The Importance of good spelling and grammar (206)

Jul 8, 2014 9:09 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
KNenagh: I have seen this twisting statements to suit an agenda several times from jac with certain topics.

It is obvious what I said and people who actually read my posts had no problem understanding my point. Deliberate misunderstanding and simply posting statements I never made and hoping to run me over didn't work. I did notice that when I employed the same tactics, there was no answer given.



coffee
Jul 8, 2014 9:28 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
chris27292729: ONly 32!!!! With 24 you could do the job.- Saves trouble,learn fast,and reduce the years of learning. You never said, thanks to the Greeks,giving you the Cyrillic Alphabet on a plate.

I wouldn't say thanks for such a complicated Contraption either!laugh
Jul 8, 2014 2:33 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Ken_19
Ken_19Ken_19Winchester, Virginia USA68 Threads 26 Polls 1,055 Posts
@ Capricorn
Sir, English is a dynamic language. It is constantly changing and like the Borg assimilating new species (words) daily. This has been true from the earliest times and it will always be so.

What has you upset is that the evolution today proceeds at a much greater pace than at any previous time in human history.

Initially in the time of the Anglo-Saxons the primary influence (from which many new words crept in) was Roman (Latin). Change really hits in 1066 when many new Frnch words jumped into common use. No doubt some complained about that too. What'd the movement of French into English use take after Latin words crept in, 1,000 years? Right after that was the Norse problem and again new words jumped into use. Sentence syntax also changed. Olde English had four main dialects, Mercian, Northumbrian, Kentish, and West Saxon. The period of Middle English is when a gradual transition away from the old spoken ways to the new began. That too took hundreds of years. Our written language changed too. Truth is you probably, in spite of a love of English would not understand English from 1,000 years ago. Here is a test. What does this say? <Answer at bottom of forum post>

"And ne gel?d þu us on costnunge, ac al?s us of yfele"

Hint, from an English prayer.

1,000 years ago any English kid or grownup could tell you, if they spoke today's English, which they won't.

Yeah, more cultural changes, more interactions with funny looking people in strange lands who behave strangely, so it changes again, till by the 1700s you could today probably understand a lot of what they said and vis versa, but not all of it because we no longer say thee and thou and someone from back then would probably grow really angry at you for being so disrespectful by continuing to use the word 'you.'

Still for 300 years most of it has stagnated.

What's changed? Global interaction . Internet. Today I corresponded with someone in China and also with someone in South America. Each of us has knowledge of some words in the other language(s). Knowledge we wouldn't have been exposed to 40 years ago. Sometimes they have no native word in their language for something I/we have an English word for. Guess what? They use the English word. Devotchka for a hot chick. Where'd I pick that up? USSR talk. Prevyet. Aka Hi. Their sentence syntax, into my language creeps. Which one? LoL, all of them. Enough of us do it, the language changes. More change in the last 10 years than probably the 100 before.
Cn U r'd dis? Could you read it 40 years ago? Probably not. Thank cell phones. Everything changes. We adapt like the cockroach, or we die like the Dodo. Our choice. Vote change. Cool dat!

Yeah the sentence. It is from the Lord's Prayer. Above was the Olde English version. Today you would say it as;
"And do not lead thou us into temptation, but alese (release/deliver) us of (from) evil."
It's all English to me. wave
Jul 8, 2014 2:50 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Ken_19: @ Capricorn
Sir, English is a dynamic language. It is constantly changing and like the Borg assimilating new species (words) daily. This has been true from the earliest times and it will always be so.

What has you upset is that the evolution today proceeds at a much greater pace than at any previous time in human history.

Initially in the time of the Anglo-Saxons the primary influence (from which many new words crept in) was Roman (Latin). Change really hits in 1066 when many new Frnch words jumped into common use. No doubt some complained about that too. What'd the movement of French into English use take after Latin words crept in, 1,000 years? Right after that was the Norse problem and again new words jumped into use. Sentence syntax also changed. Olde English had four main dialects, Mercian, Northumbrian, Kentish, and West Saxon. The period of Middle English is when a gradual transition away from the old spoken ways to the new began. That too took hundreds of years. Our written language changed too. Truth is you probably, in spite of a love of English would not understand English from 1,000 years ago. Here is a test. What does this say? <Answer at bottom of forum post>

"And ne gel?d þu us on costnunge, ac al?s us of yfele"

Hint, from an English prayer.

1,000 years ago any English kid or grownup could tell you, if they spoke today's English, which they won't.

Yeah, more cultural changes, more interactions with funny looking people in strange lands who behave strangely, so it changes again, till by the 1700s you could today probably understand a lot of what they said and vis versa, but not all of it because we no longer say thee and thou and someone from back then would probably grow really angry at you for being so disrespectful by continuing to use the word 'you.'

Still for 300 years most of it has stagnated.

What's changed? Global interaction . Internet. Today I corresponded with someone in China and also with someone in South America. Each of us has knowledge of some words in the other language(s). Knowledge we wouldn't have been exposed to 40 years ago. Sometimes they have no native word in their language for something I/we have an English word for. Guess what? They use the English word. Devotchka for a hot chick. Where'd I pick that up? USSR talk. Prevyet. Aka Hi. Their sentence syntax, into my language creeps. Which one? LoL, all of them. Enough of us do it, the language changes. More change in the last 10 years than probably the 100 before.
Cn U r'd dis? Could you read it 40 years ago? Probably not. Thank cell phones. Everything changes. We adapt like the cockroach, or we die like the Dodo. Our choice. Vote change. Cool dat!

Yeah the sentence. It is from the Lord's Prayer. Above was the Olde English version. Today you would say it as;
"And do not lead thou us into temptation, but alese (release/deliver) us of (from) evil."
It's all English to me.
hi Ken...that was interesting....even I,,,,did,nt know that....and I,m British..........doh thumbs up
Jul 8, 2014 5:37 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
lifeisadream: Those Ancient Greeks are death, Chris. Are you going to deliver the "thanks"? If so, include mine please.
You have been invited.Am sure you know the ancient Greek burial rituals.laugh
Jul 8, 2014 5:51 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
lifeisadream: Those Ancient Greeks are death, Chris. Are you going to deliver the "thanks"? If so, include mine (mt thanks) please.


chris27292729: You have been invited.Am sure you know the ancient Greek burial rituals.


Thank you Christ but I will decline your invitation. However, I would except your giving thanks to your Ancient Greeks in an expedite way, like UPS or DHL, "next day".

So it was nice to see you here at the forums.


laugh
Jul 8, 2014 6:14 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
xxDandelionxx
xxDandelionxxxxDandelionxxunknown, Hampshire, England UK8 Threads 2,525 Posts
CapricornDancer: I find the level of literacy on this and other sites disturbing. How do you feel?


There are those whose first language is not English and there are those who have dyslexia and/or word-blindness....

That aside, there are those who cannot apply their minds or simply can't be arsed. I have no time for laziness.

And don't get me started on the misappropriate use of the apostrophe...!!!
mumbling

grin
Jul 8, 2014 6:16 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
lifeisadream: Thank you Christ but I will decline your invitation. However, I would except expect your giving thanks to your Ancient Greeks in an expedite way, like UPS or DHL, "next day".

So it was nice to see you here at the forums.
Jul 8, 2014 6:17 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
xxDandelionxx: There are those whose first language is not English and there are those who have dyslexia and/or word-blindness....

That aside, there are those who cannot apply their minds or simply can't be arsed. I have no time for laziness.

And don't get me started on the misappropriate use of the apostrophe...!!!


Ah, their their..youll be fine. Is is'nt a womans job to know how too spell
Jul 8, 2014 6:23 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
xxDandelionxx
xxDandelionxxxxDandelionxxunknown, Hampshire, England UK8 Threads 2,525 Posts
mollybaby: Ah, their their..youll be fine. Is is'nt a womans job to know how too spell


rolling on the floor laughing

bouquet
Jul 8, 2014 9:09 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
xxDandelionxx: There are those whose first language is not English and there are those who have dyslexia and/or word-blindness....

That aside, there are those who cannot apply their minds or simply can't be arsed. I have no time for laziness.

And don't get me started on the misappropriate use of the apostrophe...!!!


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Jul 8, 2014 9:11 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
or.... should I have asked



Is this one of "yours"? nerd redclown
Jul 8, 2014 9:15 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
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I was just issued special powers.

Considering I have always been called "special" it seems only fair. grin
Jul 8, 2014 10:56 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Happygolucky4u
Happygolucky4uHappygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
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Jul 8, 2014 11:35 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Dragos1
Dragos1Dragos1Metro, Oregon USA54 Threads 1 Polls 1,982 Posts
chris27292729: Then wine from a jar,anytime.-


I would settle for noodles and broth at the moment.
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Jul 9, 2014 12:08 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
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Jul 9, 2014 1:14 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Condor009
Condor009Condor009Victoria, British Columbia Canada200 Posts
""And ne gel?d þu us on costnunge, ac al?s us of yfele"

Yeah the sentence. It is from the Lord's Prayer. Above was the Olde English version. Today you would say it as;

"And do not lead thou us into temptation, but alese (release/deliver) us of (from) evil."

Frankly, I don't get this: in the olde English, 2 questions are asked; in the translation, there are no questions whatsoever or is it a matter of 'typos' as to the question marks??? confused
English has evolved over the eons from Alte Deutsch through Olde English/Saxon to what it encompasses now. Of all the languages now existing, I would say that it is the most elastic being able to constantly absorb yet retain a working language with a haphazard collection of rules collectively confounding most of us, but, hey, it's a fun language! I love using it and rarely use three others out of five that I used as a child.laugh
Jul 9, 2014 1:30 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Ripley_74
Ripley_74Ripley_74Buenos Aires South, Buenos Aires Argentina1 Threads 22 Posts
Native English speakers should have more patiente.

And why is it you guys are so eager to have everyone
speak your language?

Do it like Putin and speak only your own language. giggle
Jul 9, 2014 7:20 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
CapricornDancer
CapricornDancerCapricornDancerMelbourne, Victoria Australia2 Threads 1 Polls 152 Posts
xxDandelionxx: There are those whose first language is not English and there are those who have dyslexia and/or word-blindness....

That aside, there are those who cannot apply their minds or simply can't be arsed. I have no time for laziness.

And don't get me started on the misappropriate use of the apostrophe...!!!


Pretty much my feelings. It is those that have been educated and still make simple spelling errors that irk me. Either laziness or bloodymindedness is my guess.
Jul 9, 2014 7:22 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
CapricornDancer
CapricornDancerCapricornDancerMelbourne, Victoria Australia2 Threads 1 Polls 152 Posts
I like it! rolling on the floor laughing
Jul 9, 2014 7:49 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
CapricornDancer: I find the level of literacy on this and other sites disturbing. How do you feel?
aw, u r disturbed, well I am sure it is none of our biz. I get where u r coming from though. OIE !
Jul 9, 2014 9:31 PM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
CapricornDancer: Pretty much my feelings. It is those that have been educated and still make simple spelling errors that irk me. Either laziness or bloodymindedness is my guess.


what is bloodymindedness? popcorn
Jul 10, 2014 1:40 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
CapricornDancer
CapricornDancerCapricornDancerMelbourne, Victoria Australia2 Threads 1 Polls 152 Posts
From the American Heritage Dictionary:

The second definition is the meaning I refer to

adj.
1. Ready and willing to accept bloodshed or to resort to violence: "forging alliances with bloody-minded tyrants" (Lewis H. Lapham).
2. Chiefly British Perversely cantankerous: "The . . . unions . . . have never been as bloody-minded about demarcation as the shipbuilders" (Spectator).
bloody-minded·ness n.
Jul 10, 2014 2:53 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
inn0cent_soul
inn0cent_soulinn0cent_soulLahore, Punjab Pakistan8 Threads 213 Posts
I am multilingual. I try my level best to write English as correctly as I can. Yet, However, as it is said "To Err is human ..." I make mistakes.
I feel very grateful to those who overlook and ignore these mistakes intentionally. :) Yet in the heart of heart, when ever, I look back at certain writing piece with grammatical piece I feel like scolding my own self for doing that.

Spelling mistakes are really a big turn off for me while dating.
Those guys who send me text with a lot of spelling mistakes usually get NO RESPONSE from me.
Jul 10, 2014 6:34 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
Justus1
Justus1Justus1Kitchener, Ontario Canada5 Threads 187 Posts
CapricornDancer: Pretty much my feelings. It is those that have been educated and still make simple spelling errors that irk me. Either laziness or bloodymindedness is my guess.
bloodymindedness

Interesting now I see how annoying is when you see how lazy is somebody,I get it now.

bloody-mindedness

After speaking 3 languages fluently I don't give a rat's ars about small mistakes in English spelling.
Anybody can make a mistake even YOU. beer
Jul 12, 2014 3:34 AM CST The Importance of good spelling and grammar
As long as you understand the message the person is trying to pass across why bother about spelling and grammar only if you want to unleash your mean side.
if you believe someone is speaking to you and their english is a little off balance try to find a polite way too correct them maybe by repeating what they say with the most correct sentence e.g. i think i worked well now you can repeat this by saying really?you are working well now?..if they typed such grammar it could be caused by typo or something... ha
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