Reincarnation: are you a believer? (95)
webbsLexington, Michigan USA3 Threads 283 PostsI don't believe in reincarnation. One lifetime is more than enough for me. I have no desire to come back and go through it all again.
I hope you wrote first a definition of Reincarnation then asked the question. It seems that many people believe it's one thing but when they talk about it they approach it from different angles. So, if you define as "....reborn after life" then I can agree, yet if you mean "....reborn in new body in this life" then I do not agree. The way I see it is, we are the origin and the copies come after life and we are not the copies of some past origin lives. And that's my opinion.
eaglo: I hope you wrote first a definition of Reincarnation then asked the question. It seems that many people believe it's one thing but when they talk about it they approach it from different angles. So, if you define as "....reborn after life" then I can agree, yet if you mean "....reborn in new body in this life" then I do not agree. The way I see it is, we are the origin and the copies come after life and we are not the copies of some past origin lives. And that's my opinion.
I think your writing about two entirely different concepts. reincarnation is about having many lives in separate time periods in their own corresponding bodies.
The other concept I think you are referring to, is the Christian concept of "being born again!" Within that concept a person accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and begins a new life attempting to avoid all sin. Those who believe in this concept are called "Born again Christians." This has nothing to do with reincarnation, of which if looked at properly, is also in the bible, of which passages are often interpreted as being "born again" rather than reincarnation.
I hope this clears that up a bit and I did not confuse you more.
caspatch: if you were a pretty flower in a field and a cow ate you and that next day there was a cow pie that would be would it not just in another form, thus reincarnated
Especially if the flower was a carnation.
bodleing: Especially if the flower was a carnation.
Well i want to come back as a bar cloth, the one bartender's used to wipe up beer spills, hell i'll be drinking for free.
kratos: Well i want to come back as a bar cloth, the one bartender's used to wipe up beer spills, hell i'll be drinking for free.
You have no ambition
memory29: and you would not like to be inside of miss kitty, tsk tsk tsk
well at least i won't be feeling any pain, welcome to er nut house
This will probably sound silly, but I've often felt that I've been re-incarnated, as myself, i.e. given a 2nd trip around, to see if I'd make the same errors in my life.
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
kekei: Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
I am curious to know what were Dr Stevenson's conclusions?
Also, as the findings were reported in a peer review journal, what were the comments from the scientific fraternity?
One thing that comes to my mind is that I wonder how Dr Stevenson explains away the possibility that these children were somehow perhaps simply in touch with a deceased person's spirit, and not a reincarnation of that person? As I said, just curious.
In answer to your question, I do believe reicarnation is likely, but not reading your report on the good doctor's findings. Very interesting though, and boy, that's a lot of great work on his part.
Thank you for posting it.
mcneillm: This will probably sound silly, but I've often felt that I've been re-incarnated, as myself, i.e. given a 2nd trip around, to see if I'd make the same errors in my life.
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
If it IS true, I'm convinced I HAVE made the same mistakes again...
Fascinating!! This is a first for me..reading about someone coming back again the second time in the same life!! Cool!!
I would say: for somebody it seems possible (as there is so much evidence), but that does not in any way mean that it is some kind of law for everybody. And even if you remember your past life, it doesn't mean that you will be reincarnated again. Maybe you will be recycled, but maybe you will go to waste, who knows, only time will tell.
I've read some books on that and yes, they convinced me that "all possible "normal" explanations are most likely to be ruled out".
So what? There are other possible ("not yet normal" and "paranormal") explanations to all this evidence.
I've read some books on that and yes, they convinced me that "all possible "normal" explanations are most likely to be ruled out".
So what? There are other possible ("not yet normal" and "paranormal") explanations to all this evidence.
kekei: "Either he [Dr. Stevenson] is making a colossal mistake. Or he will be known as the Galileo of the 20th century." Dr Harold Lief in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
I'm too tired to read all of that, but yes I do believe in reincarnation---in an earthly existence, in another existence, in a higher or lower form of yourself in a physical or ethereal existence.
We are energy---we are not solid---we are sub-atomic atoms/particles vibrating to a certain frequency. Energy never dies---it can only transfer. Where it transfers to when your physical body is complicated to explain in a tidy post. If you can remember your dreams in other realms, do consider those realms just as real as this counterfeit world.
StressFree: I'm too tired to read all of that, but yes I do believe in reincarnation---in an earthly existence, in another existence, in a higher or lower form of yourself in a physical or ethereal existence.
We are energy---we are not solid---we are sub-atomic atoms/particles vibrating to a certain frequency. Energy never dies---it can only transfer. Where it transfers to when your physical body is complicated to explain in a tidy post. If you can remember your dreams in other realms, do consider those realms just as real as this counterfeit world.
We are energy---we are not solid---we are sub-atomic atoms/particles vibrating to a certain frequency. Energy never dies---it can only transfer. Where it transfers to when your physical body is complicated to explain in a tidy post. If you can remember your dreams in other realms, do consider those realms just as real as this counterfeit world.
interesting comment
rubendario:
I have also meet someone for the first time in my life and had a strange hostility toward them. Upon very deep reflection..I realized that it had nothing to do with who they were..but some conflict at the soul level that must have been their previously..there is no other explanation!!!
I have also meet someone for the first time in my life and had a strange hostility toward them. Upon very deep reflection..I realized that it had nothing to do with who they were..but some conflict at the soul level that must have been their previously..there is no other explanation!!!
I've met women like that......... only problem the strange hostility towards them only materialised after and not before marrying them!
RobertC2: I've met women like that......... only problem the strange hostility towards them only materialised after and not before marrying them!
kekei - I refuse to marry another woman until after at least a ten year trial marriage! 
Yes......I BELIEVE.
Stevenson argued that the 3,000 or so cases he studied supported the possibility of reincarnation, though he was always careful to refer to them as "cases suggestive of reincarnation," or "cases of the reincarnation type". He also recognized a limitation, or what Paul Edwards calls the "modus operandi problem", namely the absence of evidence of a physical process by which a personality could survive death and travel to another body.
you can be very funny.
RobertC2: I've met women like that......... only problem the strange hostility towards them only materialised after and not before marrying them!
kekei: "Either he [Dr. Stevenson] is making a colossal mistake. Or he will be known as the Galileo of the 20th century." Dr Harold Lief in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories. One mans' theory is not another mans' fact. 'Nuff Said !!!
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
About Dr. Ian Stevenson
Omni Magazine's Interview with Dr. Ian Stevenson
Sweet Swarnlata: An Example Case of Dr. Ian Stevenson's
Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories. One mans' theory is not another mans' fact. 'Nuff Said !!!
Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.
Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.
Can anyone explain this , ok i had a miscarriage that they say my body absorbed it, during my D&C surgery while they were taking a tube out of my throat i kept trying to talk, when they got it out i asked them where that bald headed man went, they laughed at me, when you are put under ,you are not suppose to know anything or dream, so what did i experience, til this day i still wonder who the bald headed man is.
Is this thread dead already, dang i wanted to know more about reincarnation..
HavinFuninTx: I have memories of other lives plus I do healing on people due to interfering past life memories. Allergies are reactive energies due to past life memories.
hope this thread picks up again. i would like to more about allergies and reactive energies. if you happen to check the thread, please add a little more. thank you
sorry. typo. meant to say, learn more.
For some years i studied Tibetan Buddhism, later was appointed director of a temple named Gyalawa Ensapa in NSW Aust.
Reincarnation is the bases of the Dalai Lamas teachings. Understanding why that is, is a bit complicated, however if you very carefully contemplate the true nature of self. You just might deduce self is unfindable. The human form that i call "I" is in a constant flux of change, no part of your human form is solid, every aspect of it is constantly changing and the perception of an "I" is actually a delusion.
Ok you might i say that I am typing this text...meantime during the time its taken to type thus far, most of the cells in body have been replaced, the skin is constantly falling off, hair grows, food is being digested, nails are growing in a constant state of change.
So once we are able to be certain the "I" cannot be found, what then is the true nature of our experience. Tibetans probably say "moving energy" moving energy carrying the the seeds of our tomorrows. That sort of understanding is arrived at having considered the certainty of the laws of cause and affect. That our actions of body speech and mind give certain cause for our future experience.
Without cause nothingless, enlightenment, going beyond the cyclical of rebirth in suffering.
Ok i accept that sort of explanation is really loose, there much to consider to arrive at an understanding what reincarnates. I believe the subtle winds that migrate from moment to moment carrying the seeds of our future experience is whats reincarnating.
Reincarnation is the bases of the Dalai Lamas teachings. Understanding why that is, is a bit complicated, however if you very carefully contemplate the true nature of self. You just might deduce self is unfindable. The human form that i call "I" is in a constant flux of change, no part of your human form is solid, every aspect of it is constantly changing and the perception of an "I" is actually a delusion.
Ok you might i say that I am typing this text...meantime during the time its taken to type thus far, most of the cells in body have been replaced, the skin is constantly falling off, hair grows, food is being digested, nails are growing in a constant state of change.
So once we are able to be certain the "I" cannot be found, what then is the true nature of our experience. Tibetans probably say "moving energy" moving energy carrying the the seeds of our tomorrows. That sort of understanding is arrived at having considered the certainty of the laws of cause and affect. That our actions of body speech and mind give certain cause for our future experience.
Without cause nothingless, enlightenment, going beyond the cyclical of rebirth in suffering.
Ok i accept that sort of explanation is really loose, there much to consider to arrive at an understanding what reincarnates. I believe the subtle winds that migrate from moment to moment carrying the seeds of our future experience is whats reincarnating.
I was a believer in a past life, but not this one!?
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