How conventional is your way of thinking? Please read the story below and choose one answer (64)
I voted for no, he will face jail time because in this day and age, if caught, no matter what the reason is for stealing something, you will go to jail. People go to jail for much less everyday. If it were me, I would raise the money by selling everything. I would still do whatever it took to get the meds but I wouldn't go to jail over it. My kid is a different story, I would go to jail for her in a heartbeat. JMO
I voted that his wife's life is more important than the law.
He goes to jail?
WTF, he'll get out and still have his wife, or at least the satisfaction that he did everything to safe her.
He goes to jail?
WTF, he'll get out and still have his wife, or at least the satisfaction that he did everything to safe her.
I voted for ' his wife's life is more important than the law' ...yes after all the law was just written by men not by God,then after she is healed if he goes to jail ,I hope she sticks around or if he manages to get away with it he should find a way to pay the money to the pharmacist to clear his conscious.
Big_John: My wife died from cancer and there is nothing I wouldn't have done to help her.
I might be one of the few people answering this question who have lived through this situation. Luckily I didn't have to make this decision because Liz received excellent medical care; it just didn't work.
I can tell you that I knew Liz for 40 years. I was married to her for 38 years. She has been the greatest person in my life.
Without a doubt I would have done anything and everything to save her. Jail wouldn't even come into my thought process. My life wouldn't have been important, only hers. Caring for somebody and loving somebody in my humble opinion has no boundaries. I would do it and have no regrets.
Big_John: I might be one of the few people answering this question who have lived through this situation. Luckily I didn't have to make this decision because Liz received excellent medical care; it just didn't work.
I can tell you that I knew Liz for 40 years. I was married to her for 38 years. She has been the greatest person in my life.
Without a doubt I would have done anything and everything to save her. Jail wouldn't even come into my thought process. My life wouldn't have been important, only hers. Caring for somebody and loving somebody in my humble opinion has no boundaries. I would do it and have no regrets.
I can tell you that I knew Liz for 40 years. I was married to her for 38 years. She has been the greatest person in my life.
Without a doubt I would have done anything and everything to save her. Jail wouldn't even come into my thought process. My life wouldn't have been important, only hers. Caring for somebody and loving somebody in my humble opinion has no boundaries. I would do it and have no regrets.
I have huge respect for you.
My parents were married nearly 50 years when my father died of cancer, and my mother would have done anything to keep him.
Big_John: I might be one of the few people answering this question who have lived through this situation. Luckily I didn't have to make this decision because Liz received excellent medical care; it just didn't work.
I can tell you that I knew Liz for 40 years. I was married to her for 38 years. She has been the greatest person in my life.
Without a doubt I would have done anything and everything to save her. Jail wouldn't even come into my thought process. My life wouldn't have been important, only hers. Caring for somebody and loving somebody in my humble opinion has no boundaries. I would do it and have no regrets.
I can tell you that I knew Liz for 40 years. I was married to her for 38 years. She has been the greatest person in my life.
Without a doubt I would have done anything and everything to save her. Jail wouldn't even come into my thought process. My life wouldn't have been important, only hers. Caring for somebody and loving somebody in my humble opinion has no boundaries. I would do it and have no regrets.
if you truely love someone the way this story reads then life is always worth more than man's law,but i the eyes of the higher power meaning god yes i said god.it is wrong but to give of yourself to save or help others is the greatest gift we can give to another lover,friend,family or a stanger.so yes i would give my all for another,for i know god will bless me in the end.
I voted no, stealing is always wrong. I cant bring myself to do it no matter the cause, but I would certainly not be against "convincing" the pharmacist to give it to me for cheaper. He will forget about the $900 profit when he has a broken face and a fingers. Maybe its no better than stealing but he had it coming for extorting that poor mans love for his wife. jail time is jail time whether for stealing or beating, I personally would rather do time for beating than stealing.
Im a mix of conventional and free minded.Im not easily swayed by fashion or the in thing but I would like to think that im open to change and new experiences-to a point.
I would'nt exactly call it stealing....I would call it borrowing......
OK guys, here are the interpretations of the different answers, sorry it is a bit late, it has been nighttime in Australia, its now Monday morning here!
According to Kohlberg's theory of moral development, there are 3 stages of moral reasoning. It is not important whether you said yes he should steal, or no he shouldnt, it is the reasoning behind it that determines the stage of reasoning you may have reached (remember, this is only a theory!)In this poll, there is a "yes" and a "no" answer for each level.
The first level is Pre-conventional thinking; this is the level children function at, concerned with punishment and reward. Answering "yes, if he is careful not to get caught" or "no, he would face a possible jail sentence" both fit into this level.
The second level is Conventional thinking; most people, according to my psychology book and this theory, fit this category. This is connected with the approval of others and maintaining law and order. Answering "yes, or he would lose his friends' respect" or "no, stealing is always wrong" would fit this category.
The third level is called Post-conventional morality. This is the morality of abstract, self-defined principles that may or may not match the dominant morals of the time. Only 5% of adults are said to reach this level! (I questioned this..hence the poll...and from the poll it appears that far more than 5% think this way) A swering "no, his conscience will bother him" or "no, his wife's life is more important than law" fit this level..
Maybe, if this very unscientific and informal poll gives any kind of indication, our current level of moral reasoning acceptable in modern society has reached a post-conventional level?
Some very interesting comments, hope it got you thinking....
According to Kohlberg's theory of moral development, there are 3 stages of moral reasoning. It is not important whether you said yes he should steal, or no he shouldnt, it is the reasoning behind it that determines the stage of reasoning you may have reached (remember, this is only a theory!)In this poll, there is a "yes" and a "no" answer for each level.
The first level is Pre-conventional thinking; this is the level children function at, concerned with punishment and reward. Answering "yes, if he is careful not to get caught" or "no, he would face a possible jail sentence" both fit into this level.
The second level is Conventional thinking; most people, according to my psychology book and this theory, fit this category. This is connected with the approval of others and maintaining law and order. Answering "yes, or he would lose his friends' respect" or "no, stealing is always wrong" would fit this category.
The third level is called Post-conventional morality. This is the morality of abstract, self-defined principles that may or may not match the dominant morals of the time. Only 5% of adults are said to reach this level! (I questioned this..hence the poll...and from the poll it appears that far more than 5% think this way) A swering "no, his conscience will bother him" or "no, his wife's life is more important than law" fit this level..
Maybe, if this very unscientific and informal poll gives any kind of indication, our current level of moral reasoning acceptable in modern society has reached a post-conventional level?
Some very interesting comments, hope it got you thinking....
Sorry, thats obviously, "yes, his wife's life is more important than the law".....
it is only 6 am here in Oz, I need my coffee!!
Oh, and by the way, I think most of us if faced with a situation like this in real life may find our actions dont always follow our moral reasoning......
it is only 6 am here in Oz, I need my coffee!!
Oh, and by the way, I think most of us if faced with a situation like this in real life may find our actions dont always follow our moral reasoning......
'May' is better than doing nothing. Would your conscience bother you if you did nothing ?
goodfriend: I voted no as his conscience would bother him after all the doctor's have said that the treatment MAY save his wife's life not that it would most definately save her life..
Bearing in mind that pharmaceutical companies in general are the among the world's biggest mafia organizations, I'd "make him an offer he couldn't refuse"!
This very question does nothing more than bolster the worldwide mass conditioning that everyone NEEDS to be dependent upon these legal drug dealers in order to get or stay healthy, while the REAL reasons they get their cancers in the first place are kept covered up under a deliberate blanket of ignorance! (Want some examples...?)
"Radium" indeed...!!
This very question does nothing more than bolster the worldwide mass conditioning that everyone NEEDS to be dependent upon these legal drug dealers in order to get or stay healthy, while the REAL reasons they get their cancers in the first place are kept covered up under a deliberate blanket of ignorance! (Want some examples...?)
"Radium" indeed...!!
wearytraveller: This poll is a classic psychological test designed to discover the type of moral reasoning you have (according to one theory). Please read this scenario, and then choose the answer that most closely fits your thoughts; when 50 people have completed it, I will publish the kind of moral thinking your answer demonstrates, so follow it up!
A man's wife is dying of a rare form of cancer, and doctors agree that a newly discovered form of radium may save her life.A local pharmacist has developed this cure and is selling the radium treatment, each dose of which costs him around $100 to make. He sells it, however, for $1000 a dose. The man manages to raise half the cost of a course of treatment, but is unable to manage the rest. He pleads with the pharmacist to either sell it cheaply to him, or allow him to pay it off later..the pharmacist, howver, refuses, saying that he cannot make exceptions. The man becomes desperate; one night, he breaks into the pharmacist's premises and steals several doses of the new treatment.
The question you need to consider is: SHOULD HE HAVE DONE THIS?
A man's wife is dying of a rare form of cancer, and doctors agree that a newly discovered form of radium may save her life.A local pharmacist has developed this cure and is selling the radium treatment, each dose of which costs him around $100 to make. He sells it, however, for $1000 a dose. The man manages to raise half the cost of a course of treatment, but is unable to manage the rest. He pleads with the pharmacist to either sell it cheaply to him, or allow him to pay it off later..the pharmacist, howver, refuses, saying that he cannot make exceptions. The man becomes desperate; one night, he breaks into the pharmacist's premises and steals several doses of the new treatment.
The question you need to consider is: SHOULD HE HAVE DONE THIS?
wearytraveller: The question you need to consider is: SHOULD HE HAVE DONE THIS?
I would.
My life is my wife is my life; I can get back later and make it up to the pharmacist. Forced credit situations happens to everyone these days
Just to make things more interesting - and to test the moral consistency of the majority who believe theft is justifiable under exigent circumstances - would you kill the pharmacist if he physically prevented you from getting the antidote (and it was the only way to get it)? 
I voted no as stealing is wrong. I will do anything for my wife short of stealing and killing.
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Ambrose2007: Would you kill the pharmacist if he physically prevented you from getting the antidote?
No, I would not.
I find that people are so desperate to conform to cultural standards they fall into only the first two categories... But they wish they can fall into the third category...
Religion is the source of the first category
...
Culture is the source of the second category ...
Movies are the sourse of the third category ...
I'm no longer a kids so I don't really have to worry about the first category till after I die... That is why I got my "get out of hell free card" just in case...
I do worry about the second category cause I don't want to go to jail so I will obey the law... When they are looking of course...
I wish I can live by the third category but that only exists in the movies... Do whatever get's the job done... The BEEP with morality...
Religion is the source of the first category
... Culture is the source of the second category
...Movies are the sourse of the third category
...I'm no longer a kids so I don't really have to worry about the first category till after I die... That is why I got my "get out of hell free card" just in case...
I do worry about the second category cause I don't want to go to jail so I will obey the law... When they are looking of course...
I wish I can live by the third category but that only exists in the movies... Do whatever get's the job done... The BEEP with morality...
cameraman: I find that people are so desperate to conform to cultural standards they fall into only the first two categories... But they wish they can fall into the third category...
Religion is the source of the first category ...
Culture is the source of the second category ...
Movies are the sourse of the third category ...
I'm no longer a kids so I don't really have to worry about the first category till after I die... That is why I got my "get out of hell free card" just in case...
I do worry about the second category cause I don't want to go to jail so I will obey the law... When they are looking of course...
I wish I can live by the third category but that only exists in the movies... Do whatever get's the job done... The BEEP with morality...
Religion is the source of the first category ...
Culture is the source of the second category ...
Movies are the sourse of the third category ...
I'm no longer a kids so I don't really have to worry about the first category till after I die... That is why I got my "get out of hell free card" just in case...
I do worry about the second category cause I don't want to go to jail so I will obey the law... When they are looking of course...
I wish I can live by the third category but that only exists in the movies... Do whatever get's the job done... The BEEP with morality...
So you would kill the poor pharmacist, C?
Ambrose2007: So you would kill the poor pharmacist, C?
Nahh... Like Clint Eastwood... I would light a stick of dinamite with a long fuse and toss it into the store giving the pharmacist plenty of time to run for his life out the back door before walking in and removing the fuse from the dinamite and getting what I needed... Or like Arnold Schwarzenegger... I would kick in the door and say... "Give me medicine... Now"... And the pharmacist would say... "Ok... Sure... Take anything you want"... as he hands me the meds and watches in fear as I walk back out the door...
Ambrose2007: Just to make things more interesting - and to test the moral consistency of the majority who believe theft is justifiable under exigent circumstances - would you kill the pharmacist if he physically prevented you from getting the antidote (and it was the only way to get it)?
Here, I dont think there is quite so much dilemma, if you are justifying your actions morally and not just acting out of sheer emotion. In the poll, the value of a human life is weighed against property rights; in your scenario, the value of a human life is weighed against the value of another human life; hence, no, you would stop far short of killing the pharmacist!
1 -No, stealing is always wrong
2 -Yes, or he would lose his friend's respect
3 -No, he would face a possible jail sentence
4 -Yes, his wife's life is more important than law
5 -No, his conscience will bother him
6 -Yes, if he is careful not to get caught .
We know stealing is wrong ,but it seldom stops people from doing it .Which then leads to conscience - If you dont care about what is wrong then why listen to your conscience at all ?
'Jail' and 'Only if he doesn't get caught' - The Pharmacist would have saw the mans desperate behavior when he was in the shop - right away he becomes a suspect .And why risk a Jail sentence by stealing to cure the person who is dying when you will miss it anyway by being in prison ? Plus The Pharmacist knows your face ,will remember your 'behavior' and most likely will point at you first .
Life is no more important than law is . Without Law we would have no life ....etc
The only one I dont understand is the respect of the friend ? wheres the friend mentioned ?
Should he have done this ?! Each man to there own .Me ? Id plot a bit more ............ Detective Farley
2 -Yes, or he would lose his friend's respect
3 -No, he would face a possible jail sentence
4 -Yes, his wife's life is more important than law
5 -No, his conscience will bother him
6 -Yes, if he is careful not to get caught .
We know stealing is wrong ,but it seldom stops people from doing it .Which then leads to conscience - If you dont care about what is wrong then why listen to your conscience at all ?
'Jail' and 'Only if he doesn't get caught' - The Pharmacist would have saw the mans desperate behavior when he was in the shop - right away he becomes a suspect .And why risk a Jail sentence by stealing to cure the person who is dying when you will miss it anyway by being in prison ? Plus The Pharmacist knows your face ,will remember your 'behavior' and most likely will point at you first .
Life is no more important than law is . Without Law we would have no life ....etc
The only one I dont understand is the respect of the friend ? wheres the friend mentioned ?
Should he have done this ?! Each man to there own .Me ? Id plot a bit more ............ Detective Farley
i thought we got cookies after we finished???
oranges2apples: i thought we got cookies after we finished???
Nope ........think its plums
wearytraveller: If you mean the interpretations, look through the threads again Page 3 i think) as I posted those after 56 people had voted....
i read those, we whooped'em again didn't we Jose??yea kid whooped'em again.
i still want a cookie though
????? i'll be good.oranges2apples: i read those, we whooped'em again didn't we Jose??yea kid whooped'em again.
i still want a cookie though ????? i'll be good.
i still want a cookie though ????? i'll be good.
I'll post you an Arnott's Ginger Nut...you dunk it in your tea....which you drink strong with a dash of milk...
Or maybe you'd prefer a vegemite sandwich?
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and second, do you really think she would like the idea of her husband being in jail because of her and if he was caught, she probably would not receive the meds anyway.
And third, I am not married.
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