onto a dead carpenter who died penniless as a common criminal?
And why did this genius throw the credit onto a dead carpenter who died penniless as a common criminal?
For some reason I believe that the whole story about Jesus was abused and changed to the pulp ,they adjusted and rigged it according to their needs ...
Boban1: For some reason I believe that the whole story about Jesus was abused and changed to the pulp ,they adjusted and rigged it according to their needs ...
Something like that yes - - - - -
Jesus came to earth to save man and teach them the way of GOD's laws.this was GOD the fathers plan to send his only son to save man from his sins. jesus knew HE would be crucified before anyone planed it.this was the purpose of him being born as a mortal.GOD sent the laws to live by, but man turned from GOD's laws. relegion and GOD are two different things. religion is man made, GOD always was and always will be. GOD said go spread the word of GOD. not any particular religion.
stringman: Jesus came to earth to save man and teach them the way of GOD's laws.this was GOD the fathers plan to send his only son to save man from his sins. jesus knew HE would be crucified before anyone planed it.this was the purpose of him being born as a mortal.GOD sent the laws to live by, but man turned from GOD's laws. relegion and GOD are two different things. religion is man made, GOD always was and always will be. GOD said go spread the word of GOD. not any particular religion.
And just exactly what does that sermon have to do with the thread
pedro27: thats a pity
I dont agree, I am perfectly happy to know that this is it and there is nothing after it.
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that is my point, you can not know what most people believe in . . . .
weather you know it or not, deep down everyone in the world ''hopes'' that when we die we will exsit for ever JMO
God works in mysterious ways, he don't see what we see