baronobeefdip: I can't accept his testimony until I see his reports rather than hearing claims based on conjecture and someone enforce those claims dogmatically)
Your thoughts don't matter, it's gone to the courts after legally recognized forensic experts have weighed in. And...
BOMBSHELL: Expert Tied To Obama Attorneys Says Birth Certificate Is 100% Fraud dcclothesline.com/2013/06/09/bombshell-expert-tied-to-obama-attorneys-says-birth-certificate-is-100-fraud/
"Reed Hayes is a court qualified handwriting and document examiner whose business is located in Honolulu, Hawaii. He has nearly 40 years of handwriting related experience, and has worked as an international consultant and speaker. Never heard of him? Well, Hayes is the Certified Document Examiner (CDE) who produced the 40 page opinion referenced in the Mike Zullo affidavit that was submitted to the Alabama Supreme Court in the Obama eligibility case and his report concluded that the Obama birth certificate image, located at WhiteHouse.gov is a complete fabrication."
You can provide your non-expert thoughts all day long and it doesn't matter. But, as a professional who has used, created and worked with PDF documents in legal and governmental situations, I have to comment on this statement you made:
"Of course there will be anomalies of a computer generated when a paper is scanned these days."
You can not, in any instance, take a scanned document and take it apart piece by piece as was done during more than one examination of BO's BC.
What scientific degree do you hold? Me thinks your "testimony" would not hold up in court.
Besides the BC, there are some other anomalies that can not be explained simply by saying of course it can't be true what the birthers say because the Republicans are after him
Your inability to find revealing evidence tells me you might want to learn how to be a better "scientist"
Checkers101: Its relevant because if he wasnt born in the US his presidency is ILLEGAL along with all his wars.
Exactly correct. I am always amazed at how people think it might be no problem for an illegal person to be President of any country. That's just so, so ... dumb. How did people become so easy to deceive?
I am no expert, But I am skeptical of almost everything and not easily convinced (Experts make mistakes too). Science has many studies and document examination isn't mine. As far as everyone else knows, My views matter just as much as the homeless man that lives under the freeway around the corner of my house that shouts "Lizard People Control The Government!!!"
baronobeefdip: I am no expert, But I am skeptical of almost everything and not easily convinced (Experts make mistakes too). Science has many studies and document examination isn't mine. As far as everyone else knows, My views matter just as much as the homeless man that lives under the freeway around the corner of my house that shouts "Lizard People Control The Government!!!"
if your opinion is based on faulty information, it does not matter - don't worry, multiple experts have it under control. And, that guy living under the freeway shouting about lizards wouldn't get kred for his Obama BC views either, in fact, None of our opinions matter on it, it's a legal case and until it has exhausted all avenues, there is no opinion other than expert and legal opinion that matters.
Sorry OP, but, it's kind of a shame asking for opinions on something that is so polarizing, specially when the media has twisted and hidden the truth for so long. the issue is tainted.
baronobeefdip: I am no expert, But I am skeptical of almost everything and not easily convinced (Experts make mistakes too). Science has many studies and document examination isn't mine. As far as everyone else knows, My views matter just as much as the homeless man that lives under the freeway around the corner of my house that shouts "Lizard People Control The Government!!!"
Here is my last argument. It's the last thing I will post regarding this matter but I just thought I aka that I have read more and learned more like you told me to
baronobeefdip: Here is my last argument. It's the last thing I will post regarding this matter but I just thought I aka that I have read more and learned more like you told me to
He went to his mama and covered his head And told his mama what his papa had said His mama she laughed, she say, "Go man, go Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know."
Conrad73: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAkkLQr2Kjc He went to his mama and covered his head And told his mama what his papa had said His mama she laughed, she say, "Go man, go Your daddy ain't your daddy, but your daddy don't know."Just substitute Hawaii for Trinidad!
Well this has been interesting thank you very much for the info. I just feel like I have been consumed by some underground society like The Weather Underground or The Phineas Priesthood.
baronobeefdip: Well this has been interesting thank you very much for the info. I just feel like I have been consumed by some underground society like The Weather Underground or The Phineas Priesthood.
welcome to the mind boggling (I guess) seedy underground of connecting singles
PJ1961: welcome to the mind boggling (I guess) seedy underground of connecting singles
the world is a conspiracy?
Thanks, Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to line my hat with tin foil (and wallet RFID chips in credit cards and all). Snag my SLR camera to look for bigfoot, and assemble my telescope to find UFOs and try to contact aliens with my Satellite Dish
baronobeefdip: Thanks, Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to line my hat with tin foil (and wallet RFID chips in credit cards and all). Snag my SLR camera to look for bigfoot, and assemble my telescope to find UFOs and try to contact aliens with my Satellite Dish
bodleing: I see nothing in jac's posts other than clear and questioning debate.
Why would you see it as a "silly game?"
Sometimes I suspect people feel threatened by jac's straight forward no nonsense approach, especially many males on here.
I would just like to let you know that I'm here when you need to talk. E-mail me. If one person avoids a plague then it is likely to be out of misunderstanding. If two people avoid a plague, it is likely to be out of fear and anger. If a whole lot of people avoid a plague, it is likely to be a plague.
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Your thoughts don't matter, it's gone to the courts after legally recognized forensic experts have weighed in. And...
BOMBSHELL: Expert Tied To Obama Attorneys Says Birth Certificate Is 100% Fraud dcclothesline.com/2013/06/09/bombshell-expert-tied-to-obama-attorneys-says-birth-certificate-is-100-fraud/
"Reed Hayes is a court qualified handwriting and document examiner whose business is located in Honolulu, Hawaii. He has nearly 40 years of handwriting related experience, and has worked as an international consultant and speaker. Never heard of him? Well, Hayes is the Certified Document Examiner (CDE) who produced the 40 page opinion referenced in the Mike Zullo affidavit that was submitted to the Alabama Supreme Court in the Obama eligibility case and his report concluded that the Obama birth certificate image, located at WhiteHouse.gov is a complete fabrication."
You can provide your non-expert thoughts all day long and it doesn't matter. But, as a professional who has used, created and worked with PDF documents in legal and governmental situations, I have to comment on this statement you made:
"Of course there will be anomalies of a computer generated when a paper is scanned these days."
You can not, in any instance, take a scanned document and take it apart piece by piece as was done during more than one examination of BO's BC.
What scientific degree do you hold? Me thinks your "testimony" would not hold up in court.
Besides the BC, there are some other anomalies that can not be explained simply by saying of course it can't be true what the birthers say because the Republicans are after him
Your inability to find revealing evidence tells me you might want to learn how to be a better "scientist"