America is the worlds policeman today, why do so many of us criticise their help? (189)
kiwi69: , the only reason USA joined ww2 was because germany declared war on YOU, pathetic, Britain and her colonies were dying as you made money
Look up history,
Look up history,
German declared war on the USA? Have you changed History? lol.
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, which bought the USA into the War.
kiwi69: Americans are good at fighting but as a KIWI, I trust Canadians, not hard, not forthwright--- just genuine; hard but trure
You obviously don't know much about Americans. Most Americans are hard working, honest, considerate people.
actually they do Blain but we were in it way before the US. actually due to a mix up in communication NZ was the first country in world to declare war on Germany to mark official start of world war two. could of being embarrassing had someone foudn a solution.
Casualties were highest in world per capita as it was in world war one, but we did much better in Vietnam (yes we were there, came straight from fighting in Malaysia first communists then Indonesians all in the jungle alongside the aussies & brits)
Conrad had a good point before. what iF China goes broke?
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
Casualties were highest in world per capita as it was in world war one, but we did much better in Vietnam (yes we were there, came straight from fighting in Malaysia first communists then Indonesians all in the jungle alongside the aussies & brits)
Conrad had a good point before. what iF China goes broke?
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
I would like to have your comments on my previous post.
Is my analyze correct?
Is my analyze correct?
Dusty67:
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
China has a lot of issues to deal with before it either becomes an economic or military superpower. They are in the process of destroying their own environment. Beijing will be a desert in fifty years due to their disasterous land policies that have been in place since the 1970s. Their available arable land is declining. They non-transparant economic system will collapse sooner or later (I expect something in the order of 15-20 years).
They do not have the ability to project power far from their shores at this point. No one has the ability to do that like the US does. That is why when there were disasters in places as far away as Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and Burma, the US Navy was the first to have significant assets in the area to provide aid (sadly, it was rejected by the last country in the list.) The US has a long history of offering and providing humanitarian aid to countries considered enemies.
Also, comparing Iraq and Taiwan is not accurate. The invasion of Iraq was perfectly legal in accordance with UN Security Council Resolutions. Taiwan, which was given up by treaty in 1895 by Qing China, is NOT part of China and there is no Security Council resolution or provision in international law that would defend a Chinese invasion of the island I call home.
Dusty67:
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
You Sir, speak commonsense...I have often worried about China using her immense strength.
gabrielle95: I would like to have your comments on my previous post.
Is my analyze correct?
Is my analyze correct?
I didn't comment because I think you are spot on, especially on the role of US media in shaping the perceptions of what is going on on the ground in Haiti. I haven't seen anything about Taiwan's teams there in the English language media. Then again, I haven't seen it in the French either. I have only seen it in Chinese language media.
Kia Ora Mate,
hey before you argue with people make sure of your facts. yes we have a 200 mile economic limit but the US doesn't recognise it & we don't have a constitution. we can't as yet because it wouldn't recognize the Treaty of waitangi. so it is wee way off before we have one.
You are right in fact US does at times go around trying as world policeman to impose their will & it upsets people.
but as others have pointed out what about China & if they collapse who ever takes over from them.
could be same issues different sheriffs. then they will become just as hated no matter if they are trying to do good.
hey before you argue with people make sure of your facts. yes we have a 200 mile economic limit but the US doesn't recognise it & we don't have a constitution. we can't as yet because it wouldn't recognize the Treaty of waitangi. so it is wee way off before we have one.
You are right in fact US does at times go around trying as world policeman to impose their will & it upsets people.
but as others have pointed out what about China & if they collapse who ever takes over from them.
could be same issues different sheriffs. then they will become just as hated no matter if they are trying to do good.
Dusty67: Kia Ora Mate,
hey before you argue with people make sure of your facts. yes we have a 200 mile economic limit but the US doesn't recognise it & we don't have a constitution. we can't as yet because it wouldn't recognize the Treaty of waitangi. so it is wee way off before we have one.
You are right in fact US does at times go around trying as world policeman to impose their will & it upsets people.
but as others have pointed out what about China & if they collapse who ever takes over from them.
could be same issues different sheriffs. then they will become just as hated no matter if they are trying to do good.
hey before you argue with people make sure of your facts. yes we have a 200 mile economic limit but the US doesn't recognise it & we don't have a constitution. we can't as yet because it wouldn't recognize the Treaty of waitangi. so it is wee way off before we have one.
You are right in fact US does at times go around trying as world policeman to impose their will & it upsets people.
but as others have pointed out what about China & if they collapse who ever takes over from them.
could be same issues different sheriffs. then they will become just as hated no matter if they are trying to do good.
I don't know what 200 mile limit you are talking about unless it is the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone that is provided for in the UNLOS (UN Law of the Sea) from 1982. Territorial waters extend out twelve miles, not 200.
Yes the economic zone & it is not recognized by the US.
as to your comment about roman empire & US. in fact those who are chatting to me from US call it the US empire & everything that is happening right now is an exact re inaction of what they did to their currency.
Iraq was not a legal invasion. UN resolution did not cover the way invasion was caried out.
China has a lot more control than you think & will as I said use that precedence set by the US to invade if they wish. You are likely right about the ceceding in the 1800's, but China still claims your islands. As Chairman Mao said 'politics through the barrel of the gun" or words to that effect. might has right but it doesn't mean it is right.
or as we say in military. Peace through superior firepower.
Gabrielle you are pretty much on the button. they have the best of intentions but have trouble learning from their mistakes. Colin Powell tried to rectify that after invasion of Iraq, but was sidelined by people who did not know their history. He saw Iraq was were they could learn from the mistakes of Vietnam.
NZ is no better in some respects. though we are trying in regards to our Treaty of Waitangi & race relations.
as to your comment about roman empire & US. in fact those who are chatting to me from US call it the US empire & everything that is happening right now is an exact re inaction of what they did to their currency.
Iraq was not a legal invasion. UN resolution did not cover the way invasion was caried out.
China has a lot more control than you think & will as I said use that precedence set by the US to invade if they wish. You are likely right about the ceceding in the 1800's, but China still claims your islands. As Chairman Mao said 'politics through the barrel of the gun" or words to that effect. might has right but it doesn't mean it is right.
or as we say in military. Peace through superior firepower.
Gabrielle you are pretty much on the button. they have the best of intentions but have trouble learning from their mistakes. Colin Powell tried to rectify that after invasion of Iraq, but was sidelined by people who did not know their history. He saw Iraq was were they could learn from the mistakes of Vietnam.
NZ is no better in some respects. though we are trying in regards to our Treaty of Waitangi & race relations.
Dusty67: Yes the economic zone & it is not recognized by the US.
That is because the US is not a signatory to the Convention. However, it does observe the 200mile EEZ in practice.
In response to: as to your comment about roman empire & US. in fact those who are chatting to me from US call it the US empire & everything that is happening right now is an exact re inaction of what they did to their currency.
The quotes of Americans on chat boards does not make it accurate. As a student and teacher of history, I can assure that anyone who makes parallels between the US and the Roman Empire do so without any basis in fact whatsoever.
In response to: Iraq was not a legal invasion. UN resolution did not cover the way invasion was caried out.
Read up on Security Council Resolution 667 and 678.
In response to: China has a lot more control than you think & will as I said use that precedence set by the US to invade if they wish. You are likely right about the ceceding in the 1800's, but China still claims your islands. As Chairman Mao said 'politics through the barrel of the gun" or words to that effect. might has right but it doesn't mean it is right.
China only has as much control as we allow it, which unfortunately is more than it should because people only consider their pocketbooks when they shop at Wal-Mart or any other discounter pawning off Chinese junk. Fact is, the Western consumer has considerable power of China if s/he chooses to exercise it.
In response to: or as we say in military. Peace through superior firepower.
It only works when the one with the superior firepower has it to serve as a deterrant. I don't believe this to be true in the case of China. As it is, they are still decades from being a legitimate threat to long-term U.S. interests in the region. I just wish the Right Honorable PM Rudd in Australia actually would get his head out of the posterior of Dictator Hu in Beijing.
In response to: NZ is no better in some respects. though we are trying in regards to our Treaty of Waitangi & race relations.
No country is perfect. We all have our bad elements in the past. However, unlike China and other dictatorships, most democratic countries (including the US, NZ, AUS, and Taiwan) are trying to deal with those elements from the past that are not so savory.
Taichungrunner: I didn't comment because I think you are spot on, especially on the role of US media in shaping the perceptions of what is going on on the ground in Haiti. I haven't seen anything about Taiwan's teams there in the English language media. Then again, I haven't seen it in the French either. I have only seen it in Chinese language media.
It seems that small countries will always be forgotten by big countries media.
imsophie1: America has a relatively short history, if you consider the extensive histories of other countries. To me, America is like a new bully on the block. We're the new kid on the block, but we're going to bully everyone else into playing by our rules. And we're not going to allow anyone else to become a bigger bully than we are. And we're going to stick our nose in everyone's business to make sure no one is getting any ideas about trying to take over our neighborhood.
Sad way to feel about my own country, but that's the way it is.
Sad way to feel about my own country, but that's the way it is.
Interesting reading to be fair these 7 pages.....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
gozoman2: Interesting reading to be fair these 7 pages.....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
I agree. There are times where I am critical of the policies of the US and many other countries. It doens't mean I hate them. In fact, I don't hate any people or country -- though there are some governments I do honestly hate.
In response to: ...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
And of course it is the largest and thus the most able to be the anchor for all of Western Civilziation.
In response to: ...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
Sadly, to some extent this is true -- though it was much more so during the Cold War than it is today.
In response to: ..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
"all over South America"? I would have to dispute this. Viet Nam was a mess, but it wasn't only America who made it a mess. There was another side who also had its supporters who were just as guilty of making a mess of the Second Indochina War.
In response to: ...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
Right, the U.S. controls the natural resources of Iraq so much that the sovereign Iraqi government just signed oil exploration and exploitation deals with the PRC and the Russian Federation.
In response to: ...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
Though this is better indicated by the soft gloves treatment China, one of the world's worst human rights regimes, than any comparison to Iraq.
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
In response to: ...they come....they see...they conquer....
And then, unlike the Romans and the Chinese, they leave...
Taichungrunner: I agree. There are times where I am critical of the policies of the US and many other countries. It doens't mean I hate them. In fact, I don't hate any people or country -- though there are some governments I do honestly hate.
And of course it is the largest and thus the most able to be the anchor for all of Western Civilziation.
Sadly, to some extent this is true -- though it was much more so during the Cold War than it is today.
"all over South America"? I would have to dispute this. Viet Nam was a mess, but it wasn't only America who made it a mess. There was another side who also had its supporters who were just as guilty of making a mess of the Second Indochina War.
Right, the U.S. controls the natural resources of Iraq so much that the sovereign Iraqi government just signed oil exploration and exploitation deals with the PRC and the Russian Federation.
Though this is better indicated by the soft gloves treatment China, one of the world's worst human rights regimes, than any comparison to Iraq.
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
And then, unlike the Romans and the Chinese, they leave...
Yep!And of course it is the largest and thus the most able to be the anchor for all of Western Civilziation.
Sadly, to some extent this is true -- though it was much more so during the Cold War than it is today.
"all over South America"? I would have to dispute this. Viet Nam was a mess, but it wasn't only America who made it a mess. There was another side who also had its supporters who were just as guilty of making a mess of the Second Indochina War.
Right, the U.S. controls the natural resources of Iraq so much that the sovereign Iraqi government just signed oil exploration and exploitation deals with the PRC and the Russian Federation.
Though this is better indicated by the soft gloves treatment China, one of the world's worst human rights regimes, than any comparison to Iraq.
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
And then, unlike the Romans and the Chinese, they leave...
gozoman2: Interesting reading to be fair these 7 pages.....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
I'm a Vietnam Veteran, and ya'll wouldn't want to know precisely how I feel about the U.S. how it gets into every countries business under fraudulant pretense for humanity just to control. (I don't care what anyone thinks or says to my comment) ...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
Sie sind glücklich, Sie sprechen nicht Deutsch!
All the problems highlighted in this thread don't outweigh the considerable help the US has given the world. If some counties have been abused as a result of their military intervention its a small price to pay for our ongoing freedom.
After all, would you sacrifice your rights,freedoms and wealth for some country you can't even spell, let alone have any idea where it is.
We need superpowers in the world today. We also can't be expected to agree with all their policies and motives.As long as we are OK, who really cares?
All the problems highlighted in this thread don't outweigh the considerable help the US has given the world. If some counties have been abused as a result of their military intervention its a small price to pay for our ongoing freedom.
After all, would you sacrifice your rights,freedoms and wealth for some country you can't even spell, let alone have any idea where it is.
We need superpowers in the world today. We also can't be expected to agree with all their policies and motives.As long as we are OK, who really cares?
Julius_Caeser: Sie sind glücklich, Sie sprechen nicht Deutsch!
All the problems highlighted in this thread don't outweigh the considerable help the US has given the world. If some counties have been abused as a result of their military intervention its a small price to pay for our ongoing freedom.
After all, would you sacrifice your rights,freedoms and wealth for some country you can't even spell, let alone have any idea where it is.
We need superpowers in the world today. We also can't be expected to agree with all their policies and motives.As long as we are OK, who really cares?
All the problems highlighted in this thread don't outweigh the considerable help the US has given the world. If some counties have been abused as a result of their military intervention its a small price to pay for our ongoing freedom.
After all, would you sacrifice your rights,freedoms and wealth for some country you can't even spell, let alone have any idea where it is.
We need superpowers in the world today. We also can't be expected to agree with all their policies and motives.As long as we are OK, who really cares?
Help?
Never for free, part of a huge apparatus of economic and political control. Is it not obvious?
Small price?
Let´s take an example: Spansish Speaking countries in America? (in the continent of course....the only America I know personally) Small price? FREEDOM!!!!!?? You need to go to the local library and get documented on this particular example. A few books will help.
Sacrifice?
Regualr soldiers are there on duty, never as volunteers. I wish you could go there to sacrifice yourself as a volunteer and then I will believe your statement.
Needing superpowers??
I don´t think so, anyway....now we have a new bunch coming... do you need China as a superpower by the way? We´ll see how we adjust all this fantasy to the new conditions in the world soon.
Macht´s gut, mein liebe Klugsch.................
Baby_Monkey: From what I've seen most policemen have superiority issues. They are suppose to make us feel safe, but lately all you see is police officers attacking people and making BIG mistakes for no reason.
Have you been watching the news?
Should I add more?
Oh? Any idea of the kind of crap the average cop has to take? Or, how many are murdered every day?Have you been watching the news?
Should I add more?
Antjo39: Help?
Never for free, part of a huge apparatus of economic and political control. Is it not obvious?
Small price?
Let´s take an example: Spansish Speaking countries in America? (in the continent of course....the only America I know personally) Small price? FREEDOM!!!!!?? You need to go to the local library and get documented on this particular example. A few books will help.
Sacrifice?
Regualr soldiers are there on duty, never as volunteers. I wish you could go there to sacrifice yourself as a volunteer and then I will believe your statement.
Needing superpowers??
I don´t think so, anyway....now we have a new bunch coming... do you need China as a superpower by the way? We´ll see how we adjust all this fantasy to the new conditions in the world soon.
Macht´s gut, mein liebe Klugsch.................
Never for free, part of a huge apparatus of economic and political control. Is it not obvious?
Small price?
Let´s take an example: Spansish Speaking countries in America? (in the continent of course....the only America I know personally) Small price? FREEDOM!!!!!?? You need to go to the local library and get documented on this particular example. A few books will help.
Sacrifice?
Regualr soldiers are there on duty, never as volunteers. I wish you could go there to sacrifice yourself as a volunteer and then I will believe your statement.
Needing superpowers??
I don´t think so, anyway....now we have a new bunch coming... do you need China as a superpower by the way? We´ll see how we adjust all this fantasy to the new conditions in the world soon.
Macht´s gut, mein liebe Klugsch.................
Yes, you've done such a fine job with Chavez, Che and Castro....
Taichungrunner: I agree. There are times where I am critical of the policies of the US and many other countries. It doens't mean I hate them. In fact, I don't hate any people or country -- though there are some governments I do honestly hate.
And of course it is the largest and thus the most able to be the anchor for all of Western Civilziation.
Sadly, to some extent this is true -- though it was much more so during the Cold War than it is today.
"all over South America"? I would have to dispute this. Viet Nam was a mess, but it wasn't only America who made it a mess. There was another side who also had its supporters who were just as guilty of making a mess of the Second Indochina War.
Right, the U.S. controls the natural resources of Iraq so much that the sovereign Iraqi government just signed oil exploration and exploitation deals with the PRC and the Russian Federation.
Though this is better indicated by the soft gloves treatment China, one of the world's worst human rights regimes, than any comparison to Iraq.
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
And then, unlike the Romans and the Chinese, they leave...
And of course it is the largest and thus the most able to be the anchor for all of Western Civilziation.
Sadly, to some extent this is true -- though it was much more so during the Cold War than it is today.
"all over South America"? I would have to dispute this. Viet Nam was a mess, but it wasn't only America who made it a mess. There was another side who also had its supporters who were just as guilty of making a mess of the Second Indochina War.
Right, the U.S. controls the natural resources of Iraq so much that the sovereign Iraqi government just signed oil exploration and exploitation deals with the PRC and the Russian Federation.
Though this is better indicated by the soft gloves treatment China, one of the world's worst human rights regimes, than any comparison to Iraq.
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
And then, unlike the Romans and the Chinese, they leave...
Someone with sense on the forums...what is the world coming to?gozoman2: Interesting reading to be fair these 7 pages.....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
...having a highly critical view of US world politics does not constitute hatred however.......
...I still contend that the US is possibly the champion of the Western world...a role it deserves as it is made up of all the free nations in the western civilization.....
...however...this role has been warped and corrupted to suite political and financial agendas for quite a few decades now......and it is this that has given rise to anti-american sentiments worldwide....
..in a lot of situations....American intervention resembled a locust invasion.....it swept over the land....consumed all in it's path...and left shambles behind....
...it happened all over South America....it happened in Viet Nam.....it is happening in Iraq....
...how convenient....to destroy a country under the pretension of introducing democracy....then take it over to rebuild it and control all it's natural resources.....
...the National Interest has become more important to global US policy then safeguarding freedom and human rights....
..the needs of the 'Empire' has outdone the concept of a free world....this is where the US today is comaparable to the Romans....
...they come....they see...they conquer....
Uhm, you forget that foreign bashing of America has been going on for over 200 years-hardly the result of "the last few decades" of our policies.Dusty67: Yes the economic zone & it is not recognized by the US.
as to your comment about roman empire & US. in fact those who are chatting to me from US call it the US empire & everything that is happening right now is an exact re inaction of what they did to their currency.
Iraq was not a legal invasion. UN resolution did not cover the way invasion was caried out.
China has a lot more control than you think & will as I said use that precedence set by the US to invade if they wish. You are likely right about the ceceding in the 1800's, but China still claims your islands. As Chairman Mao said 'politics through the barrel of the gun" or words to that effect. might has right but it doesn't mean it is right.
or as we say in military. Peace through superior firepower.
Gabrielle you are pretty much on the button. they have the best of intentions but have trouble learning from their mistakes. Colin Powell tried to rectify that after invasion of Iraq, but was sidelined by people who did not know their history. He saw Iraq was were they could learn from the mistakes of Vietnam.
NZ is no better in some respects. though we are trying in regards to our Treaty of Waitangi & race relations.
Please. If Colin Powell had any brains, he would have resigned instead of making the case for an invasion he later said he didn't believe in. These forums are like reading the Guardian-all heat and NO LIGHT.as to your comment about roman empire & US. in fact those who are chatting to me from US call it the US empire & everything that is happening right now is an exact re inaction of what they did to their currency.
Iraq was not a legal invasion. UN resolution did not cover the way invasion was caried out.
China has a lot more control than you think & will as I said use that precedence set by the US to invade if they wish. You are likely right about the ceceding in the 1800's, but China still claims your islands. As Chairman Mao said 'politics through the barrel of the gun" or words to that effect. might has right but it doesn't mean it is right.
or as we say in military. Peace through superior firepower.
Gabrielle you are pretty much on the button. they have the best of intentions but have trouble learning from their mistakes. Colin Powell tried to rectify that after invasion of Iraq, but was sidelined by people who did not know their history. He saw Iraq was were they could learn from the mistakes of Vietnam.
NZ is no better in some respects. though we are trying in regards to our Treaty of Waitangi & race relations.
gabrielle95: America is the worlds policeman today, why do so many of us criticise their help?
First of all, I think you should make a difference between policeman and help.
US is a great and powerful nation. Unfortunately they believe they are the world's policemen and allow themself to interfeer in other countries politics, governments, dictatorships or civil war. Of course it is naive to believe they do that only to help and getting nothing in return. Sometimes, their intervention was not appropiate at all. One thing I would blame them for is that they believe they are never making mistakes.
In Europe, we shouldn't forget that without the US help in WW2, we would not exist anymore as various and free countries.
But during WW2, the US soldiers were not alone to fight. All allied countries' soldiers did the same to free their country.
About humanitarian help, yes US did help and still does help some countries in a fantastic way. Their contribution is huge and the commitment of those on the ground is remarkable.
The problem is that they believe they are the only ones who are helping. I guess it is because of the US media who report only about US actions. Many US people are bearely conscious that there are other nations, other people, other languages in the World. In Haiti, since that is the actual subject, many countries are helping and send people on the ground who are also very courageous and committed. They give a huge amount of money to bring hospitals, medical care and help to reconstruction.
But in US media, they seem to ignore that the US is not the only country to give help.
This could explain the frustration many of us feel.
It might help if those of you who fell this way would take the time to find out what YOUR POLITICAL LEADERS WANT FROM US. We hardly undertake actions overseas without their input. I think I'm correct to say that we, as a country, would prefer to stay out of the affairs of others but WW's 1 and 2, taught us that a "free market" of ideas on the part of other world leaders can lead to huge costs.First of all, I think you should make a difference between policeman and help.
US is a great and powerful nation. Unfortunately they believe they are the world's policemen and allow themself to interfeer in other countries politics, governments, dictatorships or civil war. Of course it is naive to believe they do that only to help and getting nothing in return. Sometimes, their intervention was not appropiate at all. One thing I would blame them for is that they believe they are never making mistakes.
In Europe, we shouldn't forget that without the US help in WW2, we would not exist anymore as various and free countries.
But during WW2, the US soldiers were not alone to fight. All allied countries' soldiers did the same to free their country.
About humanitarian help, yes US did help and still does help some countries in a fantastic way. Their contribution is huge and the commitment of those on the ground is remarkable.
The problem is that they believe they are the only ones who are helping. I guess it is because of the US media who report only about US actions. Many US people are bearely conscious that there are other nations, other people, other languages in the World. In Haiti, since that is the actual subject, many countries are helping and send people on the ground who are also very courageous and committed. They give a huge amount of money to bring hospitals, medical care and help to reconstruction.
But in US media, they seem to ignore that the US is not the only country to give help.
This could explain the frustration many of us feel.
Dusty67: actually they do Blain but we were in it way before the US. actually due to a mix up in communication NZ was the first country in world to declare war on Germany to mark official start of world war two. could of being embarrassing had someone foudn a solution.
Casualties were highest in world per capita as it was in world war one, but we did much better in Vietnam (yes we were there, came straight from fighting in Malaysia first communists then Indonesians all in the jungle alongside the aussies & brits)
Conrad had a good point before. what iF China goes broke?
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
Not likely!Casualties were highest in world per capita as it was in world war one, but we did much better in Vietnam (yes we were there, came straight from fighting in Malaysia first communists then Indonesians all in the jungle alongside the aussies & brits)
Conrad had a good point before. what iF China goes broke?
at present there is a worry that their bubble is about to burst but they are spending all their US dollars like made buying resources. then US dollar will not be world reserve currency anymore & US will not be worlds policeman anymore China will be & that could be an issue.
China could use the Precedence set by US in invasion of Iraq to invade say Taiwan.
BebeII: Someone with sense on the forums...what is the world coming to?
The Sky Is Falling! (Chicken Little)
BebeII: Yes, you've done such a fine job with Chavez, Che and Castro....
Who mentioned them? Now tell me... Me?why don´t you all heal your disease that only see the world BLACK OR WHITE? So now it is either Bush or Chavez?
I would have to puke now...
Answer with arguments....From the three you have mentioned, I cannot find any kind of inspiration at all. So go cure your blindness-disease.
An interesting Pravda article on American lend lease programs to England and Russia during WWII.
Russia takes pride that it made 30,000 tanks and 40,000 aircraft during the war. Which is quiet an accomplishement for a country invaded and at war. But much of their fabrication was from American steel and aluminium. As the US sent Russia....2.3m tons of steel and 229,000ton of Alumium. How much is that? The steel would make 70,000 T-34 tanks. Russia also recieved 2.5mt of petroleum products from the US.
The US provided Russia with 595 ships. 7,000 A-20, 7025 tanks, 835 B-25 bombers, 4952 Aircobra, 2,410 Kingcobra, 131,000 machine guns. 3.8m ton of food. 15m pairs of military boots. Total Russian WWII funding by the US was $9.8b.
Which was only 1/3 of what England got at $30.3b. During WWI, the US supplied weapons to 42 different countries. Total foreign aid program totaled $46b which was 13% of America total WWII war funding.
So when did the US begin this aid program? First to receive it was
England.....when the day after his Nov. 6th, 1940 election FDR....promoted the Lend Lease program for England. Congress approved it in March of the following year.
Russia began to receive aid as the Germans were approaching Moscow as US and UK agreed to begin delivery of weapons to the country. This in late Sept. of 1941.
Last point....Russia still owes on some of the $722m that was agreed to be repaid. Not a bad military deal....$9.8b for $722m.
Even Stalin knew a good capitolist deal when it was offered.
The article was written by a Russian WWII vet.
Russia takes pride that it made 30,000 tanks and 40,000 aircraft during the war. Which is quiet an accomplishement for a country invaded and at war. But much of their fabrication was from American steel and aluminium. As the US sent Russia....2.3m tons of steel and 229,000ton of Alumium. How much is that? The steel would make 70,000 T-34 tanks. Russia also recieved 2.5mt of petroleum products from the US.
The US provided Russia with 595 ships. 7,000 A-20, 7025 tanks, 835 B-25 bombers, 4952 Aircobra, 2,410 Kingcobra, 131,000 machine guns. 3.8m ton of food. 15m pairs of military boots. Total Russian WWII funding by the US was $9.8b.
Which was only 1/3 of what England got at $30.3b. During WWI, the US supplied weapons to 42 different countries. Total foreign aid program totaled $46b which was 13% of America total WWII war funding.
So when did the US begin this aid program? First to receive it was
England.....when the day after his Nov. 6th, 1940 election FDR....promoted the Lend Lease program for England. Congress approved it in March of the following year.
Russia began to receive aid as the Germans were approaching Moscow as US and UK agreed to begin delivery of weapons to the country. This in late Sept. of 1941.
Last point....Russia still owes on some of the $722m that was agreed to be repaid. Not a bad military deal....$9.8b for $722m.
Even Stalin knew a good capitolist deal when it was offered.
The article was written by a Russian WWII vet.
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just saying that if things are going to go bad in the world then the song says you are best to be wearing your gumboots. The Brits call them Wellingtons, others call them galoshes.
oh & we don't teach your constitution in our schools. Best gunship I seen in Iraq was a russian hind. they are mean. the old cobras are good the marines use but the apache not as good as made out.