jac379: So, it's okay for you to belittle people, call them lazy and ill-educated, but when the tables are turned it's not acceptable?
I'm glad my quite deliberately reflective posts have got you to reach that understanding. Now all you have to do is get that understanding as far as your behaviour.
Jac, this won't work with me.
You deliberately ignore points I made, I do call people lazy and ill-educated who are just that but no one else.
You don't want to reach an understanding about anything you see differently jac, no news there, I don't expect to ever see a change in your behaviour.
I do love words! So I speak English, and I am rusty a speaking French and understand Spanish and some Creole (Haitian), and my German is from so long ago that it is only enough to order a coffee or find the train station......
I do have a language course here for Russian...
I think that languages make us smarter. When we learn a new language, it opens up a whole new way to see the world. For example, I read somewhere that the Inuits have something like 10 or 20 words for the English word snow. Now just having more words to further explain your life around you.
Now I see why they call French and Italian the romance languages - for they have those expressive words for love. English they say is the language of money.
It is too bad that they stopped teaching latin as a second language in school.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
Bad spelling from non native English can be understandable. Bad spelling is frequently related to scammers although some pretend to have good spelling.
How important is English spelling, grammar, punctuation, style….?
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
KNenagh: I hate making spelling mistakes myself and always proof read my writing (let it be English or German in my job) before publishing material.
With the rest - google is your friend.
I do not like to have spelling errors either but I do have them in English and I am sure I do have them in Italian.
In Spanish I like to believe that those mistakes are quasi non existent.
However, using some spelling check tools I have found some errors in them, which is important when writing a paper, so Google some times is not a good friend.
lifeisadream: I do not like to have spelling errors either but I do have them in English and I am sure I do have them in Italian.
In Spanish I like to believe that those mistakes are quasi non existent.
However, using some spelling check tools I have found some errors in them, which is important when writing a paper, so Google some times is not a good friend.
When writing a paper, do you use MicroSoft word document and apply the spell check in Spanish? I do for English, and I am often told I am using the passive not active grammar.
I also miss small words in my sentences. Is that laziness or just a bad habit?
jac379: I wonder how much you know about the people you call ill-educated and lazy.
I wonder what their education was like and what put them off from learning in a way that you see fit, rather than learning in a way which suits them.
I wonder why one type of learning, or one set of skills is held above others.
No one deserves to be disparaged in this way. No one.
How much do you know about them jac?
We all make choices in life. Some people are simply not interested in learning and increasing their skill set. Nothing wrong with that, I am just not interested in communicating with them on here.
Not everyone suits the "normal" school system, but today there are more possibilities than ever to go and learn things - various courses open to adults, internet learning etc. So if someone did't manage to learn in a way that suited him in younger years, what stops them now?
I said in every post I made that I have no problem with people being dyslexic I am just not interested to communicate with people who have no communication skills.
There are people who choose not to communicate with me and I am with them. What is your problem with acknowledging this? Is it a problem for you that there are people who don't want to communicate with you and you can't accept this?
There's a happy medium, it doesn't bother most people if there is the odd spelling or grammar mistake but when I see on a persons profile "anyting u wanna kno jus ask" I move on.
bungallow55: I like to write poetry and silly short stories so for me good spelling is a must, still having a lots of grammar errors.
bungallow I fully understand.My sis in law writes books which she sells to the public and has to make sure that her grammar and spelling is absolutely perfect.
But she has written emails and sometimes she may misspell a word or two.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
KNenagh: How much do you know about them jac?
We all make choices in life. Some people are simply not interested in learning and increasing their skill set. Nothing wrong with that, I am just not interested in communicating with them on here.
Not everyone suits the "normal" school system, but today there are more possibilities than ever to go and learn things - various courses open to adults, internet learning etc. So if someone did't manage to learn in a way that suited him in younger years, what stops them now?
I said in every post I made that I have no problem with people being dyslexic I am just not interested to communicate with people who have no communication skills.
There are people who choose not to communicate with me and I am with them. What is your problem with acknowledging this? Is it a problem for you that there are people who don't want to communicate with you and you can't accept this?
I have a problem with people being called lazy and ill-educated if their literacy skills aren't up to a standard that you see fit.
I don't know people's individual literacy stories, that's why I don't go round calling them names, or generalising about their laziness, or lack of education. I would prefer to talk to them if they're willing, and see what their learning experience has been from their perspective.
Yes, there are adult education classes, usually in the same, or similar format to children's education classes. They're not only no more accessible to some people, but some people have long since been put off formal education as not useful, or enjoyable to themselves.
Formal education, reading, or studying is not the only way to learn.
I have acknowledged there's a difference between interest, compatibility and disparaging others for their literacy skills. It's a few posts/pages back in direct response to one of your posts.
jac379: I have a problem with people being called lazy and ill-educated if their literacy skills aren't up to a standard that you see fit.
I don't know people's individual literacy stories, that's why I don't go round calling them names, or generalising about their laziness, or lack of education. I would prefer to talk to them if they're willing, and see what their learning experience has been from their perspective.
Yes, there are adult education classes, usually in the same, or similar format to children's education classes. They're not only no more accessible to some people, but some people have long since been put off formal education as not useful, or enjoyable to themselves.
Formal education, reading, or studying is not the only way to learn.
I have acknowledged there's a difference between interest, compatibility and disparaging others for their literacy skills. It's a few posts/pages back in direct response to one of your posts.
I believe K was talking about those who don't have dyslexia being lazy
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
jac379: I have a problem with people being called lazy and ill-educated if their literacy skills aren't up to a standard that you see fit.
I don't know people's individual literacy stories, that's why I don't go round calling them names, or generalising about their laziness, or lack of education. I would prefer to talk to them if they're willing, and see what their learning experience has been from their perspective.
Yes, there are adult education classes, usually in the same, or similar format to children's education classes. They're not only no more accessible to some people, but some people have long since been put off formal education as not useful, or enjoyable to themselves.
Formal education, reading, or studying is not the only way to learn.
I have acknowledged there's a difference between interest, compatibility and disparaging others for their literacy skills. It's a few posts/pages back in direct response to one of your posts.
K reference on laziness is nor addressed to any one in a particular case
And, there is lazy people.
Some native English speaker, that uses the basic like a pronouns in a wrong manner and that person (just an example) reads other people comments using those pronouns correctly but do not see it and that persons is just a normal person with the capacity of learning but that person chooses not to learn. How do you call that?
jac379: I have a problem with people being called lazy and ill-educated if their literacy skills aren't up to a standard that you see fit.
I don't know people's individual literacy stories, that's why I don't go round calling them names, or generalising about their laziness, or lack of education. I would prefer to talk to them if they're willing, and see what their learning experience has been from their perspective.
Yes, there are adult education classes, usually in the same, or similar format to children's education classes. They're not only no more accessible to some people, but some people have long since been put off formal education as not useful, or enjoyable to themselves.
Formal education, reading, or studying is not the only way to learn.
I have acknowledged there's a difference between interest, compatibility and disparaging others for their literacy skills. It's a few posts/pages back in direct response to one of your posts.
Great that you have acknowledged that there is a difference between interest and compatibility because that is all I ever talked about.
I am talking about people I had contact with and based on that I said who I am not interested in communicating with - this is my personal preference and I communicate who I want with, simples. If you have a problem with that, that is your problem.
I saw it so often that you have a problem simply accepting other people's preferences.
How does it come that you refused to have communication with one of the Indian bloggers (iotoo) who ask you to start communicating with him?
Is that not prejudiced? Or might that be your personal preference?
lifeisadream: K reference on laziness is nor addressed to any one in a particular case
And, there is lazy people.
Some native English speaker, that uses the basic like a pronouns in a wrong manner and that person (just an example) reads other people comments using those pronouns correctly but do not see it and that persons is just a normal person with the capacity of learning but that person chooses not to learn. How do you call that?
unlaoised: I believe K was talking about those who don't have dyslexia being lazy
Hi unlaoised and lifeisadream, jac doesn't want to see any points who don't suit her agenda. Unfortunately I have seen this on several occasions before.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
JeanKimberley: When writing a paper, do you use MicroSoft word document and apply the spell check in Spanish? I do for English, and I am often told I am using the passive not active grammar.
I also miss small words in my sentences. Is that laziness or just a bad habit?
Hi Kim When I do write in Spanish I need not any spell check but when I have to write some technical papers in English I use it and a few times the verbs are not correct so I do change them the way I was tought to and then the same tool marks nor error or sometimes it does.
Tols are just tools, finally we still have the last word.
KNenagh: Hi unlaoised and lifeisadream, jac doesn't want to see any points who don't suit her agenda. Unfortunately I have seen this on several occasions before.
Hiya unla, I think a lot of people simple voiced their preferences and seeing that voicing these is turned into "calling names" which it never was intended to is just sad.
KNenagh: Hiya unla, I think a lot of people simple voiced their preferences and seeing that voicing these is turned into "calling names" which it never was intended to is just sad.
A preference is very different to prejudice, IMO and I know you feel the same way but there seems to be plenty of judgement of those who have differing opinions. You're clear and concise about yours and I enjoy that
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
lifeisadream: K reference on laziness is nor addressed to any one in a particular case
And, there is lazy people.
Some native English speaker, that uses the basic like a pronouns in a wrong manner and that person (just an example) reads other people comments using those pronouns correctly but do not see it and that persons is just a normal person with the capacity of learning but that person chooses not to learn. How do you call that?
I don't know what a pronown pronoun is, nor do I understand the specifics of your question.
I learned English intuitively, I know fairly well how to use it, but I don't know what everything is called. It doesn't matter how many times I look things up, like the definition of word 'verb', it never stays in my memory.
I have no idea whether people choose not to learn, has have been put off from certain types of learning, has have no interest in a particular bit of learning (there is so much to learn, why does everybody have to know the same things?), or whether something just doesn't compute in the format it's presented to them.
Some people are wordy, some people think in shapes, some in colour and no doubt in many other ways.
Oh, hang on, I get your question now. How do the people using a pronoun (whatever that is) know that they're using it incorrectly and that someone else is using it correctly just by reading someone else's use of the word? Even if they recognise that someone else's sentence sounds better, how do they process and utilise the correct usage?
Personally, I use a lot of visual imagery and lateral thinking for spelling if that's any help in answering your question: if I want to say, "Bear in mind..." I imagine a bear inside my skull every single time I write the word.
unlaoised: A preference is very different to prejudice, IMO and I know you feel the same way but there seems to be plenty of judgement of those who have differing opinions. You're clear and concise about yours and I enjoy that
There are different opinions and voicing them without getting called names should be possible.
I don't like someone twisting my words even though it is obvious what I am talking about.
Thanks for the flowers unlaoised, English isn't my first language and sometimes I mightn't be as clear about something as I wish to be, but I'll do my best and try to elaborate if someone doesn't understand me.
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