Do you think China will cease its occupation of Tibet (61)
robplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 PostsYes but Taoistism is not consistent with the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism, it is considered my some as a gross distortion of the Teachings of the Buddha
rizlared: .... so by your logic (sic) Tibet stretches from India to past Korea
Do we have to free them all???
aquarian1: China's ambition extend far beyond Tibet. You have to know the history ...well beyond the limited diktats and confines of 'communism' !
Its the way they are ..mindset.
Its the way they are ..mindset.
I disagree. Maybe thirty years ago. Today I think they realise that they are on the verge of being a global financial superpower far greater than any others.
They won't let that slip by something stupid like an attempt to expand their borders beyond what they already are. Afterall - they can economically expand their borders around all of Asia without firing a single bullet.
The US knows this as well and this is why when it comes to relations with China the US spends a lot of time in talks with Australia, because we have had peacefull relations and extensive trade with China for the last forty years.
lifeisadream: Do we have to free them all???
After we do free Tibet of course!
Foxxie: I disagree. Maybe thirty years ago. Today I think they realise that they are on the verge of being a global financial superpower far greater than any others.
They won't let that slip by something stupid like an attempt to expand their borders beyond what they already are. Afterall - they can economically expand their borders around all of Asia without firing a single bullet.
The US knows this as well and this is why when it comes to relations with China the US spends a lot of time in talks with Australia, because we have had peacefull relations and extensive trade with China for the last forty years.
They won't let that slip by something stupid like an attempt to expand their borders beyond what they already are. Afterall - they can economically expand their borders around all of Asia without firing a single bullet.
The US knows this as well and this is why when it comes to relations with China the US spends a lot of time in talks with Australia, because we have had peacefull relations and extensive trade with China for the last forty years.
I am inclined to agree with you, my understanding is that China (The Chinese government) wants what they consider is theirs but have no interest in other countries other than to build up trade. They need that trade to give employment to the masses.
China is getting very friendly with countries like the African nations and India, and to a degree Europe, these re the places where they want new customers.
It is interesting to me, that when I give lectures and advice to students wanting to learn outside of China, I have found America is losing ground to Canada, the UK and Europe as a whole, only 3 years ago America was always top of their list.
rizlared: Instead of calling me names, how about proving your claim that China never controlled/owned Tibet??
Oh sorry I forgot you can't!!
How about this proven fact: in 1904 the British attacked and took control of Tibet, in 1906 The British government sold Tibet to China. The UK then accepted that China had complete rule over Tibet and that Tibet belonged to mainland China.
Real facts Rob, not some rant and not irrelevant posts about Buddhism.
And for once, please, read my posts, no where have I said I agree with the Chinese position regarding Tibet, I have just posted the opposing views as seen by the majority of Chinese people, as an answer to the original question asked.
Oh sorry I forgot you can't!!
How about this proven fact: in 1904 the British attacked and took control of Tibet, in 1906 The British government sold Tibet to China. The UK then accepted that China had complete rule over Tibet and that Tibet belonged to mainland China.
Real facts Rob, not some rant and not irrelevant posts about Buddhism.
And for once, please, read my posts, no where have I said I agree with the Chinese position regarding Tibet, I have just posted the opposing views as seen by the majority of Chinese people, as an answer to the original question asked.
I mentioned some of this in the the 4th post on this thread but sadly the O/P just closes his mind to facts that do not fit in with his preconceived ideas. Obviously the fact that you live in China gives you no factual knowledge whatsoever. I would be delighted to see Tibet as independant and the Dali Lama return home but facts are facts. That is why I said it is not straight forward as to class this as an occupation.
yeah and younghusband again went into with tinpot army, the english even packed in an Austan 7 car which Dalai Lama pulled apart and put together again. Tibet was not the UK's to sell to anybody never was and never will be
my beef with your posts is your constant refusal to understand Tibet was never part of China. Just read Dalai Lamas explanation and you might understand the Tibetan side of the situation.
If you dive even deeper you'd find China had some sort of defence pack with Tibet, just like Australia has with Indonesia, America, Singapore, NZ, UK and others.
Tibet has never been part of China,
my beef with your posts is your constant refusal to understand Tibet was never part of China. Just read Dalai Lamas explanation and you might understand the Tibetan side of the situation.
If you dive even deeper you'd find China had some sort of defence pack with Tibet, just like Australia has with Indonesia, America, Singapore, NZ, UK and others.
Tibet has never been part of China,
i did nothing of the kind
i explained what i understand and also posted what Dalai Lama understands
Try reading the Dalai Lamas view:
China, as our Eastern neighbour, has had relations with Tibet for almost 2000 years. In the early days, Tibet was a very powerful nation. Many times it invaded certain parts of China. Then, when Tibet became weak, the Chinese became stronger, and position was reversed. In the spiritual field, we had stronger ties. During the period that the Mongols were emperors of China, the spiritual relations were genuine. During the Manchu dynasy, again there were spiritual ties. On one occasion, the Manchu emperor genuinely wanted to receive the Dalai Lama as a high lama. But some Chinese advised the emperor not to receive him. This shows that despite some genuine spiritual feelings, there was some kind of political thinking or chauvinism. In the Chinese records, they have deliberately tried to achieve more influence. Because of this, they regard Tibet as a subject of their emperor.
i explained what i understand and also posted what Dalai Lama understands
Try reading the Dalai Lamas view:
China, as our Eastern neighbour, has had relations with Tibet for almost 2000 years. In the early days, Tibet was a very powerful nation. Many times it invaded certain parts of China. Then, when Tibet became weak, the Chinese became stronger, and position was reversed. In the spiritual field, we had stronger ties. During the period that the Mongols were emperors of China, the spiritual relations were genuine. During the Manchu dynasy, again there were spiritual ties. On one occasion, the Manchu emperor genuinely wanted to receive the Dalai Lama as a high lama. But some Chinese advised the emperor not to receive him. This shows that despite some genuine spiritual feelings, there was some kind of political thinking or chauvinism. In the Chinese records, they have deliberately tried to achieve more influence. Because of this, they regard Tibet as a subject of their emperor.
Rob, you are quoting from a biased website, they are not giving a balanced argument, just saying what they want people know, exactly the same as some sites in China.
I have read details from the Lamas point of view, in fact I quoted him as saying he understood Tibet was part of China, and that he does NOT want independence from mainland China, but wants a greater autonomy and control.
Please, if you have verifiable facts that China's claim on Tibet is false, then post them here, I am certain that many including myself, would love to finalise this problem.
I await these proven facts with bated breath, as will the rest of the world.
I have read details from the Lamas point of view, in fact I quoted him as saying he understood Tibet was part of China, and that he does NOT want independence from mainland China, but wants a greater autonomy and control.
Please, if you have verifiable facts that China's claim on Tibet is false, then post them here, I am certain that many including myself, would love to finalise this problem.
I await these proven facts with bated breath, as will the rest of the world.
do most of the chinese go by the ''little red book''...??
rizlared: I have read details from the Lamas point of view, in fact I quoted him as saying he understood Tibet was part of China, and that he does NOT want independence from mainland China, but wants a greater autonomy and control.
In a speech delivered by a tibetan lama I heard the same.
He also said other arguments, that Tibetans do not want roads and other innovations brought by the Chinese, on which I reserve my opinion. All that the Chinese just want Tibet's mineral resources is simplistic because even if there weren't Chinese in Tibet also would have established large Western mining companies, very capable of shooting down any Tibetan government to achieve this.
That is a transcript of an interview with Dalai Lama, not someone else's view, its the Dalai Lamas own words
China will never give up Tibet,chinesse army is already making a tunnel in Pakistan province GILGIT BALTISTAN for access to Afghanistan and they are making dam in pakistan Kasmir.They also got the hold of Gawadar port of pakistan in papers where world 60 percent supply of oil runs through that water region,i tell you they are doing every thing calm quitely and peace fully for future challenges
Boban1: Guess you`re the only one...
Believe me my friend terrible things are going to happen in south asia in future because gold,dimonds,oil,gas and other minrals have been found here
Jack68: Believe me my friend terrible things are going to happen in south asia in future because gold,dimonds,oil,gas and other minrals have been found here
And what, Hillary is gonna save the day???
We have story here whick i listened from our elders that there is a nation behind the great wall who like to eat men,womans and stones.And they do lick the great wall every day to enter in this world to eat human being but when the wall become thin less than inch by licking them they get fed up and they said we will lick this wall next day but next day wall comes to its original shape
Yes Jack its coming, did you know Pakistan has a mutual defence treaty with china already?
robplum: Yes Jack its coming, did you know Pakistan has a mutual defence treaty with china already?
I dont know because they never declared it in the press.Jack68: I dont know because they never declared it in the press.
yes it was Jack, Pakistan has even agreed to support China in any attack on Taiwan however online news details of the agreement between the two countries have become scares
The People’s Republic of China enjoys strong defense ties with Pakistan. This relationship between two neighboring Asian countries is important in the world’s geo-strategic alliances. In recent years this relationship has strengthened through ongoing defence projects and agreements between Pakistan and China.
Posted 01 April 2003 - 07:24 PM
Pakistan, China sign defence agreement
BEIJING: China and Pakistan on Tuesday signed an agreement of bilateral cooperation in the fields of defence industry and technology.
Pakistan’s recent decision to transfer Gwadar port’s operational control from Port Singapore Authority to a Chinese company has geo economic implications.
and
Both Pakistan and China seek to export the JF17 Thunder fighter jet that is powered by Russian engine and is currently being jointly produced at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra. In long term, Kamra could well witness Pak-China-Russia joint development/production of fighter aircraft under transfer of technology program.
COLOMBO: Chinese Defence Minister Liang Guanglie says Beijing's increasingly close ties with South Asia are aimed at ensuring regional "security and stability" and are not intended to harm any "third party".
Liang, the first Chinese defence minister to visit Sri Lanka, did not name India -- where he heads to Sunday -- but officials in New Delhi have expressed concerns about Beijing's influence in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Maldives, Nepal and Pakistan.
robplum: yes it was Jack, Pakistan has even agreed to support China in any attack on Taiwan however online news details of the agreement between the two countries have become scaresThe People’s Republic of China enjoys strong defense ties with Pakistan. This relationship between two neighboring Asian countries is important in the world’s geo-strategic alliances. In recent years this relationship has strengthened through ongoing defence projects and agreements between Pakistan and China.
01 April 2003 - 07:24 PM
Pakistan, China sign defence agreement
BEIJING: China and Pakistan on Tuesday signed an agreement of bilateral cooperation in the fields of defence industry and technology.
Pakistan’s recent decision to transfer Gwadar port’s operational control from Port Singapore Authority to a Chinese company has geo economic implications.
and
Both Pakistan and China seek to export the JF17 Thunder fighter jet that is powered by Russian engine and is currently being jointly produced at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra. In long term, Kamra could well witness Pak-China-Russia joint development/production of fighter aircraft under transfer of technology program.
Chinese Defence Minister Liang Guanglie says Beijing's increasingly close ties with South Asia are aimed at ensuring regional "security and stability" and are not intended to harm any "third party".
Liang, the first Chinese defence minister to visit Sri Lanka, did not name India -- where he heads to Sunday -- but officials in New Delhi have expressed concerns about Beijing's influence in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Maldives, Nepal and Pakistan.
Thanks for providing links to the sites.Now along with China,PAKISTAN is going under Russian infulance.Pakistan army chief is expecting an offical visit to Russia this week and PUTIN will come to Pakistan next month.Do you think Obama should change policies about Pakistan and provide us Drown plane that we can use them by ourself against terrorist in tribal areas.Last week US provided us PC 3 ORION air craft so why not those Drown planes.01 April 2003 - 07:24 PM
Pakistan, China sign defence agreement
BEIJING: China and Pakistan on Tuesday signed an agreement of bilateral cooperation in the fields of defence industry and technology.
Pakistan’s recent decision to transfer Gwadar port’s operational control from Port Singapore Authority to a Chinese company has geo economic implications.
and
Both Pakistan and China seek to export the JF17 Thunder fighter jet that is powered by Russian engine and is currently being jointly produced at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra. In long term, Kamra could well witness Pak-China-Russia joint development/production of fighter aircraft under transfer of technology program.
Chinese Defence Minister Liang Guanglie says Beijing's increasingly close ties with South Asia are aimed at ensuring regional "security and stability" and are not intended to harm any "third party".
Liang, the first Chinese defence minister to visit Sri Lanka, did not name India -- where he heads to Sunday -- but officials in New Delhi have expressed concerns about Beijing's influence in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Maldives, Nepal and Pakistan.
oh i think there is a quite big question mark regarding alliances, Pakistan appears to weight heavily towards its relationship with China, North Korea and Iran, which raises some eye brows.
From a Commonwealth Country prospective I think Pakistan's increased defence association with China is in some ways a surprise.
That a Pakistani shared nuclear technical developments with Iran a few years ago; bit of a worry.
Pakistan's inability to contain the more outrageous militants is of course a worry to neighbors like India. Its democratic processes seems bit strained and the recent and not so recent assassinations hasn't displayed Governments as having a lot of control, which leads to concern in some quarters about the countries nuclear arms security
Then there is a lot of concern about the miss handling of flood victims welfare, human rights of the Christians and supply routes into Afghanistan etc...
From a Commonwealth Country prospective I think Pakistan's increased defence association with China is in some ways a surprise.
That a Pakistani shared nuclear technical developments with Iran a few years ago; bit of a worry.
Pakistan's inability to contain the more outrageous militants is of course a worry to neighbors like India. Its democratic processes seems bit strained and the recent and not so recent assassinations hasn't displayed Governments as having a lot of control, which leads to concern in some quarters about the countries nuclear arms security
Then there is a lot of concern about the miss handling of flood victims welfare, human rights of the Christians and supply routes into Afghanistan etc...
robplum: oh i think there is a quite big question mark regarding alliances, Pakistan appears to weight heavily towards its relationship with China, North Korea and Iran, which raises some eye brows.
From a Commonwealth Country prospective I think Pakistan's increased defence association with China is in some ways a surprise.
That a Pakistani shared nuclear technical developments with Iran a few years ago; bit of a worry.
Pakistan's inability to contain the more outrageous militants is of course a worry to neighbors like India. Its democratic processes seems bit strained and the recent and not so recent assassinations hasn't displayed Governments as having a lot of control, which leads to concern in some quarters about the countries nuclear arms security
Then there is a lot of concern about the miss handling of flood victims welfare, human rights of the Christians and supply routes into Afghanistan etc...
the Militancy in Pakistan ought to worry China as well!From a Commonwealth Country prospective I think Pakistan's increased defence association with China is in some ways a surprise.
That a Pakistani shared nuclear technical developments with Iran a few years ago; bit of a worry.
Pakistan's inability to contain the more outrageous militants is of course a worry to neighbors like India. Its democratic processes seems bit strained and the recent and not so recent assassinations hasn't displayed Governments as having a lot of control, which leads to concern in some quarters about the countries nuclear arms security
Then there is a lot of concern about the miss handling of flood victims welfare, human rights of the Christians and supply routes into Afghanistan etc...
Yeah but the Chinese aren't all that fussy who they run with, didn't mind Pal Pot... yes the Taliban were educated in Pakistan before going into and taking over Afghanistan.
In my mind there is some good thinking people in Pakistan however its so fractured nobody has ever been able to maintain peace within Pakistan.
Sadly it is the types of karma, the views promoted there and elsewhere, produce, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq and others continue
In my mind there is some good thinking people in Pakistan however its so fractured nobody has ever been able to maintain peace within Pakistan.
Sadly it is the types of karma, the views promoted there and elsewhere, produce, the war in Afghanistan, Iraq and others continue
on and on
UPDATE 1-Japan buys disputed islands, China sends patrol ships
UPDATE 1-Japan buys disputed islands, China sends patrol ships
this is the sort of complete stupidity china is engaged in
after murdering the last two Panchen Lamas the last being GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA His Holiness the 11th Panchen Lama
The chinese lunatic government pull this stunt (which i assure you is utter crap, complete stupidity, an impossibility)
this stunt
The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu offers a lamp at the main shrine of the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet autonomous region, July 26, 2012. The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu visited the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute on Thursday.
The institute, Tibet's only regional-level buddhist theological academy, is located in the township of Nyetang, Quxu County, which is administered by Lhasa.
Featuring a distinctive Tibetan architecture style, the institute opened in Oct 2011 and has 150 students including living Buddhas and monks from various Tibetan Buddhist sects.
After performing the head-touching ritual to bless the students, the Panchen Lama asked the students to promote Buddhism, abide by national laws and better serve the country and its people.
"I hope you can make good use of the sound learning conditions that the institute provides to learn the essence of Buddhism and safeguard our country and serve its people, so as to be the true Buddhists," the Panchen Lama said.
The Panchen Lama began this year's Lhasa visit on Monday. He visited Jokhang Temple - the most revered monastery in "holy city" Lhasa - on Tuesday, paying homage to statues of Buddhas and leading a prayer service.
In 1995, at the age of six, he was chosen as the reincarnation of the 10th Panchen Erdeni in Jokhang through the traditional method of drawing lots from a
golden urn.
after murdering the last two Panchen Lamas the last being GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA His Holiness the 11th Panchen Lama
The chinese lunatic government pull this stunt (which i assure you is utter crap, complete stupidity, an impossibility)
this stunt
The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu offers a lamp at the main shrine of the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet autonomous region, July 26, 2012. The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu visited the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute on Thursday.
The institute, Tibet's only regional-level buddhist theological academy, is located in the township of Nyetang, Quxu County, which is administered by Lhasa.
Featuring a distinctive Tibetan architecture style, the institute opened in Oct 2011 and has 150 students including living Buddhas and monks from various Tibetan Buddhist sects.
After performing the head-touching ritual to bless the students, the Panchen Lama asked the students to promote Buddhism, abide by national laws and better serve the country and its people.
"I hope you can make good use of the sound learning conditions that the institute provides to learn the essence of Buddhism and safeguard our country and serve its people, so as to be the true Buddhists," the Panchen Lama said.
The Panchen Lama began this year's Lhasa visit on Monday. He visited Jokhang Temple - the most revered monastery in "holy city" Lhasa - on Tuesday, paying homage to statues of Buddhas and leading a prayer service.
In 1995, at the age of six, he was chosen as the reincarnation of the 10th Panchen Erdeni in Jokhang through the traditional method of drawing lots from a
golden urn. robplum: this is the sort of complete stupidity china is engaged in
after murdering the last two Panchen Lamas the last being GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA His Holiness the 11th Panchen Lama
The chinese lunatic government pull this stunt (which i assure you is utter crap, complete stupidity, an impossibility)
this stunt
The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu offers a lamp at the main shrine of the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet autonomous region, July 26, 2012. The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu visited the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute on Thursday.
The institute, Tibet's only regional-level buddhist theological academy, is located in the township of Nyetang, Quxu County, which is administered by Lhasa.
Featuring a distinctive Tibetan architecture style, the institute opened in Oct 2011 and has 150 students including living Buddhas and monks from various Tibetan Buddhist sects.
After performing the head-touching ritual to bless the students, the Panchen Lama asked the students to promote Buddhism, abide by national laws and better serve the country and its people.
"I hope you can make good use of the sound learning conditions that the institute provides to learn the essence of Buddhism and safeguard our country and serve its people, so as to be the true Buddhists," the Panchen Lama said.
The Panchen Lama began this year's Lhasa visit on Monday. He visited Jokhang Temple - the most revered monastery in "holy city" Lhasa - on Tuesday, paying homage to statues of Buddhas and leading a prayer service.
In 1995, at the age of six, he was chosen as the reincarnation of the 10th Panchen Erdeni in Jokhang through the traditional method of drawing lots from a golden urn.
after murdering the last two Panchen Lamas the last being GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA His Holiness the 11th Panchen Lama
The chinese lunatic government pull this stunt (which i assure you is utter crap, complete stupidity, an impossibility)
this stunt
The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu offers a lamp at the main shrine of the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute in Lhasa, capital of southwest China's Tibet autonomous region, July 26, 2012. The 11th Panchen Lama Bainqen Erdini Qoigyijabu visited the Tibet Buddhist Theological Institute on Thursday.
The institute, Tibet's only regional-level buddhist theological academy, is located in the township of Nyetang, Quxu County, which is administered by Lhasa.
Featuring a distinctive Tibetan architecture style, the institute opened in Oct 2011 and has 150 students including living Buddhas and monks from various Tibetan Buddhist sects.
After performing the head-touching ritual to bless the students, the Panchen Lama asked the students to promote Buddhism, abide by national laws and better serve the country and its people.
"I hope you can make good use of the sound learning conditions that the institute provides to learn the essence of Buddhism and safeguard our country and serve its people, so as to be the true Buddhists," the Panchen Lama said.
The Panchen Lama began this year's Lhasa visit on Monday. He visited Jokhang Temple - the most revered monastery in "holy city" Lhasa - on Tuesday, paying homage to statues of Buddhas and leading a prayer service.
In 1995, at the age of six, he was chosen as the reincarnation of the 10th Panchen Erdeni in Jokhang through the traditional method of drawing lots from a golden urn.
Not only is your post almost unintelligibly, disjointed and at best poorly written,it contains a completely unsubstantiated statement, highlighted.
Show proof that GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA has been murdered or even dead. You can't no one knows, so why make such a stupid remark, all it does is weaken your whole defence of Tibet.
GEDHUN CHOEKYI NYIMA, was taken into custody together with his immediate family, mother, father, etc by the Chinese, as they believed he was not the chosen one and was in danger for his life, he is supposed to be now attending his last year in College, according to the Chinese Central Government.
Whether this is true or not is another question, one that I have deep doubts about,but while most of the west are keeping an open mind as to what has happened to the Panchen Lama, to just post he has been murdered without any evidence whatsoever is just plain ignorant and shows why you refuse to accept there is more to the Tibet question than just making the Chinese government give it back.
Then your calling President Hu a lair, because he publicly stated on our TV that the Panchen's cook mistakenly put arsenic in his dumplings
Don't know why you keep firing cheap shots, i post what i beleive to be truthful and note you continue to remain in denial about the reality of what went and is going on, how much do they pay you to do that?
Don't know why you keep firing cheap shots, i post what i beleive to be truthful and note you continue to remain in denial about the reality of what went and is going on, how much do they pay you to do that?
robplum: Then your calling President Hu a lair, because he publicly stated on our TV that the Panchen's cook mistakenly put arsenic in his dumplings
Don't know why you keep firing cheap shots, i post what i beleive to be truthful and note you continue to remain in denial about the reality of what went and is going on, how much do they pay you to do that?
Don't know why you keep firing cheap shots, i post what i beleive to be truthful and note you continue to remain in denial about the reality of what went and is going on, how much do they pay you to do that?
and for your information, the Tibet Government in Exile has repeatedly request the Chinese government to return the Panchen's remains to them.
They refuse, as far as your other comments about Panchen requesting protection your deeply deluded mate, should get your head seen to as soon as you can
Yet again you did not read my post fully, I think this is where some people have problems, they half read news reports and then form unsubstantiated " facts" based on the misread stories.
I did not say Panchen requested protection, I clearly stated that the Chinese government took him for what THEY considered his protection.
I am not biased as you try to make out, if you had read my posts correctly you would see that I have NEVER said I agree with any of the actions carried out by the Chinese. I have, however, tried to show what the thinking here in China is based on.
China is an amazing country with an amazing history and culture, they are becoming extremely powerful as a nation and the Government is doing some very good things for its people, but, they still make huge mistakes, misjudge the west's opinions and follow ancient ideas that really have no place in modern society. However, Like a child growing up, who also have to make mistakes and so learn from them, the Chinese people are learning, are trying to change and trying to become more harmonious with the rest of the world, but, unlike Australia which has a tiny history, China has to overcome thousands of years of indoctrinated history and at the same time not lose what makes China so different and unique.
I did not say Panchen requested protection, I clearly stated that the Chinese government took him for what THEY considered his protection.
I am not biased as you try to make out, if you had read my posts correctly you would see that I have NEVER said I agree with any of the actions carried out by the Chinese. I have, however, tried to show what the thinking here in China is based on.
China is an amazing country with an amazing history and culture, they are becoming extremely powerful as a nation and the Government is doing some very good things for its people, but, they still make huge mistakes, misjudge the west's opinions and follow ancient ideas that really have no place in modern society. However, Like a child growing up, who also have to make mistakes and so learn from them, the Chinese people are learning, are trying to change and trying to become more harmonious with the rest of the world, but, unlike Australia which has a tiny history, China has to overcome thousands of years of indoctrinated history and at the same time not lose what makes China so different and unique.
You do mean "arrest" him???...expelling order for you???? publicly admitting "arrest" in the internet???
rizlared:
I did not say Panchen requested protection, I clearly stated that the Chinese government took him for what THEY considered his protection.
I did not say Panchen requested protection, I clearly stated that the Chinese government took him for what THEY considered his protection.
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