America is the worlds policeman today, why do so many of us criticise their help? (189)
Not sure that the question is valid. Who says America is the worlds 'policeman'. Did the rest of the world elect it into that role democratically? What do you mean by America...the USA presumably and if so is a country whose population majority doesn't even travel outside of the state they were born in have the right to police the rest of the world. Given that the USA hold criminal suspects without charge or representation (guantanamo) are they even qualified morally or ethically to police the world. I think absolutely not
styxy: Not sure that the question is valid. Who says America is the worlds 'policeman'. Did the rest of the world elect it into that role democratically? What do you mean by America...the USA presumably and if so is a country whose population majority doesn't even travel outside of the state they were born in have the right to police the rest of the world. Given that the USA hold criminal suspects without charge or representation (guantanamo) are they even qualified morally or ethically to police the world. I think absolutely not
Next time you all take up the slack!
LOOK AT THE VOTE BREAKDOWN IT SPEAKS FOR ITS SELF
lakelander: Well, they have their faults and I don't always agree with their policies but at the same time I can't help thinking what sort of a world we would live in today if it wasn't for them.
hiya lakelander,
fair comment, but i always wonder what the usa are striving for? nuclear weapons! saddamm had none but was executed. only country on earth to kill innocent civilians by dropping nuclear bombs ? the us of a. greed rules this earth and im really afraid that we're too late to stop the downfall of our silly race.
kiwi69: Apparently it's called the constitution, ie right to bear arms but then again thats debatable because under American law that constitutes protection against ones civil rights "PROTECTION", I didn't realize America included amongst their 'so called freedom of speech' the right to INVADE SOVERIGN NATIONS against its own constitutional rights. Properganda says GET REAL
You have a pretty muddled understanding of that Piece of Parchment!
jimmyl: hiya lakelander,
fair comment, but i always wonder what the usa are striving for? nuclear weapons! saddamm had none but was executed. only country on earth to kill innocent civilians by dropping nuclear bombs ? the us of a. greed rules this earth and im really afraid that we're too late to stop the downfall of our silly race.
fair comment, but i always wonder what the usa are striving for? nuclear weapons! saddamm had none but was executed. only country on earth to kill innocent civilians by dropping nuclear bombs ? the us of a. greed rules this earth and im really afraid that we're too late to stop the downfall of our silly race.
Taichungrunner: You mean sovereign nations that harbor terrorists who attacked the United States and sovereign nations who repeatedly violated Chapter Seven UNSC Resolutions which included the legal provision for any and all Member States to enforce those resolutions by any necessary means?
as an irish catholic i find it degrading and derogatory that the war on terrorism only started after 9/11, were my fellow irishmen ie: the ira not also terrorists? and was it right that the usa supported these killers through noraid etc! cant have it all ways guys. one day the bullied get revenge. watch chima then be afraid.
meant china, not chima!! god im so politically correct!!
jimmyl: as an irish catholic i find it degrading and derogatory that the war on terrorism only started after 9/11, were my fellow irishmen ie: the ira not also terrorists? and was it right that the usa supported these killers through noraid etc! cant have it all ways guys. one day the bullied get revenge. watch chima then be afraid.
jimmyl: as an irish catholic i find it degrading and derogatory that the war on terrorism only started after 9/11, were my fellow irishmen ie: the ira not also terrorists? and was it right that the usa supported these killers through noraid etc! cant have it all ways guys. one day the bullied get revenge. watch chima then be afraid.
US-Government supported them?Be precise!
Unionist politicians and the British, Irish and United States governments have accused Noraid of being a front for the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), involved in fund raising for IRA arms importation from North America since the early 1970s. This accusation has always been denied by Noraid. Noraid's former leader, Martin Galvin, was banned from the United Kingdom in the 1980s.
styxy: Not sure that the question is valid. Who says America is the worlds 'policeman'. Did the rest of the world elect it into that role democratically? What do you mean by America...the USA presumably and if so is a country whose population majority doesn't even travel outside of the state they were born
Most American's don't travel outside the state they were born? Where do heck do you get THAT nonsense?!?!?
In response to: in have the right to police the rest of the world. Given that the USA hold criminal suspects without charge or representation (guantanamo) are they even qualified morally or ethically to police the world. I think absolutely not
lol... Most countries hold people taken on the battlefield indefinately until said war has reached its conclusion. Your own country has done the same on innumerable occasions.
jimmyl: hiya lakelander,
fair comment, but i always wonder what the usa are striving for? nuclear weapons! saddamm had none but was executed. only country on earth to kill innocent civilians by dropping nuclear bombs ? the us of a. greed rules this earth and im really afraid that we're too late to stop the downfall of our silly race.
fair comment, but i always wonder what the usa are striving for? nuclear weapons! saddamm had none but was executed. only country on earth to kill innocent civilians by dropping nuclear bombs ? the us of a. greed rules this earth and im really afraid that we're too late to stop the downfall of our silly race.
So, you would rather civilians killed in firebombing raids? What happened to several German cities in addition to Tokyo?
jimmyl: as an irish catholic i find it degrading and derogatory that the war on terrorism only started after 9/11, were my fellow irishmen ie: the ira not also terrorists? and was it right that the usa supported these killers through noraid etc! cant have it all ways guys. one day the bullied get revenge. watch chima then be afraid.
The IRA were terrorists, but they were not supported by the US government. NORAID was a PRIVATE group is Irish-American citizens. In fact, the US government did accuse NORAID of being an IRA front. However, to say the US government supported the IRA is simply wrong. I would advise retracting that statement if you want to maintain any credibility.
People talk as if their opinion matters on things such as this,
America is just as warmongering under the so called lefty Democrats as it was under the Republicans, this tells you the government cares little for representing the will of its people and that its allegiances lay elsewhere.
A similar story unfolds across the rest of western government. The problem is not a specific 'nation' but a herd like mentality we are all guilty of that allows the powers that be free reign to do what they see fit, token bickering gets you nowhere.
America is just as warmongering under the so called lefty Democrats as it was under the Republicans, this tells you the government cares little for representing the will of its people and that its allegiances lay elsewhere.
A similar story unfolds across the rest of western government. The problem is not a specific 'nation' but a herd like mentality we are all guilty of that allows the powers that be free reign to do what they see fit, token bickering gets you nowhere.
As for war being waged for anything other than protection of your country men/women, it should be classed as a crime against humanity and the perpetrators pursued for the crime. Even if they're presidents priministers royalty or any government institution globally!
Mahatma Gandhi
“Nonviolence is a weapon of the strong”
Mahatma Gandhi
“Nonviolence is a weapon of the strong”
BebeII: Thank you Ttom, and let's remember that only Finland ever paid off it's debts to the U.S.-In 1976.
Although your pretty, please get some education sweetheart, every commenwealth country especially the UK only recently paid America back for your limited services during WW2 about 3 years ago as the great home of the brave (lol lol) sat back and made money selling hardware (cost price) as men fought and died.
Now America since WW2 are in a position where you owe us due to your INVASION of soverign countries and you rely once again as in vietnam etc etc to bail you out. Iraq springs to mind
kiwi69: Although your pretty, please get some education sweetheart, every commenwealth country especially the UK only recently paid America back for your limited services during WW2 about 3 years ago as the great home of the brave (lol lol) sat back and made money selling hardware (cost price) as men fought and died.
Rather than being condescending, why don't you actually provide a citation! If this is true, it is very recent because for a long time it was indeed only Finland that fully paid the US back for material provided during World War II.
In response to: Now America since WW2 are in a position where you owe us due to your INVASION of soverign countries and you rely once again as in vietnam etc etc to bail you out. Iraq springs to mind
The US did NOT invade Viet Nam. The Iraq invasion was made legal by a UN Security Council Resolution (though you would deny its validity to be sure despite the fact that the language is CLEAR).
Taichungrunner: Rather than being condescending, why don't you actually provide a citation! If this is true, it is very recent because for a long time it was indeed only Finland that fully paid the US back for material provided during World War II.
The US did NOT invade Viet Nam. The Iraq invasion was made legal by a UN Security Council Resolution (though you would deny its validity to be sure despite the fact that the language is CLEAR).
The US did NOT invade Viet Nam. The Iraq invasion was made legal by a UN Security Council Resolution (though you would deny its validity to be sure despite the fact that the language is CLEAR).
Fair call, when New Zealand refused American Nuclear warships in our ports America cut off all trade with NZ ie butter, dairy, sheep blah blah blah (trade sanctions) SO WHAT? The big Americans dictate what exactly? Guess what? Your nuclear might is still not welcome but a pissy little country still fights your wars after America pleads for assistance, IOU, oh my did I say too much, have a reality check
Taichungrunner: Rather than being condescending, why don't you actually provide a citation! If this is true, it is very recent because for a long time it was indeed only Finland that fully paid the US back for material provided during World War II.
The US did NOT invade Viet Nam. The Iraq invasion was made legal by a UN Security Council Resolution (though you would deny its validity to be sure despite the fact that the language is CLEAR).
The US did NOT invade Viet Nam. The Iraq invasion was made legal by a UN Security Council Resolution (though you would deny its validity to be sure despite the fact that the language is CLEAR).
I beg any Brittish/commenwealth to put this non informed non educated person right regarding when we paid America back for wimps, I know for a fact because I have family that died big boy, in fact NZ lost more people per pop than any other country. Heres an idea- why not google it and look up ANZACS champ
kiwi69: I beg any Brittish/commenwealth to put this non informed non educated person right regarding when we paid America back for wimps, I know for a fact because I have family that died big boy, in fact NZ lost more people per pop than any other country. Heres an idea- why not google it and look up ANZACS champ
Sorry, I take it back- I should have said chump not champ. Policman ha ha ha
kiwi69: I beg any Brittish/commenwealth to put this non informed non educated person right regarding when we paid America back for wimps, I know for a fact because I have family that died big boy, in fact NZ lost more people per pop than any other country. Heres an idea- why not google it and look up ANZACS champ
Had a Seance?
Conrad73: Had a Seance?
Hi Conrad, Its amazing I havent been on in over a month & the same people are still posting the same things
steve6610: Hi Conrad, Its amazing I havent been on in over a month & the same people are still posting the same things
Had a 2week Break plus myself.That Guy is the Gift that keeps on giving!
France occupied all of Vietnam by 1884. Independence was declared after World War II, but the French continued to rule until 1954 when they were defeated by communist forces under HO Chi Minh, who took control of the north. US economic and military aid to South Vietnam grew through the 1960s in an attempt to bolster the government, but US armed forces were withdrawn following a cease-fire agreement in 1973. Two years later North Vietnamese forces overran the south. Economic reconstruction of the reunited country has proven difficult as aging Communist Party leaders have only grudgingly initiated reforms necessary for a free market.
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.
The following is "a" version of events; it doesn’t mention dispossessing of land in the South owned by non-Christians, or the shipping of 1000’s of North Vietnamese Christians south, who were often vested ownership of land without the legal owners consent.
August 3, 1950
A U.S. Military_Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) of 35 men arrives in Saigon. By the end of the year, the U.S. is bearing half of the cost of France's war effort in Vietnam.
June, 1954
The CIA establishes a military mission in Saigon. Bao Dai selects Ngo Dinh Diem as prime Minster of his government.
July 20, 1954
The Geneva Conference on Indochina declares a demilitarized_zone at the 17th parallel.
October 24, 1954
President Eisenhower pledges support to Diem's_government and military forces.
1955
The U.S.-backed Ngo Dinh Diem organizes the Republic of Vietnam as an independent nation; declares himself president.
July 8, 1959
The first American combat deaths in Vietnam occur when Viet Cong attack Bien Hoa billets; two servicemen are killed.
1960
The National Liberation Front (NLF)--called the Viet Cong--is founded in South Vietnam.
History: Established by the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty (“Manila Pact”), effective February 19, 1955, signed by Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States; and Protocol to the Main Treaty, signed by Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), Laos, and Cambodia, September 8, 1954. Protocol abrogated by Laos, July 9, 1962, and Cambodia, April 11, 1964. Pakistan gave one-year notice of withdrawal, November 8, 1972. SEATO Military Planning Office disbanded, January 31, 1974. France terminated financial contribution, June 30, 1974. Fall of Republic of Vietnam, April 30, 1975, resulted in de facto abrogation of Manila Pact. Philippines and Thailand announced intention to phase out SEATO, July 24, 1975. SEATO terminated, June 30, 1977.
VIETNAM 1957
1- Elbridge Durbrow becomes Amb to Vietnam
1-3 ICC complain that both No and So are not complying with peace
5-5 Diem addresses Congress
6- Last French advisors leave South
10- Communists form first armed unit of former VM fighters
1959
1- North’s Central Executive Committee issues Resolution 15... realigning its strategy in South as mili, not political
4-4 Eisenhower makes first commitment to South at Gettysburg Coll.
4-12 Christian Herter replaces John Dulles as Secretary of State
5- North establishes Group 559 to expand HCM Trail
5-6 Diem issues Law 10/59 to persecute dissension
7-1 Lyman Lemnitzer becomes Army Chf of Staff, Maxwell Taylor leaves
7-8 Two US advisors killed by communists in Bien Hoa
12-1 Thomas Gates becomes Sec of Defence, Neil McElroy leaves
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.
The following is "a" version of events; it doesn’t mention dispossessing of land in the South owned by non-Christians, or the shipping of 1000’s of North Vietnamese Christians south, who were often vested ownership of land without the legal owners consent.
August 3, 1950
A U.S. Military_Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) of 35 men arrives in Saigon. By the end of the year, the U.S. is bearing half of the cost of France's war effort in Vietnam.
June, 1954
The CIA establishes a military mission in Saigon. Bao Dai selects Ngo Dinh Diem as prime Minster of his government.
July 20, 1954
The Geneva Conference on Indochina declares a demilitarized_zone at the 17th parallel.
October 24, 1954
President Eisenhower pledges support to Diem's_government and military forces.
1955
The U.S.-backed Ngo Dinh Diem organizes the Republic of Vietnam as an independent nation; declares himself president.
July 8, 1959
The first American combat deaths in Vietnam occur when Viet Cong attack Bien Hoa billets; two servicemen are killed.
1960
The National Liberation Front (NLF)--called the Viet Cong--is founded in South Vietnam.
History: Established by the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty (“Manila Pact”), effective February 19, 1955, signed by Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States; and Protocol to the Main Treaty, signed by Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), Laos, and Cambodia, September 8, 1954. Protocol abrogated by Laos, July 9, 1962, and Cambodia, April 11, 1964. Pakistan gave one-year notice of withdrawal, November 8, 1972. SEATO Military Planning Office disbanded, January 31, 1974. France terminated financial contribution, June 30, 1974. Fall of Republic of Vietnam, April 30, 1975, resulted in de facto abrogation of Manila Pact. Philippines and Thailand announced intention to phase out SEATO, July 24, 1975. SEATO terminated, June 30, 1977.
VIETNAM 1957
1- Elbridge Durbrow becomes Amb to Vietnam
1-3 ICC complain that both No and So are not complying with peace
5-5 Diem addresses Congress
6- Last French advisors leave South
10- Communists form first armed unit of former VM fighters
1959
1- North’s Central Executive Committee issues Resolution 15... realigning its strategy in South as mili, not political
4-4 Eisenhower makes first commitment to South at Gettysburg Coll.
4-12 Christian Herter replaces John Dulles as Secretary of State
5- North establishes Group 559 to expand HCM Trail
5-6 Diem issues Law 10/59 to persecute dissension
7-1 Lyman Lemnitzer becomes Army Chf of Staff, Maxwell Taylor leaves
7-8 Two US advisors killed by communists in Bien Hoa
12-1 Thomas Gates becomes Sec of Defence, Neil McElroy leaves
Conrad73: Had a Seance?
You can laugh all you want (actually it is quite funny) but it's true. Big brother is even more hillarious. I suppose American's beat the caveman along with Darwin since education condridicts reality.
I WANT A GREEN CARD, that way I'll be thick,
Britain made the final payment of its WW2 debt to America on 29th December 2006
robplum: France occupied all of Vietnam by 1884. Independence was declared after World War II, but the French continued to rule until 1954 when they were defeated by communist forces under HO Chi Minh, who took control of the north. US economic and military aid to South Vietnam grew through the 1960s in an attempt to bolster the government, but US armed forces were withdrawn following a cease-fire agreement in 1973. Two years later North Vietnamese forces overran the south. Economic reconstruction of the reunited country has proven difficult as aging Communist Party leaders have only grudgingly initiated reforms necessary for a free market.
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.
The following is "a" version of events; it doesn’t mention dispossessing of land in the South owned by non-Christians, or the shipping of 1000’s of North Vietnamese Christians south, who were often vested ownership of land without the legal owners consent.
August 3, 1950
A U.S. Military_Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) of 35 men arrives in Saigon. By the end of the year, the U.S. is bearing half of the cost of France's war effort in Vietnam.
June, 1954
The CIA establishes a military mission in Saigon. Bao Dai selects Ngo Dinh Diem as prime Minster of his government.
July 20, 1954
The Geneva Conference on Indochina declares a demilitarized_zone at the 17th parallel.
October 24, 1954
President Eisenhower pledges support to Diem's_government and military forces.
1955
The U.S.-backed Ngo Dinh Diem organizes the Republic of Vietnam as an independent nation; declares himself president.
July 8, 1959
The first American combat deaths in Vietnam occur when Viet Cong attack Bien Hoa billets; two servicemen are killed.
1960
The National Liberation Front (NLF)--called the Viet Cong--is founded in South Vietnam.
History: Established by the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty (“Manila Pact”), effective February 19, 1955, signed by Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States; and Protocol to the Main Treaty, signed by Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), Laos, and Cambodia, September 8, 1954. Protocol abrogated by Laos, July 9, 1962, and Cambodia, April 11, 1964. Pakistan gave one-year notice of withdrawal, November 8, 1972. SEATO Military Planning Office disbanded, January 31, 1974. France terminated financial contribution, June 30, 1974. Fall of Republic of Vietnam, April 30, 1975, resulted in de facto abrogation of Manila Pact. Philippines and Thailand announced intention to phase out SEATO, July 24, 1975. SEATO terminated, June 30, 1977.
VIETNAM 1957
1- Elbridge Durbrow becomes Amb to Vietnam
1-3 ICC complain that both No and So are not complying with peace
5-5 Diem addresses Congress
6- Last French advisors leave South
10- Communists form first armed unit of former VM fighters
1959
1- North’s Central Executive Committee issues Resolution 15... realigning its strategy in South as mili, not political
4-4 Eisenhower makes first commitment to South at Gettysburg Coll.
4-12 Christian Herter replaces John Dulles as Secretary of State
5- North establishes Group 559 to expand HCM Trail
5-6 Diem issues Law 10/59 to persecute dissension
7-1 Lyman Lemnitzer becomes Army Chf of Staff, Maxwell Taylor leaves
7-8 Two US advisors killed by communists in Bien Hoa
12-1 Thomas Gates becomes Sec of Defence, Neil McElroy leaves
You forgot to mention,that the North's Mo followed pretty close the MO of the Communists elsewhere,subversion at any price!Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.
The following is "a" version of events; it doesn’t mention dispossessing of land in the South owned by non-Christians, or the shipping of 1000’s of North Vietnamese Christians south, who were often vested ownership of land without the legal owners consent.
August 3, 1950
A U.S. Military_Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) of 35 men arrives in Saigon. By the end of the year, the U.S. is bearing half of the cost of France's war effort in Vietnam.
June, 1954
The CIA establishes a military mission in Saigon. Bao Dai selects Ngo Dinh Diem as prime Minster of his government.
July 20, 1954
The Geneva Conference on Indochina declares a demilitarized_zone at the 17th parallel.
October 24, 1954
President Eisenhower pledges support to Diem's_government and military forces.
1955
The U.S.-backed Ngo Dinh Diem organizes the Republic of Vietnam as an independent nation; declares himself president.
July 8, 1959
The first American combat deaths in Vietnam occur when Viet Cong attack Bien Hoa billets; two servicemen are killed.
1960
The National Liberation Front (NLF)--called the Viet Cong--is founded in South Vietnam.
History: Established by the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty (“Manila Pact”), effective February 19, 1955, signed by Pakistan, the Philippines, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States; and Protocol to the Main Treaty, signed by Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), Laos, and Cambodia, September 8, 1954. Protocol abrogated by Laos, July 9, 1962, and Cambodia, April 11, 1964. Pakistan gave one-year notice of withdrawal, November 8, 1972. SEATO Military Planning Office disbanded, January 31, 1974. France terminated financial contribution, June 30, 1974. Fall of Republic of Vietnam, April 30, 1975, resulted in de facto abrogation of Manila Pact. Philippines and Thailand announced intention to phase out SEATO, July 24, 1975. SEATO terminated, June 30, 1977.
VIETNAM 1957
1- Elbridge Durbrow becomes Amb to Vietnam
1-3 ICC complain that both No and So are not complying with peace
5-5 Diem addresses Congress
6- Last French advisors leave South
10- Communists form first armed unit of former VM fighters
1959
1- North’s Central Executive Committee issues Resolution 15... realigning its strategy in South as mili, not political
4-4 Eisenhower makes first commitment to South at Gettysburg Coll.
4-12 Christian Herter replaces John Dulles as Secretary of State
5- North establishes Group 559 to expand HCM Trail
5-6 Diem issues Law 10/59 to persecute dissension
7-1 Lyman Lemnitzer becomes Army Chf of Staff, Maxwell Taylor leaves
7-8 Two US advisors killed by communists in Bien Hoa
12-1 Thomas Gates becomes Sec of Defence, Neil McElroy leaves
I understood he fought the Japanese with American support in China before becoming uncle ho
Much like the Bin Laden family
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You mean sovereign nations that harbor terrorists who attacked the United States and sovereign nations who repeatedly violated Chapter Seven UNSC Resolutions which included the legal provision for any and all Member States to enforce those resolutions by any necessary means?