News! Who do you think is in the right?? (112)
The cop was out of line...abusing his power and ego.
It's the American way for a lot of officers...
It's the American way for a lot of officers...
SensualVixen: I am a retired Federal Attorney with the United States Department of Justice, so I do read the fine print and am well aware of criminal law since I not only hold a JD, but a PhD Doctorate in Criminal Justice with a BS major in criminology. I was also a federal agent for the Department of Treasury during my law years with that Department.
I do know some of the facts of this particular case, but not all. I will not speculate at this time of who is right and who is wrong.
Disorderly conduct is now used in place of the term disturbing the peace. It can be anything from public drunkenness to yellong obscenities at your neighbor's dog. It is a minor infraction of the law and usually doesn't even carry a prison sentence, just a fine and/or restitution.
I do know some of the facts of this particular case, but not all. I will not speculate at this time of who is right and who is wrong.
Disorderly conduct is now used in place of the term disturbing the peace. It can be anything from public drunkenness to yellong obscenities at your neighbor's dog. It is a minor infraction of the law and usually doesn't even carry a prison sentence, just a fine and/or restitution.
And if the minor infraction did not happen? If the guy was just annoyed? If the questioning police officers were less than cordial?
I am sure that with your expertise and experience in the legal domain - you have attended to cases/situations which were plainly wrong - but the 'alleged' perp. was warned, fined, jailed or 'death rowed' but was actually innocent and told the truth?
Your description of disorderly conduct is very open-ended - it could, in fact, in a court of law, include anything a police officer or the court considers disorderly!?
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StressFree: The cop was out of line...abusing his power and ego.
It's the American way for a lot of officers...
It's the American way for a lot of officers...
.........Its not only in America, my Friend.....happens all over the World....When I toured America as a young Man,I generally found the America police officers to be very polite,extremely helpful,and very well mannered when either I was lost or needed directions to get to certain destination.
J.D
galaxy15: And if the minor infraction did not happen? If the guy was just annoyed? If the questioning police officers were less than cordial?
I am sure that with your expertise and experience in the legal domain - you have attended to cases/situations which were plainly wrong - but the 'alleged' perp. was warned, fined, jailed or 'death rowed' but was actually innocent and told the truth?
Your description of disorderly conduct is very open-ended - it could, in fact, in a court of law, include anything a police officer or the court considers disorderly!?
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galaxy
I am sure that with your expertise and experience in the legal domain - you have attended to cases/situations which were plainly wrong - but the 'alleged' perp. was warned, fined, jailed or 'death rowed' but was actually innocent and told the truth?
Your description of disorderly conduct is very open-ended - it could, in fact, in a court of law, include anything a police officer or the court considers disorderly!?
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galaxy
Certainly, conduct unbecoming of an officer of law could be construed as disorderly conduct by a police officer. In the United States an officer goes before a police review board to summize if wrongful conduct was performed by the officer under scrutiny if there was a questionable arrest or arrests.
Certainly, people are sent to prison who are not guilty. Our justice system is not infallible, but I believe it is the best in the world.
SensualVixen: Certainly, conduct unbecoming of an officer of law could be construed as disorderly conduct by a police officer. In the United States an officer goes before a police review board to summize if wrongful conduct was performed by the officer under scrutiny if there was a questionable arrest or arrests.
Certainly, people are sent to prison who are not guilty. Our justice system is not infallible, but I believe it is the best in the world.
Certainly, people are sent to prison who are not guilty. Our justice system is not infallible, but I believe it is the best in the world.
My point is - who would know if there was 'conduct, unbecoming an officer'? And how, beyond doubt can this be proven. And 'construed' is quite a weasely word. Anything can be construed.
Being forcefully required to defend yourself against a wrongful charge, is, in itself a form of harrassment. Paying legal fees and court costs etc. is legalised theft - as far as I'm concerned. Sorry, that's how 'I' construe it.
The tort of the law falls on the side of the law.
I am also suggesting that this happens all over the world - not just in America.
Anyone ask the question of if Prof. Gates had a hide key? It might be interesting to know.
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I am a retired Federal Attorney with the United States Department of Justice, so I do read the fine print and am well aware of criminal law since I not only hold a JD, but a PhD Doctorate in Criminal Justice with a BS major in criminology. I was also a federal agent for the Department of Treasury during my law years with that Department. so what? 
SensualVixen: I am a retired Federal Attorney with the United States Department of Justice, so I do read the fine print and am well aware of criminal law since I not only hold a JD, but a PhD Doctorate in Criminal Justice with a BS major in criminology. I was also a federal agent for the Department of Treasury during my law years with that Department.
I do know some of the facts of this particular case, but not all. I will not speculate at this time of who is right and who is wrong.
Disorderly conduct is now used in place of the term disturbing the peace. It can be anything from public drunkenness to yellong obscenities at your neighbor's dog. It is a minor infraction of the law and usually doesn't even carry a prison sentence, just a fine and/or restitution.
I do know some of the facts of this particular case, but not all. I will not speculate at this time of who is right and who is wrong.
Disorderly conduct is now used in place of the term disturbing the peace. It can be anything from public drunkenness to yellong obscenities at your neighbor's dog. It is a minor infraction of the law and usually doesn't even carry a prison sentence, just a fine and/or restitution.
Sorry, but I still don't think any differently. I think for myself, it's a bad habit I know.
That TheresMyFriend person should have said in the beginning that he only wanted opinions that matched his own... I would have politely skipped this entire thread then. But who knew?
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It is entirely possible that the call that led to the police coming to Gates' home, as well as Gates' over-reaction to police questions, were both intentionally planned to create a nationwide race issue out of thin air.
Obama's major assignment as a NWO change agent is to provoke racial, ethnic, and class hostility which will lead to increased violence and thereby "justify" increasingly dictatorial police powers.
Obama's major assignment as a NWO change agent is to provoke racial, ethnic, and class hostility which will lead to increased violence and thereby "justify" increasingly dictatorial police powers.
RayfromUSA: It is entirely possible that the call that led to the police coming to Gates' home, as well as Gates' over-reaction to police questions, were both intentionally planned to create a nationwide race issue out of thin air.
Obama's major assignment as a NWO change agent is to provoke racial, ethnic, and class hostility which will lead to increased violence and thereby "justify" increasingly dictatorial police powers.
Obama's major assignment as a NWO change agent is to provoke racial, ethnic, and class hostility which will lead to increased violence and thereby "justify" increasingly dictatorial police powers.
I left out the most important thing.
The actual events of the story only set the scene.
The real thing that boosted this minor story into the international news is Obama's getting involved.
And I'm positive that wasn't innocent.
It will serve to create anti-Obama sentiment, but that's part of the plan too. Anti-regime sentiment is just about the strongest motivational force that politics can produce. It is the stuff that anarchy and revolution are made from.
But contrary to popular dogma, popular uprisings and revolutions don't generally lead to freedom, they usually lead to authoritarian government.
RayfromUSA: I left out the most important thing.
The actual events of the story only set the scene.
The real thing that boosted this minor story into the international news is Obama's getting involved.
And I'm positive that wasn't innocent.
It will serve to create anti-Obama sentiment, but that's part of the plan too. Anti-regime sentiment is just about the strongest motivational force that politics can produce. It is the stuff that anarchy and revolution are made from.
But contrary to popular dogma, popular uprisings and revolutions don't generally lead to freedom, they usually lead to authoritarian government.
The actual events of the story only set the scene.
The real thing that boosted this minor story into the international news is Obama's getting involved.
And I'm positive that wasn't innocent.
It will serve to create anti-Obama sentiment, but that's part of the plan too. Anti-regime sentiment is just about the strongest motivational force that politics can produce. It is the stuff that anarchy and revolution are made from.
But contrary to popular dogma, popular uprisings and revolutions don't generally lead to freedom, they usually lead to authoritarian government.
Something I noticed about Obama, concerning this issue, was when he mention the persons involved...it was always Mr Gates or Prof Gates...and when referring to Mr Crowley...it was 90% of the time..."the white police officer or the white cop"...not by his name. He did use the officer's name, but very little, in comparison to Gates!
This is my observation and opinion!
When speaking with an officer, always understand they are doing a job. If the job is handled wrong then the opportunity to sue would be the way to go. If the officer was in my opinion to do his job correctly, the point that it was his house should have prevented the arrest. Everyone was doing what was supposed to be done, the maturity of the officer certainly should understand that the professor was just back from China, was tired and was struggling with a jammed door(I believe). What a shame this happened. Now something like this is a Federal case. 
heatherhuntsman: When speaking with an officer, always understand they are doing a job. If the job is handled wrong then the opportunity to sue would be the way to go. If the officer was in my opinion to do his job correctly, the point that it was his house should have prevented the arrest. Everyone was doing what was supposed to be done, the maturity of the officer certainly should understand that the professor was just back from China, was tired and was struggling with a jammed door(I believe). What a shame this happened. Now something like this is a Federal case.
Hmmm, did you read the official police report on Gates? If not, I can give you a link, to read for yourself. Let me know if you want to read the report.
In my opinion(and having a police officer in the past)Mr Gates, was given an opportunity to tone down his comments, and out rage...before the arrest. He chose not to follow instructions, and faced the consequences. If he'd shown half as much respect to the officer, as they were allowed to show him. I've seen too many of these type situations, which you are given every opportunity to act in a civil manner.
of course, when dealing with the police ,help them sort out the problem Being tired is so much involved here from what I understand. What is relative is that when someone is tired I think the police have to look past the obvious.
heatherhuntsman: of course, when dealing with the police ,help them sort out the problem Being tired is so much involved here from what I understand. What is relative is that when someone is tired I think the police have to look past the obvious.
heatherhuntsman: of course, when dealing with the police ,help them sort out the problem Being tired is so much involved here from what I understand. What is relative is that when someone is tired I think the police have to look past the obvious.
Mr Gates is no dummy...he knew what he was doing...tired or not. He was asked several times to tone it down...and he refused.
Here is the link to Gates police report:
That, I hope...helps to let you understand more of what happened.
And to correct you in your earlier post...under certain circumstances...You CAN be arrested in your own home!
And...it's 12:30am here, and past my bed time...will check back tomorrow for your comment. Good night...take care
TheresMyFriend: Mr Gates is no dummy...he knew what he was doing...tired or not. He was asked several times to tone it down...and he refused.
Here is the link to Gates police report:
That, I hope...helps to let you understand more of what happened.
And to correct you in your earlier post...under certain circumstances...You CAN be arrested in your own home!
Here is the link to Gates police report:
That, I hope...helps to let you understand more of what happened.
And to correct you in your earlier post...under certain circumstances...You CAN be arrested in your own home!
Poor Prof. Gates, such a shame. I did hear that the 911 call did not mention race. I wonder if upon arrival, it did play some part in the arrest. It was stupid. I do feel for the officer too but come on...
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I think I might search out the full vers. I hear there is a new A. in Wonderland coming out next year!
My point being...
Two police officers - possible collusion
Locked out homeowner - (black or white), take it up the clakker!
I think we've all been caught in similar situations, some of us have ended up in court.
I used to get 'questioned', by the, 'o, uniformed ones', every Sunday morning, at the same time in the same place by the same officers for walking through an estate in a straight line down a street to my residence - back from my girlfriends house.
Reason - because I presented suspiciously?!
After two months I had had enough. The estate I was walking through was an asian (not wholly) estate. I pointed out that, people walking around the streets in pyjamas was, in all probablity, more suspicious than my weekly walk back home.
Go figure???
In my opinion, and it is only my humble opinion, your honour, there is nothing suspicious about me. But, if it pleases, your honour, you can deem anything I do as suspicious.
Apart from the sheer inconvenience and annoyance value - let alone mild to unwarranted harrassment, the law should more intelligently deal with situations, like the OP.
They could have, for instance - radioed the address to a database, found out who lived there, and asked the guy his name and D.O.B. Simple really. Or something similar.
The laws, in my opinion, are not the problem. The problem is the bending, twisting and contorting of the meaning of the law, by the administrators.
This, is what everyone is mad about.
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