Obama or Romney? That is the Question! (836)

Jul 21, 2012 6:31 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Come on man! You are trying to do the same as u tried on Cciny over here... you are not listening to the whole thing and focusing on a single sentence with out caring for the rest of the answer



HSD I'm not too worried abut good ole Al.laugh
Jul 21, 2012 6:35 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Yeah a person who can earn more living in another country talks a bout his personal frustrations, and have chosed to move to another country were he can pay less in taxes, BUT be sure... some day soon if he gets ill or when he get a family and wanting to have a way more secure life with more rights for the working class he will move back to Denmark.


Sure Dude. That's why they have kids here who are of single passport - Canadian.

Hot_Single_Dude:
Unemploymnet rate in Denmark is like 4,3 procent only... the lowest rates in Europe or any where one can say.


IWth a 37 hour work week and no work for five weeks of the year of course there's going to be a low unemployment rate - it's a government manipulated reality.

Hot_Single_Dude: And you say it ur self... now when you have family and children you are not concidering moving to US and rather staying in Canada, and one of the main reasons is of course a more secure life generally and the whole foundation of life can not collapse in Canada as it can happen in America just like that!


Nope. Didn't say that at all. I said that I'm 'established' here. Why would I want to uproot me and my family when I'm doing alright despite the evil right leaning government Dude?

Hot_Single_Dude: Canada got a kind of social democratic system and even Canada is in a way much more "capitalist" than Denmark is, still social democratic model is a direct copy of the scandinavian model and voters of Canda will Never let it go even Fox and Co. are making propoganda against the candidan system and have done so for years in order to give Dems in US a bad face, if ever success fooling canadians going "GOP"!


Strange, our government is conservative. I suppose your bible - the Huffington post didn't clue you in on that one did they?

Now, back to Obama investing in outsourcing companies.

Hot_Single_Dude: A more safe life in Canda keeps you there, and then you really beleive an absolutely anti Candian styule kind of agenda offered by the dang GOP is better for America?


My roots keep me here now Dude. What part about being fifty six and all my family and friends and relatives all being herre don't you understand?

Hot_Single_Dude: GOP HATES the gots of Canadian system you see? the same system which keeps some body as ur self staying safe at home, is totaly rejected and made fun of by the entire dang organisation of GOP... and this very same thing Keeps you and ur family staying in canda... so what is the catch for you persoanlly supporting the dang GOP any way? Not good for You personally but good for America?


Hello Dude. Once again, our government is conservative.

Hot_Single_Dude: Of course your sis got it right mister...


Yes, for her moving to the US was a good one!

Hot_Single_Dude: Kiefer Sutherlands grand father is THE biggest candian national Hero of all time because he was the funder of the canadian system and the reason why Canda became a very better country to live in also for you!


Actually the biggest Canadian Hero is Julius Van Horn who built this nation through sheer nerve.

He was American by the way.

Hot_Single_Dude: And you know what they called this Hero back then in Canada and how they threatend him? I mean the same kind of GOP type right winger monsters of your own country HATED him and talked a bout End of days and blah blah blah and still... Do your best ! No right winger Buzo will EVER be able of bringing Canda back to the GOP level, no matter what


Sorry, you didn't make any sense with this last part.sad flower
Jul 21, 2012 6:37 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Come on man! You are trying to do the same as u tried on Cciny over here... you are not listening to the whole thing and focusing on a single sentence with out caring for the rest of the answer


It's a fact - they don't create jobs. No government does however, they destroy them by their policies.professor
Jul 22, 2012 4:35 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Ccincy: HSD I'm not too worried abut good ole Al.
Good to know Cciny ! Never allow any body making fun of you hug
Jul 22, 2012 5:22 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Albertaghost: Sure Dude. That's why they have kids here who are of single passport - Canadian.
IWth a 37 hour work week and no work for five weeks of the year of course there's going to be a low unemployment rate - it's a government manipulated reality.
Nope. Didn't say that at all. I said that I'm 'established' here. Why would I want to uproot me and my family when I'm doing alright despite the evil right leaning government Dude?
Strange, our government is conservative. I suppose your bible - the Huffington post didn't clue you in on that one did they?

Now, back to Obama investing in outsourcing companies.
My roots keep me here now Dude. What part about being fifty six and all my family and friends and relatives all being herre don't you understand?
Hello Dude. Once again, our government is conservative.
Yes, for her moving to the US was a good one!
Actually the biggest Canadian Hero is Julius Van Horn who built this nation through sheer nerve.

He was American by the way.
Sorry, you didn't make any sense with this last part.


Thank you using this much time giving careful answers Alberta. All respect from me because of this cheers

Well... you keep saying your government is a conservative government... Sure ! For now! When I talk a bout the candian system or the candian model I did not meant the governmnet here and now on charge in Canda! Conservatives are on charge now and so what?

We get conservatives on charge over here as well but the whole system of Denmark is Definately NOT their cup of tea and they would destroy it beyond recognition if they could, but voters of Denmark stopping those just on time and never allowing Conservatism becoming the country!

For now sure.. Canda gave power to conservatives and since Canda is democratic... voters will talk again and who knows? The system making your country good to live in is no Conservative and if god forbidden Conservatives of ur country always had it on their own way... Canda would be a very hard place to live and people would die in tousands because of lack of helath care coverage as it still happens in America because of their consevatives too much influence for too many years., and beside too many americans not able of higer education because of an unequal education system, again a damn legacy of damn right wingers of OZ!

Thanks god voters in Canada are never going to allow Republicans of America spreading their Hateful ideology of selfishness and greed destroying your country, and exactly as in America... Conservatives of Canda did not do any thing creating the candian model... they just show up once in a while, talking to some folks inner Evil of selfishness and greed and trying to make a mess and then all of sudden they dispaeer again by votes :



I sure did make sense with the last part you refer to Alberta... think some and try to remember or study... I have studied the issue and have heard how funders of universal heath care coverage in Canda were treated from damn cons back then, and how the exact same kind of language were used a bout them in media and ...it is history ... the bottom line is the foundation of the candian System in Canda which is Definately NOT Conservative , will never change since Canadians majority loving it and keep supporting it.

This very clear proof from Canada can show americans how important it is supporting people on charge who are not in pockets of war and oil and health care industry, and that,s exactly why the damn GOP using millions in order of destroying your system some how, but Can Definately NOT! rolling on the floor laughing

But u are right... unfortunatily Conservatives in Canda got a momentum for now and most candians wanting them keep staying on power. dunno
Jul 22, 2012 5:41 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Chatonlyman
ChatonlymanChatonlymanNorth bay, Ontario Canada2 Threads 461 Posts
The best way to rig a vote is to have everyone on the same team.Even teamplayers get upset once in awhile.
Jul 22, 2012 6:18 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Just thought I would drop in to share this.....

While the President was in Colorado to meeting the victims of the Batman shooting......his campaign was adveristing a local event (next Saturday) for Michelle Obama in Kissimmee, FL....advertised as the "Twice as much Fun" and a "Weekend of Action" and "you will be able to do twice as much" and to have "twice the fun together"...so participants are invited to bring a friend.

So back to the campaign.....and the victims of Aurora shooting have not been buried yet.

Just a little insensitive.......me thinks.
Jul 22, 2012 9:02 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude:
Thanks god voters in Canada are never going to allow Republicans of America spreading their Hateful ideology of selfishness and greed destroying your country, and exactly as in America... Conservatives of Canda did not do any thing creating the candian model... they just show up once in a while, talking to some folks inner Evil of selfishness and greed and trying to make a mess and then all of sudden they dispaeer again by votes :


Actually the Conservative party in Canada has been with us for over a hundred years so they don't just show up from time to time as when not in power they are the opposition so are always with us helping make our country the success it is so please get your facts together in order to save space, time and bandwidth.

Hot_Single_Dude: I sure did make sense with the last part you refer to Alberta... think some and try to remember or study... I have studied the issue and have heard how funders of universal heath care coverage in Canda were treated from damn cons back then, and how the exact same kind of language were used a bout them in media and ...it is history ... the bottom line is the foundation of the candian System in Canda which is Definately NOT Conservative , will never change since Canadians majority loving it and keep supporting it.


Here is the quote I refer to. Somebody translate please;

""And you know what they called this Hero back then in Canada and how they threatend him? I mean the same kind of GOP type right winger monsters of your own country HATED him and talked a bout End of days and blah blah blah and still... Do your best ! No right winger Buzo will EVER be able of bringing Canda back to the GOP level, no matter what""

Hot_Single_Dude:
This very clear proof from Canada can show americans how important it is supporting people on charge who are not in pockets of war and oil and health care industry, and that,s exactly why the damn GOP using millions in order of destroying your system some how, but Can Definately NOT!


The engine that drives our economy is natural resources which is mining, oil, gas, fisheries etc. Just thought you would need to know that if you ever wanted to discuss something with some knowledge.

Hot_Single_Dude: But u are right... unfortunatily Conservatives in Canda got a momentum for now and most candians wanting them keep staying on power.


Well, from a Dane who doesn't know squat you just called a majority of Canadians wrong. And your qualifications to critique an entire nation without basic knowledge of it comes from where?
Jul 22, 2012 11:47 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost: Actually the Conservative party in Canada has been with us for over a hundred years so they don't just show up from time to time as when not in power they are the opposition so are always with us helping make our country the success it is so please get your facts together in order to save space, time and bandwidth.
Here is the quote I refer to. Somebody translate please;

""And you know what they called this Hero back then in Canada and how they threatend him? I mean the same kind of GOP type right winger monsters of your own country HATED him and talked a bout End of days and blah blah blah and still... Do your best ! No right winger Buzo will EVER be able of bringing Canda back to the GOP level, no matter what""
The engine that drives our economy is natural resources which is mining, oil, gas, fisheries etc. Just thought you would need to know that if you ever wanted to discuss something with some knowledge.
Well, from a Dane who doesn't know squat you just called a majority of Canadians wrong. And your qualifications to critique an entire nation without basic knowledge of it comes from where?
Jul 23, 2012 12:25 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Good to know Cciny ! Never allow any body making fun of you


Al wasn't making fun of me.He just wants me to post figures about how many were killed in the wars and I refuse to post figures which I don't trust.I'm smart enough to know that our government doesn't give us accurrant numbers of people who were killed.Anyone with any sense at all would realize that.Some people just like to argue about something that we'll learn about from our own government.
Jul 23, 2012 12:26 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Ccincy: Al wasn't making fun of me.He just wants me to post figures about how many were killed in the wars and I refuse to post figures which I don't trust.I'm smart enough to know that our government doesn't give us accurrant numbers of people who were killed.Anyone with any sense at all would realize that.Some people just like to argue about something that we'll never learn about from our own government.
Jul 23, 2012 12:31 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Ccincy: Al wasn't making fun of me.He just wants me to post figures about how many were killed in the wars and I refuse to post figures which I don't trust.I'm smart enough to know that our government doesn't give us accurrant numbers of people who were killed.Anyone with any sense at all would realize that.Some people just like to argue about something that we'll learn about from our own government.


I said fifty million were freed and you then stated that twice that many were killed. I merely asked to see where you got that number from as it amounts to more than were killed in both world wars. If you pulled it out of thin air then just say so, if you got it from the BBC, Rayfromusa, Dude, or Michael Moore then that will work too. I mean, it's a discussion forum so you are permitted to say whatever you wish and hopefully will stick around to show us how and why you believe something.

sad flower To the hundred million killed in Iraq.
Jul 23, 2012 12:43 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Albertaghost: I said fifty million were freed and you then stated that twice that many were killed. I merely asked to see where you got that number from as it amounts to more than were killed in both world wars. If you pulled it out of thin air then just say so, if you got it from the BBC, Rayfromusa, Dude, or Michael Moore then that will work too. I mean, it's a discussion forum so you are permitted to say whatever you wish and hopefully will stick around to show us how and why you believe something.

To the hundred million killed in Iraq.


I ran across a article which mentioned some man by the name of Garfield who co-authored a 2004 study published in the British medical journal 'The Lancet,that estimated 98,000 more Iraqis died in months following the U.S invasion than would have died otherwise.

The recent editorals skewed a 2006 follow-up study that estimated more than 650,000 Iraqis "Excess deaths" the 40 months following the invasion. It was never challenged by much of the press because it told them what they wanted to know.

I'll be happy to post the article where this info came from if you care to read it.
Jul 23, 2012 12:53 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Ccincy: I ran across a article which mentioned some man by the name of Garfield who co-authored a 2004 study published in the British medical journal 'The Lancet,that estimated 98,000 more Iraqis died in months following the U.S invasion than would have died otherwise.

The recent editorals skewed a 2006 follow-up study that estimated more than 650,000 Iraqis "Excess deaths" the 40 months following the invasion. It was never challenged by much of the press because it told them what they wanted to know.

I'll be happy to post the article where this info came from if you care to read it.


The Lancelet was discredited as it never provided it's raw data and subseqently never passed peer review.

You can read about it here;

""The Lancet's Political Hit

Three weeks before the 2006 elections, the British medical journal Lancet published a bombshell report estimating that casualties in Iraq had exceeded 650,000 since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

It turns out the Lancet study was funded by anti-Bush partisans and conducted by antiwar activists posing as objective researchers. It also turns out the timing was no accident. You can find the fascinating details in the current issue of National Journal magazine, thanks to reporters Neil Munro and Carl Cannon.

The Lancet death toll was more than 10 times what had been estimated by the U.S. and Iraqi governments, and even by human rights groups. Asked about the study on the day it was released, President Bush said, "I don't consider it a credible report." Neither did the Pentagon and top British authorities. To put the 655,000 number in perspective, consider that fewer Americans died in the Civil War, our bloodiest conflict.

Skeptics at the time (including us) pointed to the Lancet study's manifold methodological flaws. The high body count was an extrapolation based on a sampling of households and locations that was far too small to render reliable results. What the National Journal adds is that the Lancet study was funded by billionaire George Soros's Open Society Institute. Mr. Soros is a famous critic of the Iraq campaign and well-known partisan, having spent tens of millions trying to defeat Mr. Bush in 2004.

But "Soros is not the only person associated with the Lancet study who had one eye on the data and the other on the U.S. political calendar," write Messrs. Munro and Cannon. Two co-authors, Gilbert Burnham and Les Roberts of Johns Hopkins University, told the reporters that they opposed the war from the outset and sent their report to the Lancet on the condition that it be published before the election.

Then there is Lancet Editor Richard Horton, "who agreed to rush the study into print, with an expedited peer review process and without seeing the surveyors' original data," report Mr. Munro and Mr. Cannon. He has also made no secret of his politics. "At a September 2006 rally in Manchester, England, Horton declared, 'This axis of Anglo-American imperialism extends its influence through war and conflict, gathering power and wealth as it goes, so millions of people are left to die in poverty and disease,'" they write. See YouTube for more.

We also learn that the key person involved in collecting the Lancet data was Iraqi researcher Riyadh Lafta, who has failed to follow the customary scientific practice of making his data available for inspection by other researchers. Mr. Lafta had been an official in Saddam's ministry of health when the dictator was attempting to end international sanctions against Iraq.

In other words, the Lancet study could hardly be more unreliable. Yet it was trumpeted by the political left because it fit a narrative that they wanted to believe. And it wasn't challenged by much of the press because it told them what they wanted to hear. The truth was irrelevant.""

Jul 23, 2012 1:14 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Albertaghost: The Lancelet was discredited as it never provided it's raw data and subseqently never passed peer review.

You can read about it here;


And in more detail here from the official 50 page document;

A small portion of the study into the structural problems of the Lancelet.

ETHICAL AND DATA-INTEGRITY PROBLEMS IN THE SECOND LANCET SURVEY OF MORTALITY IN IRAQ

""Cluster 33
The following anomaly was discovered by Olivier Degomme and Deberati Guha-Sapir of the Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED) in Belgium. They found that 24 people were killed by car bombs in July 2006 in a single cluster of the L2 dataset: Cluster 33 in Baghdad. 30 L2 field work finished on 10 July 2006. Therefore, these deaths must have occurred between 1 and 10 July 2006. During this time period, IBC recorded separate car bombings in which the number of people killed were 68, 17–19, 10–12, 6, 5 and fewer scattered through the neighbourhoods of Sadr City, Adhamiya, Jameela, Mansour and Al-Bayaa respectively, plus other places around Baghdad. It is crucial to note that, according to the L2 methodology, in each cluster a field team did interviews in 40 contiguous households. It is, therefore, exceptionally implausible that so many close neighbours could have been killed in multiple car bombings in different neighbourhoods of Baghdad within a single 10-day window. 31 Thus, the most favourable interpretation for L2 is that all 24 victims were killed in the very large car bombing in Sadr City on 1 July (BBC 2006) and so I will assume this.
The pictures at BBC (2006) show rather clearly that there was not a line of homes destroyed. 32 It would seem to be virtually impossible for a group of 24 people coming from 18 separate homes located more or less right next to each other to all have been walking around the market clustered so close to one another when the bomb exploded. It is hard to imagine how this could have happened unless this large group of people all set out together for the market and then circulated through the market doing their shopping while holding hands. It seems likely that all or most of these deaths in the L2 dataset are fabricated.
Recall the evidence already presented on security-caused failures to visit clusters, L2 versus IFHS. I argued that the L2 claim of 12 successful Baghdad visits in 12 attempts was highly unlikely given the 67.7% success rate in cluster visits of the IFHS in Baghdad. Cluster 33 adds a specifically suspicious cluster to the general cloud that hangs over all of L2’s Baghdad clusters in light of the IFHS.
It is important to see the anonymised interviewer IDs for all the clusters in L2 and to check the extent to which the same interviewers might have been involved in both cluster 33 as well as in other suspicious clusters, particularly in the governorates of Diyala, Al-Tameem, Al-Anbar, Nineveh and Salahuddin. Unfortunately, the L2 authors continue to withhold these data.""

Much more can be found here;

Jul 23, 2012 9:53 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
duckrew: Some interesting stats just came out you might be interested in. Seems like the Texas sales tax revenues are running $1.5 billion more than they were expected to. They say, the way things are going, the state of Texas will have an income, this year, of about $5 billion dollars more than expected due to the increased revenue coming in because of our robust economy. Just more facts for you to ignore since they don't agree with what you want them to.


I would say that has much more to do with the copious volumes of oil, and rising global prices, than it does with politics.
Jul 23, 2012 7:47 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Rumple4skin: I would say that has much more to do with the copious volumes of oil, and rising global prices, than it does with politics.


There is no sales tax on oil and, as far as prices have changed, they're only up a few percentage points and, since our sales tax isn't on everything, the increase in prices wouldn't make that much difference. There are people moving here from other states, so this is an additional source of revenue. I have some new neighbors that say they "escaped" from California. I know some realtors and they say that there are 8,000 new condos and apartments scheduled for construction this year in this county. There is a new business moving here from outside Texas, that's a $100,000,000 drug company investment. I travel as much as I can and I'm seeing this all over Texas. There's even talk of opening a privately run rocket launching facility at the tip of Texas, hasn't been decided yet but it has a good chance due to the southern tip being farther south than other locations and the nearness of the Houston NASA center.
Jul 24, 2012 4:39 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Both are back into campaign mode......

So?

President Obama warned Syrian President Assad that he should not use
chemical weapons on his people. Or? Or? Or?

President Assad had already said that the deployment of chemical weapons to the borders of his country was to "meet a invasion".

But now having remove US combat forces from Iraq, the US President warning not to use chemical weapons on his people has about much punch to it playful kitten taking a swipe at a ball of string. Preisdent Assad is sitting Damascus high on the man made hill that over looks the city in his Palace and laughing at the warning.

He is already dropping daisy cutters into the SFA urban held areas from helos. The US Army uses daisy cutters to clear heavily forested areas. Few would consider using a daisy cutter on a urban area.
So Assad using chemical weapons on his people is well within the
possibilities here.

But the other question is. There is zero to back up the President's warning. Having already said....we are only going to supply non lethal aid to the SFA.....it is time to toss the kitten out and see if what happens.

Like NATO will come into this. Not on your life, will NATO vote to enter the Syrian civil war. Like the Arab League will come into this.
They were the one asking for the UN Peace keepers. The UN blocked by China and Russia so badly that a colotic will take months to clear it.

Right now all you have from the west and the Arab Leagues is more rhetoric while Assad's people loosen the chemical artillery shells from their containers.

And our President is waving red, white and blue warning don't do it.
This was a free pass for vote gaining as being a 'tough President'.
But nothing more.

A recent poll out....has military supporting Romney 59% to 36% for Obama. That is a military that had him for commander in chief for
4 years. Somehow I don't think a match was made in heaven was made between President Obama and the military. They have seen their budget slashed. Their new advanced programs killed. And their Marines sent on a surge to Afghanistan to kick over poppies plants.

So don't count the Military vote in November, President Obama.....

But just returning to Syrian bio and chemcial weapons for a moment.
Suddenly Assad has the largest supply of biologic and chemical agents in the middle east. How did he acquire it? Either Russia broke some
international rules on exporting WMDs. Iran broke some rules on exporting WMDs. Or Sadam Hussien sent Assad the weapons back during the US 2002 invasion.

Our President doesnot seem to be to interested is finding out how they were acquired. But if you can prove Russia or Iran sent them, seems to me that it make a interesting New York Time article. But if our old friend Sadam sent them, seems to me the entire liberal world owes GWB one big apology.
Jul 24, 2012 7:34 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
With Hope and Change now giving 1 in 6 American pressed into a the poverty level of the country. We find that net worth of CANadians now has surpassed that of AMERicans. Yes in a recent study the net worth of CANadians is valued at $360,000 per individual, while the net worth of AMERican has fallen to $320,000 per perosn.

This was due largely because the CANadians did not need to have their
properties reappraised when DEM Barney Frank felt it was time to
adjust the property values in the country. CANadian kept their property values! While AMERicans lost property value.

Good old Barney Frank looking out for the welfare of so many. But the question needs to be asked. Since the two economies of so interlinked and connected. Why did CANada not need this same economic adjustment back in 2007? Maybe because CANada did not have a coming Presidential election in which a failing economy would profit a certain Barack Obama.

Barney Frank decision to reappraise the property values of American business and homes has cost the country and its citizens billions.
If it was all done to place Barack Obama into the Oval Office.....Americans need to remember that this November. Not only they face the a massive tax increase from President's Obama's ACA.....they literally have had house and home foreclosed and
taken because of the DEM fiscal policies of 2007-8.

Governor Romney had nothing ....absolutely nothing to do with the 2007 failing of the American economy. He was not employed at Bain Captol.
Nor was he Governor of Massachuetes. He had just ended a failed campaign against John McCain when this happened.

So whether you blame Bush still for the 2007 melt down.....some of your heat needs to be pointed at the DEM and Barack Obama that had much more to do with the fiscal melt down of the country in 2007 as a US Senator than Governor Romney.

If Romney chooses a Tea Party VP....as many think he should.....then you have new age REP economic thinking coming into the White House and Senate. The VP heads the Senate. What we have had for the last four years in Senate leadership is Joe Biden's rhino leadership of earmarks and song and dancing with Harry Reid's budgetless Senate.

Joe Biden needs to take some responsibility for the country not having a budget for the last four years. He can pretend to be a hard hat in Scranton, PA, but his real day job is in the Senate. Here he has shown little leadership. Not in the ACA, not in making a budget and not in
placing 4b per day in debt on the American tax payer.

Had they made the budget, do you think that 4b in debt per day could have been rung up? No, the budget was left undone simply so spending at a fast and furious rate could be done. The budget and the Senate rules, would have restricted the spending.

With 38 cents of every dollar the US government spends coming from foreign investors (e.g. China) having a budget would have complicated the fiscal misuse that the DEMs wanted the past four years. Well they got it.

Many of the world's premier economists (are now saying they have driven the car off the cliff. They (Schiff, Roubini, Faber and others) predicted the 2008 meltdown and see nothing but the same coming soon.
That is what DEM economic leadership has led us to. It falls right on the shoulders of Joe Biden, Harry Reid, and Barack Obama. Who could not control government spending while in office.

If Americans cannot take their ire and anger out on the President this November. They deserve what they get when the taxes of the ACA hit in 2014. They deserve what they will get when economy collapses in 2013. They deserve to have less networth as this country moves to socialism.
Romney is the answer and the only answer here.

Part one
Jul 24, 2012 8:09 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Albertaghost: Well, from a Dane who doesn't know squat you just called a majority of Canadians wrong. And your qualifications to critique an entire nation without basic knowledge of it comes from where?


There are ordinary Danes.
And then there are Great Danes.
Neither knows anything at all about politics in the US or Canada.
The former know how to speak Danish.
The latter can only howl at the moon.

The first thing is to determine which sort of Dane you're talking with. It's easy enough to find out.
Jul 24, 2012 8:09 AM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Part two

Barack Obama goes to India with 100 Leading American CEOs. They come out of Indian with a measely $10b deal. Mitt Romney takes the same 100 leading CEOs to India, they will write $100b in foreign deals for American businesses.

That is the difference between a Barack Obama and a Mitt Romney, when it comes to foreign investment and deal making.

To get these foreign deals, the Obama administration had to give foreign companies investment and start up capitol from the Stimulus package that was for American firms. That is how the Finnish electric auto maker gets a $1b loan to compete with American automakers.

Economically the logic here is very similar to shooting yourself in one foot while the other foot is amputated. Then thinking tomorrow, I will run a marathon.

DEM New York Senator Chuck Schumer said this...."79% of the 3b in stimulus capitol for innovation and startup made available for American firms went to foreign firms." on the Senate floor. The reason? Barack Obama was buying foreign deals with the stimulus moneys legislated for American firms.

Had they had a Presidential signed budget in the Senate, making these foreign investments from the stimulus money, just became illegal. That is why you don't have a budget in the Senate and for no other reason.
Does it make any sense now? Starting to? Not having a Budget gave them the flexibility to make foreign deals. Deals not necessarily helping Americans or American firms. But to help foreign liberal supporters that had donated to Barack Obama 2008 campaign.

So it is laughable to hear the DEM say...."we want the US Olympic committee to burn those China made uniforms" when they are investing billions into foreign firms to compete with American firms. It is also one of the perhaps the saddest things of this Administration, when the countries unemployment hangs at over 8% and 1 in 6 is in poverty.

For they have so misused the fiscal empowerment of their offices, to cause the country to be at this 2013 economic cliff, predicted by the economic experts mentioned earlier. They got foreign investment into the country. Most went into the American government. In 2008 foreign investment in American business and property had surges to $361b. In
2009 it fell to $269b. Foreign investment into the American government does little to employ Americans. It just goes into the general fund and is spent on the earmark programs.

You may not like Mitt Romney. But right now he is the only real hope to change the countries direction. He will do it on day one with the ACA being revoked. On day two with a VP pushing a budget thru the Senate. On day three with foreign investment into American firms and not the American government.

End of part two
Jul 25, 2012 6:44 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Just thought I would drop in to share this.....

While the President was in Colorado to meeting the victims of the Batman shooting......his campaign was adveristing a local event (next Saturday) for Michelle Obama in Kissimmee, FL....advertised as the "Twice as much Fun" and a "Weekend of Action" and "you will be able to do twice as much" and to have "twice the fun together"...so participants are invited to bring a friend.

So back to the campaign.....and the victims of Aurora shooting have not been buried yet.

Just a little insensitive.......me thinks.


Good to see you TT and wish you a great vacation cheers

And... says the guy whose greatest "Hero" of all time Ate FAT cake to gether with THAT old war monger dude and laughed out loud, while New orleans was under water and human being died and parished while THE most stupid Bushney,s beleived what happened to them was the will of "gud" because of New orleans way of life and because Hagee ordered them to beleive! mumbling doh
Jul 25, 2012 6:49 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Ccincy: Al wasn't making fun of me.He just wants me to post figures about how many were killed in the wars and I refuse to post figures which I don't trust.I'm smart enough to know that our government doesn't give us accurrant numbers of people who were killed.Anyone with any sense at all would realize that.Some people just like to argue about something that we'll learn about from our own government.
Yeah... unfortunatily the truth is out there.. but never totaly aviable dunno
Jul 25, 2012 6:52 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Rumple4skin: I would say that has much more to do with the copious volumes of oil, and rising global prices, than it does with politics.
Bulls eye cheers
Jul 25, 2012 7:07 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
The most interesting part of ur post TT is your as usual trying to connect any evil thing out there with OWS and so on who are on the streets fighting against what ever the dang GOP stands for, and your personal fight for cleaning dirty hands of radical ultra right wingers of America, and their anti democracy and anti american ideology! doh

The whole thing could happen less often in America is those stupid ultra right winger friends of urs, had decency enough to cooporate a bout less weapons on the streets of America or at least less automatic guns and stuff!

Some too many Freaking mental cases got huge arsenals of guns and explosives all over America, or can get it just like that... and then expecting horrible happenings like the Batman massacre will not happen is only hallicunation!

It is a bout time politicising this tragedy and demanding law makers of the country stop allowing the damn GOP, holding the whole country as hostige!
Jul 25, 2012 7:16 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Both are back into campaign mode......

So?

President Obama warned Syrian President Assad that he should not use
chemical weapons on his people. Or? Or? Or?

President Assad had already said that the deployment of chemical weapons to the borders of his country was to "meet a invasion".

But now having remove US combat forces from Iraq, the US President warning not to use chemical weapons on his people has about much punch to it playful kitten taking a swipe at a ball of string. Preisdent Assad is sitting Damascus high on the man made hill that over looks the city in his Palace and laughing at the warning.

He is already dropping daisy cutters into the SFA urban held areas from helos. The US Army uses daisy cutters to clear heavily forested areas. Few would consider using a daisy cutter on a urban area.
So Assad using chemical weapons on his people is well within the
possibilities here.

But the other question is. There is zero to back up the President's warning. Having already said....we are only going to supply non lethal aid to the SFA.....it is time to toss the kitten out and see if what happens.

Like NATO will come into this. Not on your life, will NATO vote to enter the Syrian civil war. Like the Arab League will come into this.
They were the one asking for the UN Peace keepers. The UN blocked by China and Russia so badly that a colotic will take months to clear it.

Right now all you have from the west and the Arab Leagues is more rhetoric while Assad's people loosen the chemical artillery shells from their containers.

And our President is waving red, white and blue warning don't do it.
This was a free pass for vote gaining as being a 'tough President'.
But nothing more.

A recent poll out....has military supporting Romney 59% to 36% for Obama. That is a military that had him for commander in chief for
4 years. Somehow I don't think a match was made in heaven was made between President Obama and the military. They have seen their budget slashed. Their new advanced programs killed. And their Marines sent on a surge to Afghanistan to kick over poppies plants.

So don't count the Military vote in November, President Obama.....

But just returning to Syrian bio and chemcial weapons for a moment.
Suddenly Assad has the largest supply of biologic and chemical agents in the middle east. How did he acquire it? Either Russia broke some
international rules on exporting WMDs. Iran broke some rules on exporting WMDs. Or Sadam Hussien sent Assad the weapons back during the US 2002 invasion.

Our President doesnot seem to be to interested is finding out how they were acquired. But if you can prove Russia or Iran sent them, seems to me that it make a interesting New York Time article. But if our old friend Sadam sent them, seems to me the entire liberal world owes GWB one big apology.


And the poll you Calim does not even Exist mister propoganda,... you should better write " I wish", after that false info tongue
Jul 25, 2012 7:39 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: The most interesting part of ur post TT is your as usual trying to connect any evil thing out there with OWS and so on who are on the streets fighting against what ever the dang GOP stands for, and your personal fight for cleaning dirty hands of radical ultra right wingers of America, and their anti democracy and anti american ideology!

The whole thing could happen less often in America is those stupid ultra right winger friends of urs, had decency enough to cooporate a bout less weapons on the streets of America or at least less automatic guns and stuff!

Some too many Freaking mental cases got huge arsenals of guns and explosives all over America, or can get it just like that... and then expecting horrible happenings like the Batman massacre will not happen is only hallicunation!

It is a bout time politicising this tragedy and demanding law makers of the country stop allowing the damn GOP, holding the whole country as hostige!


The five in Cleveland were members of the local OWS. One has pleaded guilty to the charges. And the FBI had a undercover agent in the group.....so when the FED Prosecutor says they were OWS anarchist.....
pretty good chance they are OWS anarchists.

How much more evidence do you want? You have a quilty plea. The testimony of a FBI agent. The statement of the Fed Prosecutor. Not to mention the fake explosive planted and triggered at the bridge's supports. Amazing.....and still the OWS is innocent in Dude opinion.
Jul 25, 2012 7:47 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: The most interesting part of ur post TT is your as usual trying to connect any evil thing out there with OWS and so on who are on the streets fighting against what ever the dang GOP stands for, and your personal fight for cleaning dirty hands of radical ultra right wingers of America, and their anti democracy and anti american ideology!

The whole thing could happen less often in America is those stupid ultra right winger friends of urs, had decency enough to cooporate a bout less weapons on the streets of America or at least less automatic guns and stuff!

Some too many Freaking mental cases got huge arsenals of guns and explosives all over America, or can get it just like that... and then expecting horrible happenings like the Batman massacre will not happen is only hallicunation!

It is a bout time politicising this tragedy and demanding law makers of the country stop allowing the damn GOP, holding the whole country as hostige!


James Holmes is no right wing loon, Dude. In one of his profiles he said....he is a "mid road". But I don't think so. He is left loon.
I have read net rumors that he vote DEM in last election and was a member of the OWS. Nothing is confirmed yet. So I call them what they are.
Jul 25, 2012 8:31 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: And the poll you Calim does not even Exist mister propoganda,... you should better write " I wish", after that false info


rolling on the floor laughing doh

""Sunday, July 22, 2012

Most military veterans don’t like the job President Obama is doing and prefer Mitt Romney in November’s election.

New Rasmussen Reports polling finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters who have served in the military favor the Republican challenger, while 35% support the president. Five percent (5%) of these voters like some other candidate in the race, but only two percent (2%) are undecided.

The national telephone survey of 574 Voters who have served in the military was conducted by Rasmussen Reports from July 9-15, 2012. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 4 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology. ""

professor
Jul 25, 2012 10:07 PM CST Obama or Romney? That is the Question!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Thanks Albert....Dude consistency in finding uTube DEM "facts" while not being able to find hardline REP stats and polls has always been of interest to me......grin

I had heard the poll figure on _ _ _ Channel....I hated to bring the network name up......it causes so much grief here.grin
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