Capital punishment should be banned ?? (209)
KremaP: If any of you have a dear one killed and you see his murderer enjoying his life just after few years in prison I believe you will sing a different song. In my family case it is the murderer of my 4 year old nephew, I don't even want to mention what it did to my uncle's family, no, actually, there is no family anymore...
Don't tell me the child is not a "living creature" before it is born and don't tell me it is not a murder to decide whether it will live or die...
We are blood thirsty animals by nature and we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people each year by drugs, vaccines, food and so on...
We have taken over God's or let's say nature's functions and we play with life in a horrific way.
Anyway, who cares...
Don't tell me the child is not a "living creature" before it is born and don't tell me it is not a murder to decide whether it will live or die...
We are blood thirsty animals by nature and we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people each year by drugs, vaccines, food and so on...
We have taken over God's or let's say nature's functions and we play with life in a horrific way.
Anyway, who cares...
I do because I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I guess the best we can do try to live our own lives in a way that suits our values, vote wisely (for those of us who can), and speak out when we can.....for those of us who can....
felixis99: I do because I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I guess the best we can do try to live our own lives in a way that suits our values, vote wisely (for those of us who can), and speak out when we can.....for those of us who can....
This is an emotive subject and I don't condemn anyone who has an opposite viewpoint to me, I wish to cause no bad feeling to those that have lost someone.
May your God go with you. JMO>
Aragorn11: Have you
Haven't seen people justifying the criminals in this thread so your point of opponents of the death penalty justifying the criminals is not accurate.
It's the system, I and others, have an issue with.
A judicial system that allows for innocent people being put to death is just wrong in any society, and a system that is weighted towards the rich and powerful and weighted against the poor and racial minorities should not have the power to put anyone to death imo.
I have no compassion for anyone who commits heinous crimes, lock them up for life on bread and water as far as I'm concerned.
Very emotive subject, as you say
Haven't seen people justifying the criminals in this thread so your point of opponents of the death penalty justifying the criminals is not accurate.
It's the system, I and others, have an issue with.
A judicial system that allows for innocent people being put to death is just wrong in any society, and a system that is weighted towards the rich and powerful and weighted against the poor and racial minorities should not have the power to put anyone to death imo.
I have no compassion for anyone who commits heinous crimes, lock them up for life on bread and water as far as I'm concerned.
Very emotive subject, as you say
I don't really think we are that far apart in our thinking, but we also do not completely agree. You will get further asking about hamburgers and French fries with me if persuasion is your goal?
It's simply my opinion. I have no desire nor any interest in persuading anyone. Life can be so much more fun than that.
I have issues with the system also. No countries' judicial system is perfect including ours. These institutions are run by humans and subject to human error. Because of that they need to operate to protect the public while also acknowledging doubt in the absence of evidence (when that is the case) and sometimes they do not. Sometimes they do have all the evidence they need and the privileged walk. Sometimes justice is actually accomplished, the process is slow but it needs to be. That causes stress to victims and their families, and that is unfortunate. The list of problems within the system could go on forever. But I would rather have one than have anarchy. I can say that I have been a victim of the system myself, but I have also benefitted from it in other ways. I feel safe on my streets. I am thankful for that.
To me, letting someone who commits an irrefutably heinous act live to keep on doing so not only disrespects the victim, but justifies the criminal by saying what they did was not really that bad. These are of course, or should be, very rare instances. I am 200% on the side of the victim. period. (I'd make a horrible DA) lol
Have a nice day and don't waste your time on me. it will get you nowhere
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rohaan: I understand. I do believe that your comments and insights were well-thought and extremely valid, for what it's worth. Perhaps this thread has run its course, but I will always believe it is a good thing to have our ideas and beliefs out there, and yes, it can cause angst, etc...but this club is about discussing current events and all kinds of things, and everyone has a right to comment as he or she sees it. JMO
I agree with you 100%. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it felt more like an attack than a debate.
Willow3939: I agree with you 100%. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it felt more like an attack than a debate.
I'll be on your side forevermore, that's what friends are for..
fo' shure..........
rohaan: I'll be on your side forevermore, that's what friends are for..fo' shure..........
Hi Willow: Just took a look at your photos--MY YER PURTY!! Especially like the last window--blue dress and flower. You are a winner, lovie!!
Thank you. 
--Okay okay--I just took a look at your photos. MY YER HANDSOME!!
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal... )
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal...
)rohaan: --Okay okay--I just took a look at your photos. MY YER HANDSOME!!
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal... )
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal... )
Shucks--that was for brownboot....
rohaan: --Okay okay--I just took a look at your photos. MY YER HANDSOME!!
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal... )
(didn't want to leave you out, mate. but...I did mean it.....you devilish rascal... )
I tried to take a look at your photos. Imagine my surprise when I discovered there are none. 
What's up with that?
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.
When murders are banned, then the death sentence should be banned. What is good for someone to do to another human being, should be good enough to be done to them.... JMO.
Willow3939: I tried to take a look at your photos. Imagine my surprise when I discovered there are none. What's up with that?
I just choose not to post a pic publicly. When I get to know someone to the point of being fairly comfortable, I will send that individual a pic to their CS e-mail, if they are agreeable. It's a matter of believing people shouldn't make judgments based on looks. BTW--everyone says I'm cute/handsome/winsome--sometimes I don't feel so pretty, ah, hem, but I don't mind when people tell me that, and I'm not exactly the worst apple in the orchard...
rohaan: I just choose not to post a pic publicly. When I get to know someone to the point of being fairly comfortable, I will send that individual a pic to their CS e-mail, if they are agreeable. It's a matter of believing people shouldn't make judgments based on looks. BTW--everyone says I'm cute/handsome/winsome--sometimes I don't feel so pretty, ah, hem, but I don't mind when people tell me that, and I'm not exactly the worst apple in the orchard...
Okay. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.Willow3939: Okay. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
What about the people who are executed and later proved innocent. You bring them back to life.
How do you console their loved ones????????
tomcatwarne: What about the people who are executed and later proved innocent. You bring them back to life.
How do you console their loved ones????????
How do you console their loved ones????????
Well, the manipulation of the law and the lax invistigative and judicial systems that are open to corruption is the problem here.
I didn't think that this was about the judicial systems and their failures, but about the principal of the 'death sentence'. To be fair, only death is the most humane way to treat some really sick individuals.
So my comment and opinion is dealing with the 'death sentence' not the judicial process that leads up to it.
Cheers.
Halv0: Well, the manipulation of the law and the lax invistigative and judicial systems that are open to corruption is the problem here.
I didn't think that this was about the judicial systems and their failures, but about the principal of the 'death sentence'. To be fair, only death is the most humane way to treat some really sick individuals.
So my comment and opinion is dealing with the 'death sentence' not the judicial process that leads up to it.
Cheers.
I didn't think that this was about the judicial systems and their failures, but about the principal of the 'death sentence'. To be fair, only death is the most humane way to treat some really sick individuals.
So my comment and opinion is dealing with the 'death sentence' not the judicial process that leads up to it.
Cheers.
Capital punishment was formally abolished in Australia when it was last used in 1967, when Ronald Ryan was hanged in Victoria. Ryan was the last of 137 people executed in the 20th century and prior to his execution Queensland and New South Wales had already abolished the death penalty for murder. Brenda Hodge became the last person sentenced to death in August 1984. Her sentence was commuted to life imprisonment and she was paroled in 1995. It was removed as a punishment for murder in all states by 1984 when the state of Western Australia abolished the death penalty for all crimes, and the next year NSW removed death as a possible punishment for treason, piracy and arson of naval dockyards.
I have often wondered why the legal system has/had the right to Capital
Punishment when the heavily convicted do not get that option.
I personally would rather die than spend 5 short years in jail never mind prison. Why is that.
Punishment when the heavily convicted do not get that option.
I personally would rather die than spend 5 short years in jail never mind prison. Why is that.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty.
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
Len05: I'm outspoken for the death penalty.
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
Well said.
Len05: I'm outspoken for the death penalty.
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
not for a single murder, or a violent theft, or any other. especially not for emotional murders.
Having emotions is probably one of the best things to have a good life after such a situation.
I'm outspoken for the death penalty for the big guys.
the leaders of ENRON who frauded a lot of people out of their pension funds.
Ponzi who made an evil economic scheme.
Madoff who made knowingly a ponzi scheme.
Imelda Marcos and husband president: stealing form the Pinoys.
Viktor Yanukovych: president ukrain and known for his excesses.
Those that frauded in the banking.
In my opinion those who damage the society so badly for private gains.
Excesses damaging people and society should get the punishment.
The fifa guys, the volkswagen guy polluting our air,
And these are the things were punishment would be a deterrent...
African warlords (for private gains) hussein, kadhaffi, the egyptian mubarak, koroma,
Drugs warlords, cheating for money.
but also american politicians taking bribes.
The sigarette story, if it was known it was bad and the bosses of the company tries to hide it, they should get put to death, not pay their way out of it.
Same with oil majors paying to hide global warming by buying scientists.
There really is a scale in evilness.
youtube eddie izzard mass murder start at 1m50
It seems like you are after the 1 percenters, and lets also include European politicians who take bribes. Please provide evidence for the American Politicians you refer to?
There are some capital crimes like Treason that can carry a death penalty that are not Murder One. But whether one agrees with the execution as a penalty or not, it has not been established as a deterrent to stop crime. That makes sense to you and I because we are reasonable rational people.
So it is hard to conceptualize a world where the threat of death penalty would not stop someone from committing a murder. But clearly that world exists. So those who see it as a deterrent need to find a new argument.
Personally I think it should not be an option in most cases. In your scenario, for anyone to be left alive we'd have to find some totally honest people. There is no such thing. Everyone is corruptible if you push the right buttons. What would do to preserve your wealth if you had millions or billions. Would you tell a lie to keep it?
Most of the civilised world have already banned it..
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Don't tell me the child is not a "living creature" before it is born and don't tell me it is not a murder to decide whether it will live or die...
We are blood thirsty animals by nature and we kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people each year by drugs, vaccines, food and so on...
We have taken over God's or let's say nature's functions and we play with life in a horrific way.
Anyway, who cares...