Does SEAL's Dad deserve an investigation? (74)
Try searching: Trump's tweets on slain SEAL.
This is what comes up first on my screen...
Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’
Miami Herald - 1 day agoAMP
This is what comes up first on my screen...
Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’
Miami Herald - 1 day agoAMP
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According to the Herald, Bill Owens served four years in the Navy, then joined the Army Reserve in Arlington Heights. Ryan was born in Peoria. While in the Reserve, Bill worked for Caterpillar until he was laid off during the recession in the 1980s.
Shortly thereafter, he saw a notice in a military magazine for new recruits for the Fort Lauderdale Police Department, and he successfully applied.
Shortly thereafter, he saw a notice in a military magazine for new recruits for the Fort Lauderdale Police Department, and he successfully applied.
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mykingdomforanam: Miami Herald
POLITICS FEBRUARY 26, 2017 12:11 AM
Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’
William Owens, clutching a photo of son Ryan, the SEAL killed in a January commando raid, says the administration is wrong to say that anyone who questions the raid does his son a disservice. emichot@miamiherald.com
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says.
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says. emichot@miamiherald.com
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers.
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers. Courtesy of the Owens family
BY JULIE K. BROWN
jbrown@MiamiHerald.com
When they brought William “Ryan” Owens home, the Navy SEAL was carried from a C-17 military plane in a flag-draped casket, onto the tarmac at Dover Air Force Base, as President Donald Trump, his daughter, Ivanka, and Owens’ family paid their respects.
It was a private transfer, as the family had requested. No media and no bystanders, except for some military dignitaries.
Owens’ father, Bill, had learned only a short time before the ceremony that Trump was coming. Owens was sitting with his wife, Marie, and other family members in the solemn, living room-like space where the loved ones of the fallen assemble before they are taken to the flight line.
“I’m sorry, I don’t want to see him,’’ Owens recalled telling the chaplain who informed him that Trump was on his way from Washington. “I told them I don’t want to meet the President.”
William Owens shows the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously.Emily MichotMiami Herald Staff
Now, Owens cringed at the thought of having to shake the hand of the president who approved the raid in Yemen that claimed his son’s life — an operation that he and others are now calling into question.
“I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens said Friday, speaking out for the first time in an interview with the Miami Herald.
Owens, also a military veteran, was troubled by Trump’s harsh treatment of a Gold Star family during his presidential campaign.
Now Owens was a Gold Star parent, and he said he had deep reservations about the way the decision was made to launch what would be his son’s last mission.
Ryan and as many as 29 civilians were killed Jan. 28 in the anti-terrorism mission in Yemen. What was intended as a lightning raid to grab cellphones, laptops and other information about terrorists turned into a nearly hour-long firefight in which “everything went wrong,” according to U.S. military officials who spoke to the New York Times.
Bill Owens said he was assured that his son, who was shot, was killed early in the fight. It was the first military counter-terrorist operation approved by the new president, who signed the go-ahead Jan. 26 — six days into his term.
“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones."
What are you on , whatever it is stop using it . If you knew anything at all you would know the raid would have been planned weeks in advance . War does not stop just because a President changes . Suggest you cut your hair and get a real job hippyPOLITICS FEBRUARY 26, 2017 12:11 AM
Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’
William Owens, clutching a photo of son Ryan, the SEAL killed in a January commando raid, says the administration is wrong to say that anyone who questions the raid does his son a disservice. emichot@miamiherald.com
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says.
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says. emichot@miamiherald.com
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers.
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers. Courtesy of the Owens family
BY JULIE K. BROWN
jbrown@MiamiHerald.com
When they brought William “Ryan” Owens home, the Navy SEAL was carried from a C-17 military plane in a flag-draped casket, onto the tarmac at Dover Air Force Base, as President Donald Trump, his daughter, Ivanka, and Owens’ family paid their respects.
It was a private transfer, as the family had requested. No media and no bystanders, except for some military dignitaries.
Owens’ father, Bill, had learned only a short time before the ceremony that Trump was coming. Owens was sitting with his wife, Marie, and other family members in the solemn, living room-like space where the loved ones of the fallen assemble before they are taken to the flight line.
“I’m sorry, I don’t want to see him,’’ Owens recalled telling the chaplain who informed him that Trump was on his way from Washington. “I told them I don’t want to meet the President.”
William Owens shows the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously.Emily MichotMiami Herald Staff
Now, Owens cringed at the thought of having to shake the hand of the president who approved the raid in Yemen that claimed his son’s life — an operation that he and others are now calling into question.
“I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens said Friday, speaking out for the first time in an interview with the Miami Herald.
Owens, also a military veteran, was troubled by Trump’s harsh treatment of a Gold Star family during his presidential campaign.
Now Owens was a Gold Star parent, and he said he had deep reservations about the way the decision was made to launch what would be his son’s last mission.
Ryan and as many as 29 civilians were killed Jan. 28 in the anti-terrorism mission in Yemen. What was intended as a lightning raid to grab cellphones, laptops and other information about terrorists turned into a nearly hour-long firefight in which “everything went wrong,” according to U.S. military officials who spoke to the New York Times.
Bill Owens said he was assured that his son, who was shot, was killed early in the fight. It was the first military counter-terrorist operation approved by the new president, who signed the go-ahead Jan. 26 — six days into his term.
“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones."
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So, that's your answer to a police officer who served in the Navy, the Reserve, and raised three miltary sons, when he holds Trump responsible for his son's death, and wants an investigation?
Really?
Really?
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This time when I searched: trump tweets on slain seal, the first article to pop up says...
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"It has also been pointed out that in the morning after the attack, one of the first things Mr Trump did was tweet angrily about the New York Times..."
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"It has also been pointed out that in the morning after the attack, one of the first things Mr Trump did was tweet angrily about the New York Times..."
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That article also says this...
That article also says this...
Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all.
That article has a picture of Obama in the Situation Room, when the SEALS killed Bin Laden.
That article also says this...
Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all.
That article has a picture of Obama in the Situation Room, when the SEALS killed Bin Laden.
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puppet bathhouse barry's wars in libya/egypt/seria/ukraine/iraq
caused millions of deaths, and this mission was originally planned
by bozo as well, so where was yer outrage during the muslim divider
in chiefs reign hippy? hmmmmm?
caused millions of deaths, and this mission was originally planned
by bozo as well, so where was yer outrage during the muslim divider
in chiefs reign hippy? hmmmmm?
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Here's the title of the article that popped up first, when I searched: trump tweets on slain SEAL...
Donald Trump not in Situation Room for 'botched' Yemen raid that killed up to 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL
Donald Trump not in Situation Room for 'botched' Yemen raid that killed up to 30 civilians and one US Navy SEAL
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crayons: puppet bathhouse barry's wars in libya/egypt/seria/ukraine/iraq
caused millions of deaths, and this mission was originally planned
by bozo as well, so where was yer outrage during the muslim divider
in chiefs reign hippy? hmmmmm?
caused millions of deaths, and this mission was originally planned
by bozo as well, so where was yer outrage during the muslim divider
in chiefs reign hippy? hmmmmm?
Trump talked so much about how incompetant Obama was...
But he keeps doing what you claim Obama would've done?
How stupid is that?
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apparently it needed to be done to gain intel and save lives...
they "were after computers and files".
under O'Choooma, things would have gotten really screwed up, like a
mslsd cnn rachel madcow sponsered hippy party.
they "were after computers and files".
under O'Choooma, things would have gotten really screwed up, like a
mslsd cnn rachel madcow sponsered hippy party.
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epirb: What are you on , whatever it is stop using it . If you knew anything at all you would know the raid would have been planned weeks in advance . War does not stop just because a President changes . Suggest you cut your hair and get a real job hippy
Correct, as the mission was initially planned through the Obama Administration months prior to as well as reviewed up to Trump taking office. Trump Administration thoroughly reviewed it as well, got all top officials approval and it was carried out.------ This poll is Archived ------
crayons: apparently it needed to be done to gain intel and save lives...
they "were after computers and files".
under O'Choooma, things would have gotten really screwed up, like a
mslsd cnn rachel madcow sponsered hippy party.
they "were after computers and files".
under O'Choooma, things would have gotten really screwed up, like a
mslsd cnn rachel madcow sponsered hippy party.
It's Obama's fault Trump fired everybody who knew about the plan, and tried it anyway?
How long after a president takes office, before he's responsible for his own actions?
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crayons: apparently it needed to be done to gain intel and save lives...
they "were after computers and files".
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they "were after computers and files".
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Intelligence leak!
Telling ISIS what the SEALS were there for.
This is something else Obama did, that telepropter Trump talked bad about!
Telling the enemy what we're doing!
Who's fault is that?
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it was an intel gathering mission which tells
me this group of al'cia'da went rogue, had to be cleaned up...
many enemy combatants were terminated.
if it hadnt been for the puppet king O'boohoo and the neocons/neolibs
we would not have these problems...including all the sedicious malcontents and
treasonous bad actors all hired by the puppet muslim divider in chief by design
to create chaos...
no one is talking about "bozo's bunker house" 2 miles away
from the white house and his 35K army of his own funded brownshirts causing chaos,riots
and protests...add to the mix david brock and his moveon.org soros paid
queerbait hippy minions,subversives and leftist saul alinsky followers
& deadbeat hippy malcontents.
they're kinda like what you're starting to sound like; only much worse.
me this group of al'cia'da went rogue, had to be cleaned up...
many enemy combatants were terminated.
if it hadnt been for the puppet king O'boohoo and the neocons/neolibs
we would not have these problems...including all the sedicious malcontents and
treasonous bad actors all hired by the puppet muslim divider in chief by design
to create chaos...
no one is talking about "bozo's bunker house" 2 miles away
from the white house and his 35K army of his own funded brownshirts causing chaos,riots
and protests...add to the mix david brock and his moveon.org soros paid
queerbait hippy minions,subversives and leftist saul alinsky followers
& deadbeat hippy malcontents.
they're kinda like what you're starting to sound like; only much worse.
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mykingdomforanam: It's Obama's fault Trump fired everybody who knew about the plan, and tried it anyway?
How long after a president takes office, before he's responsible for his own actions?
Surely you're not suggesting that Obama never bothered to inform and update Trump about the pending mission prior to his taking office? How long after a president takes office, before he's responsible for his own actions?
What kind of president would do such a thing?
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YouMeUs: Surely you're not suggesting that Obama never bothered to inform and update Trump about the pending mission prior to his taking office?
What kind of president would do such a thing?
What kind of president would do such a thing?
No, I don't think Obama's to blame for Trump's descision.
I think Trump was too busy putting his uninformed cronies in office, to bother listening to Obama, or the intelligence he had gathered.
That would explain this quote...
"Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all."
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mykingdomforanam: No, I don't think Obama's to blame for Trump's descision.
I think Trump was too busy putting his uninformed cronies in office, to bother listening to Obama, or the intelligence he had gathered.
That would explain this quote...
"Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all."
...and you draw your conclusion from claims?I think Trump was too busy putting his uninformed cronies in office, to bother listening to Obama, or the intelligence he had gathered.
That would explain this quote...
"Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all."
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My conclusion isn't what this thread's about.
Answer the question, before you ask me another one.
Answer the question, before you ask me another one.
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YouMeUs: Surely you're not suggesting that Obama never bothered to inform and update Trump about the pending mission prior to his taking office?
What kind of president would do such a thing?
What kind of president would do such a thing?
Laughed out loud at Your post, You cut right to the chase...
never thought we'd have to see this 1960's demonic saul alinsky & little
billy ayers wannabe weather underground hippy terrorist nonsense all over again...
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crayons: Laughed out loud at Your post, You cut right to the chase...
never thought we'd have to see this 1960's demonic saul alinsky & little
billy ayers wannabe weather underground hippy terrorist nonsense all over again...
never thought we'd have to see this 1960's demonic saul alinsky & little
billy ayers wannabe weather underground hippy terrorist nonsense all over again...
Yep, another uneducated Trump lover.
Full of red hherring and personal attacks.. without the ability to address the topic.
It's a yes or no question.
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mykingdomforanam: My conclusion isn't what this thread's about.
Answer the question, before you ask me another one.
Your question was already answered in the other thread about this topic...and you participated in it.Answer the question, before you ask me another one.
But if it appeases you...Yes, he does deserve an investigation just as all of them do.
And it has already undergone the process long before your poll was ever created.
So what you on about?
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"Yes, he does deserve an investigation just as all of them do.
And it has already undergone the process long before your poll was ever created"
Please post proof the investigation has already undergone the process, long before I created this poll.
And it has already undergone the process long before your poll was ever created"
Please post proof the investigation has already undergone the process, long before I created this poll.
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crayons: Laughed out loud at Your post, You cut right to the chase...
never thought we'd have to see this 1960's demonic saul alinsky & little
billy ayers wannabe weather underground hippy terrorist nonsense all over again...
Mainly because it's plain to see that it's just another one of those Hate Trump bait threads.never thought we'd have to see this 1960's demonic saul alinsky & little
billy ayers wannabe weather underground hippy terrorist nonsense all over again...
...just wait until they catch wind of the witches.
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mykingdomforanam:
Please post proof the investigation has already undergone the process, long before I created this poll.
Please post proof the investigation has already undergone the process, long before I created this poll.
in laymans terms...it's standard protocol for commanding officers
to debrief all those who participated in that particular mission.
any questions or discrepencies about that particular mission move up
the chain of command to determine whether or not the mission
could have been handled better by those who participated in
the said mission.
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I think that there should be a investigation. Not necessarily to give reason to the fallen SEAL father for the mission.
But rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
But rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
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TTom50: I think that there should be a investigation. Not necessarily to give reason to the fallen SEAL father for the mission.
But rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
Thank you sir... this is what we already determinedBut rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
on the first thread till the the hawian got combative and decided to start a poll.
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TTom50: I think that there should be a investigation. Not necessarily to give reason to the fallen SEAL father for the mission.
But rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
As I said earlier today , I think the US in in the throws of a revolution , just who could Trump get to investigate the deliberate release of information to the Islamist forces , CIA and FBI are out of control . As well as some senior GOP , middle America best show its hand very soon .But rather find out if a White House leak or Washington leak......gave warning to the alQeada defenders of the night time mission.
If so. That is treason.
Seems the alQeada defenders were waiting for the SEAL team move on the headquarters. Then ambushed the SEALs.
If that is the case, some one by some how gave the alQeada unit forewarning of the coming raid.
Most recent report out of Washington, says President Trump is in favor of such a investigation.
RIP SEAL Bryan Owen
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Innocent lives have always been regarded as expendable by military and government leaders, nothing new. When things go wrong they clam up,
Wars are always started by leaders who want something someone else has, never in human history has a population risen up and asked its leaders to go to war.
Wars are always started by leaders who want something someone else has, never in human history has a population risen up and asked its leaders to go to war.
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mykingdomforanam: Yep, another uneducated Trump lover.
Full of red hherring and personal attacks.. without the ability to address the topic.
It's a yes or no question.
Full of red hherring and personal attacks.. without the ability to address the topic.
It's a yes or no question.
Another Trump basher .
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mykingdomforanam: That article also says this...
That article also says this...
Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all.
That article has a picture of Obama in the Situation Room, when the SEALS killed Bin Laden.
That article also says this...
Amid claims that Mr Trump ordered the operation in the early hours of Sunday morning without sufficient intelligence, ground support or back-up, it has emerged that the President was not in the Situation Room at all.
That article has a picture of Obama in the Situation Room, when the SEALS killed Bin Laden.
yep,only reason he was in the Situation- Room,was because they dragged him off the Golf-Course!
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Does SEAL's Dad deserve an investigation?(Vote Below)
POLITICS FEBRUARY 26, 2017 12:11 AM
Slain SEAL’s dad wants answers: ‘Don’t hide behind my son’s death’
William Owens, clutching a photo of son Ryan, the SEAL killed in a January commando raid, says the administration is wrong to say that anyone who questions the raid does his son a disservice. emichot@miamiherald.com
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says.
William Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea holds the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously. He was determined ‘to be the best,’ the father says. emichot@miamiherald.com
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers.
Ryan dreamed of serving in the military from a very early age, his father says. In this family photo, he is playing soldier with his older brothers. Courtesy of the Owens family
BY JULIE K. BROWN
jbrown@MiamiHerald.com
When they brought William “Ryan” Owens home, the Navy SEAL was carried from a C-17 military plane in a flag-draped casket, onto the tarmac at Dover Air Force Base, as President Donald Trump, his daughter, Ivanka, and Owens’ family paid their respects.
It was a private transfer, as the family had requested. No media and no bystanders, except for some military dignitaries.
Owens’ father, Bill, had learned only a short time before the ceremony that Trump was coming. Owens was sitting with his wife, Marie, and other family members in the solemn, living room-like space where the loved ones of the fallen assemble before they are taken to the flight line.
“I’m sorry, I don’t want to see him,’’ Owens recalled telling the chaplain who informed him that Trump was on his way from Washington. “I told them I don’t want to meet the President.”
It had been little more than 24 hours since six officers in dress uniform knocked on the door to Owens’ home in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea. It was not yet daylight when he answered the door, already knowing in the pit of his stomach what they had come to tell him.
William Owens shows the medals his son earned, some of them posthumously.Emily MichotMiami Herald Staff
Now, Owens cringed at the thought of having to shake the hand of the president who approved the raid in Yemen that claimed his son’s life — an operation that he and others are now calling into question.
“I told them I didn’t want to make a scene about it, but my conscience wouldn’t let me talk to him,” Owens said Friday, speaking out for the first time in an interview with the Miami Herald.
Owens, also a military veteran, was troubled by Trump’s harsh treatment of a Gold Star family during his presidential campaign.
Now Owens was a Gold Star parent, and he said he had deep reservations about the way the decision was made to launch what would be his son’s last mission.
Ryan and as many as 29 civilians were killed Jan. 28 in the anti-terrorism mission in Yemen. What was intended as a lightning raid to grab cellphones, laptops and other information about terrorists turned into a nearly hour-long firefight in which “everything went wrong,” according to U.S. military officials who spoke to the New York Times.
Bill Owens said he was assured that his son, who was shot, was killed early in the fight. It was the first military counter-terrorist operation approved by the new president, who signed the go-ahead Jan. 26 — six days into his term.
“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones."