Reincarnation: are you a believer? (95)
wildkittymt.view, Oklahoma USA34 Threads 1 Polls 1,308 PostsHarleyquinn: I was a believer in a past life, but not this one!?
It's very difficult for many people to really believe in reincarnation - after all, how does one believe that we all have an invisible soul that leaves our physical body at death and somehow enters a new body at birth? We can't see, hear, feel, taste or smell a person's soul - but just a minute here, we are relying on physical senses to inform us on what exists or doesn't exist. Remember, you can't hear or taste light and you can't see smell or taste sound.
rubendario: This is a repost from another forum of the same topic dated: Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:19 AM EST : Past Lives- Fact or Fiction?
I am just exploring this aspect of our being. But I do believe there is something to reincarnation..in fact it's written in the bible, people just refuse to see it. I don't think either of you are crazy and wish more people could experience something also to open their minds.
I too have had some childhood experiences where I would wake up my father at 3AM crying and screaming that someone is trying to kill him. He has also caught me in the middle of the night sleep dragging(like walking) around the floor, when asked what I was doing...I replied..I am wounded and need to seek safety, remembering nothing the next morning...this happened over and over many times. Why would a child drag himself around the house wounded seeking safety unconsciously?
In fact all religions will tell you that the soul is eternal, so time as we know it does not really exist..and who is to say we do not exist in alternate realities all at the same time. Slowly even science is starting to catch up with all these theories.
I am just exploring this aspect of our being. But I do believe there is something to reincarnation..in fact it's written in the bible, people just refuse to see it. I don't think either of you are crazy and wish more people could experience something also to open their minds.
I too have had some childhood experiences where I would wake up my father at 3AM crying and screaming that someone is trying to kill him. He has also caught me in the middle of the night sleep dragging(like walking) around the floor, when asked what I was doing...I replied..I am wounded and need to seek safety, remembering nothing the next morning...this happened over and over many times. Why would a child drag himself around the house wounded seeking safety unconsciously?
In fact all religions will tell you that the soul is eternal, so time as we know it does not really exist..and who is to say we do not exist in alternate realities all at the same time. Slowly even science is starting to catch up with all these theories.
I, too, have thought along these lines. Also, there are the "Lost Teachings of Yeshua,(Jesua), And the unaccounted for year of his life that he MAY have spent in the far east, learning.
RillyNiceGuy: If you take a gal to a dance and she loses her carnation.....I think you should reincarnation her so she doesn't look out of place amoung the other women.
thewall2: Yes......I BELIEVE.
Wow, I am not being insulting Wall please forgive me if I have insulted you. But it does surprise me, you also believe it is possible. Your other posts seem very, um "mainstream".
This is a nice facet to see in you, Mon Ami.
wildkitty: Can anyone explain this , ok i had a miscarriage that they say my body absorbed it, during my D&C surgery while they were taking a tube out of my throat i kept trying to talk, when they got it out i asked them where that bald headed man went, they laughed at me, when you are put under ,you are not suppose to know anything or dream, so what did i experience, til this day i still wonder who the bald headed man is.
I have had 15 surgeries, I came to in the midst od a few of them, rather unsettling. I think it is possible the Bald headed man you saw may be your Guardian Angel or Spirit Guide whom was guiding the surgeons in your operation.
Sometimes in altered states we MAY be able to see more clearly, those we cannot see in normal consciousnes.
Also, I have read of Ancestors we nebver knew nor met except in the transition to life before being born coming to the aid of their decendents. So this is also possible.
It may not be possible to ever totally know who/what/which he was.
I think you were given a special gift of reassurance.
Cherish it.
CjTenorSax: I have had 15 surgeries, I came to in the midst od a few of them, rather unsettling. I think it is possible the Bald headed man you saw may be your Guardian Angel or Spirit Guide whom was guiding the surgeons in your operation.
Sometimes in altered states we MAY be able to see more clearly, those we cannot see in normal consciousnes.
Also, I have read of Ancestors we nebver knew nor met except in the transition to life before being born coming to the aid of their decendents. So this is also possible.
It may not be possible to ever totally know who/what/which he was.
I think you were given a special gift of reassurance.
Cherish it.
thank you for shedding some light, i to thought maybe gaurdian angel, it is possible. And to may be an ancestor like you said, well all in all it was really weird,strange and yet at the same time unusually exciting. Maybe one of these days i will know what or who it actually was..Sometimes in altered states we MAY be able to see more clearly, those we cannot see in normal consciousnes.
Also, I have read of Ancestors we nebver knew nor met except in the transition to life before being born coming to the aid of their decendents. So this is also possible.
It may not be possible to ever totally know who/what/which he was.
I think you were given a special gift of reassurance.
Cherish it.
Oh i didn't mention this but my surgery was in st.marys catholic hospital. Notsureifthathad anything to do with it or not.that should say not sure if that had anything to do with it or not. my dogs kept bothering me when i was typing..lol.
CjTenorSax: I, too, have thought along these lines. Also, there are the "Lost Teachings of Yeshua,(Jesua), And the unaccounted for year of his life that he MAY have spent in the far east, learning.
I do have a copy of the "The Lost Years of Jesus," a very interesting documentary with some compelling information.
In short, all the religions in the far east have a legend of a boy whom masters their religion and moves on. The boy gets older and turns into a man and the trail from youth to manhood leads right up to the age of 30 when he baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan river near Bethany.
When studying Jesus teachings closely, they very much resemble the much older middle eastern religious thought and teachings.
I just want to come back as a dog - so I can get away with impulsive rear-sniffing .........
I do have a copy of the "The Lost Years of Jesus," a very interesting documentary with some compelling information.
In short, all the religions in the far east have a legend of a boy whom masters their religion and moves on. The boy gets older and turns into a man and the trail from youth to manhood leads right up to the age of 30 when he baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan river near Bethany.
When studying Jesus teachings closely, they very much resemble the much older middle eastern religious thought and teachings.[/quote]
Thank-you, I will read it. I have also heard of this(Your last line above in bold/Red)
In short, all the religions in the far east have a legend of a boy whom masters their religion and moves on. The boy gets older and turns into a man and the trail from youth to manhood leads right up to the age of 30 when he baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan river near Bethany.
When studying Jesus teachings closely, they very much resemble the much older middle eastern religious thought and teachings.[/quote]
Thank-you, I will read it. I have also heard of this(Your last line above in bold/Red)
I have posted once before about Carl Jung's views and experiences with observing death-afterlife-reincarnation. I can't find the post (excerpt from a book of mine-Jung on Synchronicity and the Paranormal) in some other thread, but I did manage to find the same excerpt out on the web. Here...
"psychologist Carl Jung’s views of the afterlife and the fact that the psyche appears to prepare the dying person for an entry into a new life. Towards the end of his life, Carl Jung had a number of visions of the afterlife that also suggest that part of the life review is concerned with an examination of a person’ past lives. At the beginning of 1944, he was taken into the hospital and experienced “deliriums and visions” as he hovered close to death. He explains encountering a “tremendous dark stone block, like a meteorite. It was about the size of my house, or even bigger. It was floating in space, and I myself was floating in space.”
The immense rock had been carved into a temple, with a black Hindu sitting guard at the entrance. As Jung steps inside this temple, he feels that everything about his earthly life is falling away from him. He has a feeling that, now, he will understand the mystery of his life. But something interrupts him:
“From below, from the direction of Europe, an image floated up. It was my doctor, Dr. H--or rather, his likeness--framed by a golden chain or a golden laurel wreath. I knew at once: ‘Aha, this is my doctor, of course, the one who has been treating me. But now he is coming in his primal form, as a basileus of Kos. In life he was an avatar of this basileus, the temporal embodiment of the primal form, which has existed from the beginning. Now he is appearing in that primal form.’
“Presumably, I too was in my primal form, though this was something I did not observe but simply took for granted. As he stood before me, a mute exchange of thought took place between us. Dr. H. had been delegated by the earth to deliver a message to me, to tell me that there was a protest against my going away. I had no right to leave earth and must return. The moment I heard that, the vision ceased.”
When Jung eventually returned to waking consciousness he was very concerned for the welfare of the Dr. H. He pleaded with his nurses to warn him. “His life is in danger, for heaven’s sake! He has appeared to me in his primal form! When anybody attains this form it means he is going to die, for already he belongs to the ‘greater company’!”
Carl Jung was Dr. H’s last patient. On April 4, 1944, Jung was allowed to sit up on the edge of his bed for the first time since the beginning of his illness. On the same day, Dr. H took to his bed and eventually died of septicemia."
Source;
"psychologist Carl Jung’s views of the afterlife and the fact that the psyche appears to prepare the dying person for an entry into a new life. Towards the end of his life, Carl Jung had a number of visions of the afterlife that also suggest that part of the life review is concerned with an examination of a person’ past lives. At the beginning of 1944, he was taken into the hospital and experienced “deliriums and visions” as he hovered close to death. He explains encountering a “tremendous dark stone block, like a meteorite. It was about the size of my house, or even bigger. It was floating in space, and I myself was floating in space.”
The immense rock had been carved into a temple, with a black Hindu sitting guard at the entrance. As Jung steps inside this temple, he feels that everything about his earthly life is falling away from him. He has a feeling that, now, he will understand the mystery of his life. But something interrupts him:
“From below, from the direction of Europe, an image floated up. It was my doctor, Dr. H--or rather, his likeness--framed by a golden chain or a golden laurel wreath. I knew at once: ‘Aha, this is my doctor, of course, the one who has been treating me. But now he is coming in his primal form, as a basileus of Kos. In life he was an avatar of this basileus, the temporal embodiment of the primal form, which has existed from the beginning. Now he is appearing in that primal form.’
“Presumably, I too was in my primal form, though this was something I did not observe but simply took for granted. As he stood before me, a mute exchange of thought took place between us. Dr. H. had been delegated by the earth to deliver a message to me, to tell me that there was a protest against my going away. I had no right to leave earth and must return. The moment I heard that, the vision ceased.”
When Jung eventually returned to waking consciousness he was very concerned for the welfare of the Dr. H. He pleaded with his nurses to warn him. “His life is in danger, for heaven’s sake! He has appeared to me in his primal form! When anybody attains this form it means he is going to die, for already he belongs to the ‘greater company’!”
Carl Jung was Dr. H’s last patient. On April 4, 1944, Jung was allowed to sit up on the edge of his bed for the first time since the beginning of his illness. On the same day, Dr. H took to his bed and eventually died of septicemia."
Source;
mcneillm: This will probably sound silly, but I've often felt that I've been re-incarnated, as myself, i.e. given a 2nd trip around, to see if I'd make the same errors in my life.
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
It is not uncommon to feel you are making the same mistakes again. We do that frequently. The trick it to observe and fight the inclinations to make the same old mistakes. It is called programming. Deprogram and REprogram. It can be done and people do it all the time. Like the people that marry many times and finally change and the last marriage works.
jvaski: I just want to come back as a dog - so I can get away with impulsive rear-sniffing .........
Yeah, I know that is a joke but I will interject...that is not reincarnation. It is transmogrification...being able to go backwards in incarnating. Reincarnation is the belief in growing in consciousness through multiple lives, experiences and education. Really dumb people are just very young souls. Really shallow people are just really young souls. Barely out of animal of vegetable existences. (there are other states but too lengthy to discuss)
Mass murderers are usually very young souls. They are building karma to use later in life to work through their old unresolved discordant energies. In my education, what we do is CHOOSE to incarnate. Not all souls must incarnate. Everyone here has chosen to get his/her Master's degree and PhD. You have picked a deeper level of education that you cannot get JUST by hanging out in the spiritual realms.
jono7: hope this thread picks up again. i would like to more about allergies and reactive energies. if you happen to check the thread, please add a little more. thank you
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
HavinFuninTx: It is not uncommon to feel you are making the same mistakes again. We do that frequently. The trick it to observe and fight the inclinations to make the same old mistakes. It is called programming. Deprogram and REprogram. It can be done and people do it all the time. Like the people that marry many times and finally change and the last marriage works.
Yeah, I know that is a joke but I will interject...that is not reincarnation. It is transmogrification...being able to go backwards in incarnating. Reincarnation is the belief in growing in consciousness through multiple lives, experiences and education. Really dumb people are just very young souls. Really shallow people are just really young souls. Barely out of animal of vegetable existences. (there are other states but too lengthy to discuss)
Mass murderers are usually very young souls. They are building karma to use later in life to work through their old unresolved discordant energies. In my education, what we do is CHOOSE to incarnate. Not all souls must incarnate. Everyone here has chosen to get his/her Master's degree and PhD. You have picked a deeper level of education that you cannot get JUST by hanging out in the spiritual realms.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
Yeah, I know that is a joke but I will interject...that is not reincarnation. It is transmogrification...being able to go backwards in incarnating. Reincarnation is the belief in growing in consciousness through multiple lives, experiences and education. Really dumb people are just very young souls. Really shallow people are just really young souls. Barely out of animal of vegetable existences. (there are other states but too lengthy to discuss)
Mass murderers are usually very young souls. They are building karma to use later in life to work through their old unresolved discordant energies. In my education, what we do is CHOOSE to incarnate. Not all souls must incarnate. Everyone here has chosen to get his/her Master's degree and PhD. You have picked a deeper level of education that you cannot get JUST by hanging out in the spiritual realms.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
HavinFuninTx: It is not uncommon to feel you are making the same mistakes again. We do that frequently. The trick it to observe and fight the inclinations to make the same old mistakes. It is called programming. Deprogram and REprogram. It can be done and people do it all the time. Like the people that marry many times and finally change and the last marriage works.
Yeah, I know that is a joke but I will interject...that is not reincarnation. It is transmogrification...being able to go backwards in incarnating. Reincarnation is the belief in growing in consciousness through multiple lives, experiences and education. Really dumb people are just very young souls. Really shallow people are just really young souls. Barely out of animal of vegetable existences. (there are other states but too lengthy to discuss)
Mass murderers are usually very young souls. They are building karma to use later in life to work through their old unresolved discordant energies. In my education, what we do is CHOOSE to incarnate. Not all souls must incarnate. Everyone here has chosen to get his/her Master's degree and PhD. You have picked a deeper level of education that you cannot get JUST by hanging out in the spiritual realms.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
Yeah, I know that is a joke but I will interject...that is not reincarnation. It is transmogrification...being able to go backwards in incarnating. Reincarnation is the belief in growing in consciousness through multiple lives, experiences and education. Really dumb people are just very young souls. Really shallow people are just really young souls. Barely out of animal of vegetable existences. (there are other states but too lengthy to discuss)
Mass murderers are usually very young souls. They are building karma to use later in life to work through their old unresolved discordant energies. In my education, what we do is CHOOSE to incarnate. Not all souls must incarnate. Everyone here has chosen to get his/her Master's degree and PhD. You have picked a deeper level of education that you cannot get JUST by hanging out in the spiritual realms.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
Oh dear
I simply couldn’t be bothered to argue with this one
spiritual realms.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
hi. thanks for adding some more information. can you suggest books/resources on this subject. i have so many allergies, mostly foods ie shellfish, and chemicals, ie. perfume. would like to learn more and willing to do the work to get rid of them. thanks again.
If for instance you have a dog or cat allergy, you were either killed or perceived that you were harmed by a dog or cat like being or animal. You hold discordant energies on the form. Once the discordant energies have been cleared, the allergies vanish.
hi. thanks for adding some more information. can you suggest books/resources on this subject. i have so many allergies, mostly foods ie shellfish, and chemicals, ie. perfume. would like to learn more and willing to do the work to get rid of them. thanks again.
kekei: "Either he [Dr. Stevenson] is making a colossal mistake. Or he will be known as the Galileo of the 20th century." Dr Harold Lief in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
This is great information. Thank you. I have another book for some of you who are interested in this subject. It is by Brian L. Weiss MD and entitled Many Lives, Many Masters. In it he outlines a single case study of a woman who came to him for standard psychotherapy but did not progress. When, as a last resort, he regressed her, she unexpectedly began telling of past lives, many details of which were verifiable with public and historical records. Neither the practitioner or the client had the concept of past lives in their religious belief system at the time this occured so it stretched both of them. . . and helped the woman to heal her huge phobias.
I think it is important to be open to the possibility that our present religious/spiritual belief systems may hold only the barest beginning ideas of the wonder and positive ways of healing that are possible for us as humans.
hara11: This is great information. Thank you. I have another book for some of you who are interested in this subject. It is by Brian L. Weiss MD and entitled Many Lives, Many Masters. In it he outlines a single case study of a woman who came to him for standard psychotherapy but did not progress. When, as a last resort, he regressed her, she unexpectedly began telling of past lives, many details of which were verifiable with public and historical records. Neither the practitioner or the client had the concept of past lives in their religious belief system at the time this occured so it stretched both of them. . . and helped the woman to heal her huge phobias.
I think it is important to be open to the possibility that our present religious/spiritual belief systems may hold only the barest beginning ideas of the wonder and positive ways of healing that are possible for us as humans.
I think it is important to be open to the possibility that our present religious/spiritual belief systems may hold only the barest beginning ideas of the wonder and positive ways of healing that are possible for us as humans.
VERY well said!!! Also, check out the book Journey of Souls!
Yes I believe in Re-incarntion I came back as a tin of evaporated milk once
I believe in past lives and subsequent lives
defiantly
defiantly
yes , because I've had an out of body experience once!
No, definitely not. Reincarnation involves many Anti-Christian precepts.
StephanieH: No, definitely not. Reincarnation involves many Anti-Christian precepts.
Hold on, was not Jesus reincarnated, ok only for a brief period but it was a form of reincarnation surely.
rizlared: Hold on, was not Jesus reincarnated, ok only for a brief period but it was a form of reincarnation surely.
I will disagree. (Jesus) was resurrected, not reincarnated.
It's absolutely not the same concepts.
StephanieH: I will disagree. (Jesus) was resurrected, not reincarnated.
It's absolutely not the same concepts.
It's absolutely not the same concepts.
Very much agreed!
StephanieH: I will disagree. (Jesus) was resurrected, not reincarnated.
It's absolutely not the same concepts.
It's absolutely not the same concepts.
Think about it,reincarnation basically means dying and then returning as a different life form, Jesus was a mortal man until he was crucified, he died and then returned as a new entity, IE a part or whole of the Holy three, GOD, SON and Ghost.
Therefore Christianity must accept that reincarnation is possible.
rizlared: Think about it,reincarnation basically means dying and then returning as a different life form, Jesus was a mortal man until he was crucified, he died and then returned as a new entity, IE a part or whole of the Holy three, GOD, SON and Ghost.
Therefore Christianity must accept that reincarnation is possible.
Therefore Christianity must accept that reincarnation is possible.
No, you are mistaken.
Reincarnation implies death and return to FLESH into a different body. Please tell me where this happens with Jesus.
Resurrection implies Death only once. Jesus body was Ressurected and not in flesh either.
Please don't mix both concepts. It's absurd the least to say.
StephanieH: No, you are mistaken.
Reincarnation implies death and return to FLESH into a different body. Please tell me where this happens with Jesus.
Resurrection implies Death only once. Jesus body was Ressurected and not in flesh either.
Please don't mix both concepts. It's absurd the least to say.
Reincarnation implies death and return to FLESH into a different body. Please tell me where this happens with Jesus.
Resurrection implies Death only once. Jesus body was Ressurected and not in flesh either.
Please don't mix both concepts. It's absurd the least to say.
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