Capital punishment should be banned ?? (209)
online today!online today!jac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 PostsJustBrian: the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.
Therefore, a erroneous judgement is a murder!!! humans that promulgated this law has placed those judges in a complete approval that they can't be wrong and can't be questioned.
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The U.S. Supreme Court has denied a stay of execution for #RichardGlossip. At this time, please keep Richard in your thoughts and prayers.
The U.S. Supreme Court has denied a stay of execution for #RichardGlossip. At this time, please keep Richard in your thoughts and prayers.
jac_the_gripper: Because showing no compassion is wrong?
Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?
Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?
Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?
Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?
Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?
Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?
Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?
Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?
While I understand where you are coming from, once a criminal has perpetrated a crime such as murder, in the US, said criminal is incarcerated and brought to trial. His rights are even preserved under due process.
What about the rights of the victim?
Where is the justice for the victim?
Why does the criminal deserve compassion and understanding when he showed none to his victim?
Are the criminals rights more important than the victim's or the victim's family?
Most killers are not even remorseful for their actions, they just regret getting caught.
JustBrian: the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.
As you said,we now have DNA testing, take away capital punishment and the message is "you can now KILL and we will supplyyou with free board and lodging For the rest of your life..that's the problem here at the moment..and why our crime rate has shot up ..crime pays!
A man, a likely innocent man is in the process of being executed.
I hardly think a popcorn emote is appropriate.
I feel like saying, "FU, PG."
I hardly think a popcorn emote is appropriate.
I feel like saying, "FU, PG."
the rights of the wrongly accused are violated the moment they are arrested. and the system cares more about conviction rates than about real justice.. in America if you can afford thousands of dollars for a good attorney you will probably get a fair trial.. if you can't you have a good chance of being railroaded.. justice is for the rich.. states attorneys care more about their conviction rate than anything else.. its what they run on in their next elections.. conviction rates.. in that environment 100% certainty of guilt can never be assured..
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Glossip family outside prison is devastated. Don Knight tells them Richard wanted his story told and now people people know he was innocent.
Glossip family outside prison is devastated. Don Knight tells them Richard wanted his story told and now people people know he was innocent.
serena123: As you said,we now have DNA testing, take away capital punishment and the message is "you can now KILL and we will supplyyou with free board and lodging For the rest of your life..that's the problem here at the moment..and why our crime rate has shot up ..crime pays!
Exactly! It's sending the message, go ahead and kill. At least you won't be killed for it. What kind of deterrent or justice is that?
If any one of the people I love were murdered in cold blood!! Hell, they wouldn't want to leave that court room.. I would give them capital punishment! .. 
serena123: As you said,we now have DNA testing, take away capital punishment and the message is "you can now KILL and we will supplyyou with free board and lodging For the rest of your life..that's the problem here at the moment..and why our crime rate has shot up ..crime pays!
It is a misconception hat DNA is the ultimate proof of guilt. A person or persons cannot be and should not be convicted on DNA alone.There is no evidence that capital punishment deters murder. In fact an offender is more likely to kill than leave a witness I the hope of escaping detection.
It only needs one innocent person to be executed and the state is then guilty of murder. The object is to punish not to take revenge.
In the last 30 years numerous people have been released from prison because there convictions were found to be unsafe.
after going to his website and doing some homework, i believe he is innocent.
JustBrian: the rights of the wrongly accused are violated the moment they are arrested. and the system cares more about conviction rates than about real justice.. in America if you can afford thousands of dollars for a good attorney you will probably get a fair trial.. if you can't you have a good chance of being railroaded.. justice is for the rich.. states attorneys care more about their conviction rate than anything else.. its what they run on in their next elections.. conviction rates.. in that environment 100% certainty of guilt can never be assured..
That's where lies the weak point there,, because court procedures are being connected to political interests.
Those state attorneys, it's their interest to show to the public that they are well guarded, so the more convictions, the more they are venerated by a voting public fear of being disturbed by delinquency.
jac_the_gripper: A man, a likely innocent man is in the process of being executed.
I hardly think a popcorn emote is appropriate.
I feel like saying, "FU, PG."
I hardly think a popcorn emote is appropriate.
I feel like saying, "FU, PG."
Say it Queenie, and silently fart. It's just one case YOU chose
to get emotional about.
I say all I have said, having a family member of mine shot dead in Colombia for trying to teach the poor there how to grow food instead of coca leaves.. so I fully understand the urge to want the state to avenge crime. but being as I could never know 100% who shot my uncle I wouldn't want to risk an innocent put to death for the crime.. no arrests were ever made in the killing of my uncle tho
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Family members here are as young as 12. A lot of trauma among them already. They call him Ricky. It is his 4th execution date. A nightmare.
Family members here are as young as 12. A lot of trauma among them already. They call him Ricky. It is his 4th execution date. A nightmare.
pedalguy59: Say it Queenie, and silently fart. It's just one case YOU chose
to get emotional about.
to get emotional about.
Nah, it's not just the one case I have an emotional (and cognitive/behavioural) response to.
That's how you tell I'm human.
jac_the_gripper: Nah, it's not just the one case I have an emotional (and cognitive/behavioural) response to.
That's how you tell I'm human.
That's how you tell I'm human.
I'm passionate about this subject too
JustBrian: I say all I have said, having a family member of mine shot dead in Colombia for trying to teach the poor there how to grow food instead of coca leaves.. so I fully understand the urge to want the state to avenge crime. but being as I could never know 100% who shot my uncle I wouldn't want to risk an innocent put to death for the crime.. no arrests were ever made in the killing of my uncle tho
So his killer Got away..sad, that is a crime
JustBrian: I say all I have said, having a family member of mine shot dead in Colombia for trying to teach the poor there how to grow food instead of coca leaves.. so I fully understand the urge to want the state to avenge crime. but being as I could never know 100% who shot my uncle I wouldn't want to risk an innocent put to death for the crime.. no arrests were ever made in the killing of my uncle tho
Sorry to hear about your uncle,,
From where i am, capital punishment no longer exist, and sure there are crimes that are hard to resolve, but what we are assured here of,, that iregardless of how long will it take for the authorities to catch and render criminals to justice,, they always have them even in 10 or 2O years time, while everybody seems have forgotten, they reappear with all the concrete proves heading to a final judgement, (oftentimes it happens here) it's long, so long, and would cost a lot, but that's what life costs iteself,,
The noose existed here when I was a child.....then Canada banned it....yet,...there have been moments when the public opinion swayed ,....and indeed, there have been calls for the return.....a much witnessed "beheading" on a bus here in Canada,....and a scant few years later,....he has been granted partial freedom,....sigh,...I don't know,....but rest assured, if I am witness to any murder of someone I know.....I will immediately become, your judge,...your jury,...and your executioner.
A very emotional and complex issue to say the least.
A very emotional and complex issue to say the least.
And, my previous comment was trying to be politically correct,....from the recesses of my mind,...from that Slavic Vlad the Impaler mentality.....I am in total favour of capital punishment,...no religious intonation...plain and simple..."YOU F@%KED up! Now you are to be punished by your peers and the society ion which you reside....
Sound cruel? Well,...I have a friend whose mother was brutally murdered 25 years ago,....and that person,....who ADMITTED his guilt,...now walks free.....
Dang,...I should have never read this thread,....
Sound cruel? Well,...I have a friend whose mother was brutally murdered 25 years ago,....and that person,....who ADMITTED his guilt,...now walks free.....
Dang,...I should have never read this thread,....
jac_the_gripper: Human rights should be equal. That's the whole point.
Once a criminal violates another person's rights, the criminal's rights should be forfeit.
jac_the_gripper: Please quote your source for this claim.
I did a simple Google search and found many examples. I have only listed two:
Though he pleaded guilty in July to three counts of murder, a presentence investigation found Kevin Sweat showed “little to no” remorse for killing his fiancee and denied “any involvement” in the deaths of two young Weleetka girls.
Against the advice of his attorneys, convicted murderer Isaiah Doyle took the stand in the penalty phase of his trial in Jefferson Parish this morning and promptly told the jury he was guilty of first-degree murder, had no remorse, and wished he could kill the jury.
And, as a final comment,....I have sat in a room, with relatives,....who assigned the "death penalty" over 100 times, in the name of war,....killing people whose only crime was to be born in a time when their country asked them to fight for a socio-economic-political cause,....and they lost,...
serena123: I'm passionate about this subject too
Can't see what you posted Jac.. Maybe a Good thing?
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