jac379: If someone has poor literacy skills, what are the reasons if not dyslexia in your opinion?
How do you tell the difference between someone who is dyslexic and someone who is not?
Someone who has dyslexia usually states they have it.
I'm not here to cause trouble.
If English is not their first language, and they do not have dyslexia, and they are not pissed, then I lose interest in what they are trying to convey. It's not about intolerance. It's about losing interest and not being able to take them seriously.
I'm sure you will disagree Jac, because you're in that frame of mind. I simply gave my opinion as you are entitled to yours.
jac379: If someone has poor literacy skills, what are the reasons if not dyslexia in your opinion?
How do you tell the difference between someone who is dyslexic and someone who is not?
A friend of mine, friends with a woman "Child psychologist" observed,that his young daughter was "Dyslectic".The father didn't think so,about his daughter,and another "child Psychologist" found out,was nothing wrong with his daughter and definitely "Not Dyslectic".
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Carmengetme: Someone who has dyslexia usually states they have it.
I'm not here to cause trouble.
If English is not their first language, and they do not have dyslexia, and they are not pissed, then I lose interest in what they are trying to convey. It's not about intolerance. It's about losing interest and not being able to take them seriously.
I'm sure you will disagree Jac, because you're in that frame of mind. I simply gave my opinion as you are entitled to yours.
I don't wish to engage in a tussle with you.
I hadn't thought about tussling with you, Carmen. I imagine there would be much competition for that.
Okay, I won't tussle with you, but I will comment on the thread in general:
I just spelled 'competition' as 'competetion' and sat here looking at the red squiggly line, for life of me not being able to work out where I'd gone wrong. In trying to write this, I spelled 'competition', 'comptetion' 'compition' and 'competion' before I got it right. I have a post-graduate qualification. I haven't been hit with the stupid stick. I simply struggle to see things because of the way I saccade. (I've just spent 5 minutes trying to work out how to spell 'saccade'.)
It disturbs me if people have poor literacy skills if it disempowers them; access and all that jazz. It disturbs me if their environment (one heavily biased towards written skills) disables them. Dyslexia is not a disability in my opinion, but it's the environment which is disabling for some people. What can we do to make that environment enabling? Complaining, disparaging remarks is not enabling and likely to inhibit people from contributing to the forums. It excludes people unfairly.
I once chatted to a chap who mailed me with extreme text speak. I can read regular dyslexic writing, but some people use text speak as a coping strategy for extreme dyslexia which interacts with my difficulties with the written word. Unfortunately, this chap and I were unable to communicate in the written word which was frustrating for both of us.
You're right, I get in the mood for a tussle when I see threads like this. I think people are generally not clear, or ignorant of what it's all about. I think generally threads like this put other people down who are already disadvantaged and disempowered by their environment.
If people are getting pissy about spelling and grammar, perhaps they need to recognise the problem, and very often the ignorance, is theirs. Alternatively, recognise the issue for what it is - a communication issue between two people.
Y'know, I've never seen a thread complaining about people who have good literacy skills and yet that's part of the communication interaction being discussed here. The reason for that is bias and prejudice that somehow those with good literacy skills are 'right' and those with poor literacy skills are 'wrong'. Neither, is either right, nor wrong. It just is.
Good literacy skills doesn't make someone superior, it's just good fortune. People with good literacy skills might perhaps value their advantage, rather than put others down for their disadvantage. People with good literacy skills might perhaps use their advantage to enable others.
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
jac379: Hmmm...concise...that means clear and succinct, eh? I might have a problem with that succinct bit.
If people are having difficulties with written communication in their work, but are otherwise very capable, I wonder what can be done to facilitate individual needs.
If someone uses a wheelchair, it's plainly stairs that are the problem, not their use of a wheelchair. We can resolve that with lifts and ramps.
I manage a timetable in one of my places of work and when I started I made a passing comment about one of the colours used being difficult to read. By the time I was next in work it had been very thoughtfully and kindly changed. It's such a simple thing, but it makes a dramatic difference to my ability to access information.
I also work with a blind woman. I have learned so much from her. It's not a hindrance to enable her access to the workplace, but quite the opposite.
The point is... here on the forums.. I am quite happy for any which way the words come out...
I think too... that when people want to answer a post... they perhaps don't have the fast typing skills... and to be able to keep up with threads , maybe they just type without proofing.. and just short cut words... I can live with that..
CapricornDancer: I find the level of literacy on this and other sites disturbing. How do you feel?
I must admit that I do too .. I understand that English is not the first language for many people on here but for those whose it is, many times it is incomprehensible and I find that grating
CapricornDancer: I am actually in favour of spelling reform. I like George Bernard Shaw's spelling of fish as an example of how ridiculous spelling can be. GHOTI .... GH as in enough, O as in Women and TI as in motion.
... but, having said that, I am still against spelling anarchy.
how many people on these Boards have studied to be Teachers,Writers or Journalists? So why worry about some grammatical Mistakes,even from native English-Speakers,which I am not!
CapricornDancer: I find the level of literacy on this and other sites disturbing. How do you feel?
English is the universal language and used as medium of communication to people in which it vernacular or dialect spoken is different from one place or region to another...
By writing the right spelling and with the use of good grammar will be easier for someone to understand what he or she is reading....
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
serene56: I must admit that I do too .. I understand that English is not the first language for many people on here but for those whose it is, many times it is incomprehensible and I find that grating
That is incorrect. you need to restructure your sentence...
jac379: If someone has poor literacy skills, what are the reasons if not dyslexia in your opinion?
How do you tell the difference between someone who is dyslexic and someone who is not?
Not everyone with poor literacy skills in dyslexic.
If a native English speaker (which were most of the people writing to me locally) cannot put a sentence together - I got a lot of emails like "how r u ? wana meat upp? dyslexia most likely isn't the reason.
Laziness, no interest in reading, learning etc. is more likely the cause. I personally have no interest in communicating with someone like that because I think we simply don't have common interests.
KNenagh: Not everyone with poor literacy skills in dyslexic.
If a native English speaker (which were most of the people writing to me locally) cannot put a sentence together - I got a lot of emails like "how r u ? wana meat upp? dyslexia most likely isn't the reason.
Laziness, no interest in reading, learning etc. is more likely the cause. I personally have no interest in communicating with someone like that because I think we simply don't have common interests.
Agreed KN
And reading that Irish traveler thread almost made me lose the will to live lol
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Conrad73: how many people on these Boards have studied to be Teachers,Writers or Journalists? So why worry about some grammatical Mistakes,even from native English-Speakers,which I am not!
You can still be a writer, teacher, or journalist if you're dyslexic.
Dyslexic people often have the creative qualities for these disciplines because of their dyslexia, not despite it.
People with ADD are often academics, or are well suited to this fast-paced technological age we live in.
People with autistic spectrum traits often have the skills and tenacity for computer programming, or proof-reading amongst other things.
People don't get publicly criticised, excluded, or called disabled if they can't draw.
Why are we excluding some people instead of utilising their skills?
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