A good man? (610)
Jfuhrer: you self righteous hypocrite.....voicing an opinion your funny.
any one says anything that does not meet with your ways you shoot them down.
believe what you like but dont try and convert overs to think what you think.
lots of love xxx......your new mate
any one says anything that does not meet with your ways you shoot them down.
believe what you like but dont try and convert overs to think what you think.
lots of love xxx......your new mate
Damn,ain't you gonna last here!
royester24: the GOD i believe in is a mercyfull and compassionate..
Then you do not believe in the god of the bibleConrad73: Damn,ain't you gonna last here!
just thought I'd give my new best mate some comments as he so kindly did for me lol
Jfuhrer: you self righteous hypocrite.....voicing an opinion your funny.
any one says anything that does not meet with your ways you shoot them down.
believe what you like but dont try and convert overs to think what you think.
lots of love xxx......your new mate
any one says anything that does not meet with your ways you shoot them down.
believe what you like but dont try and convert overs to think what you think.
lots of love xxx......your new mate
Firstly coming from you I find that completely hysterical.
Secondly If you're incapable of actually defending your opinions then I suggest you wander down to the local National Front Party meeting where your single digit IQ will actually pass you off as a genius.
Thirdly Personally I'd rather be mates with Saddam Hussains decaying body than even admit I know you.
Finally TRY, TRY, TRY to stay on topic.
Iuchi_Zien: Firstly coming from you I find that completely hysterical.
Secondly If you're incapable of actually defending your opinions then I suggest you wander down to the local National Front Party meeting where your single digit IQ will actually pass you off as a genius.
Thirdly Personally I'd rather be mates with Saddam Hussains decaying body than even admit I know you.
Finally TRY, TRY, TRY to stay on topic.
Secondly If you're incapable of actually defending your opinions then I suggest you wander down to the local National Front Party meeting where your single digit IQ will actually pass you off as a genius.
Thirdly Personally I'd rather be mates with Saddam Hussains decaying body than even admit I know you.
Finally TRY, TRY, TRY to stay on topic.
ahh thank you very much i love you too.
the nf hmmm na not for me.
aint it funny the apparently so innocent god lovely man is the only one losing his temper.
people like you cause was and death.
xxxxx forever yours
Jfuhrer: ahh thank you very much i love you too.
the nf hmmm na not for me.
aint it funny the apparently so innocent god lovely man is the only one losing his temper.
people like you cause was and death.
xxxxx forever yours
the nf hmmm na not for me.
aint it funny the apparently so innocent god lovely man is the only one losing his temper.
people like you cause was and death.
xxxxx forever yours
Why will you not defend your opinions?
Iuchi_Zien: Firstly coming from you I find that completely hysterical.
Secondly If you're incapable of actually defending your opinions then I suggest you wander down to the local National Front Party meeting where your single digit IQ will actually pass you off as a genius.
Thirdly Personally I'd rather be mates with Saddam Hussains decaying body than even admit I know you.
Finally TRY, TRY, TRY to stay on topic.
Secondly If you're incapable of actually defending your opinions then I suggest you wander down to the local National Front Party meeting where your single digit IQ will actually pass you off as a genius.
Thirdly Personally I'd rather be mates with Saddam Hussains decaying body than even admit I know you.
Finally TRY, TRY, TRY to stay on topic.
oh and to your topic.....god as i believe will accept anyone into heaven who has been a good man even if he has not worshipped god himself.
what ever religion colour or race importances is to leave your life to fullest as a good man and you cant lose
royester24: in no way can we claim to fully understand god a lot is beyond our grasp as human beings.the essence and nature of god is love mercy and compassion god knows the heart and mind of aperson his fellings towards his fellow man and towards god himself there has been so called christians who carried out hiens crimes even the so called church in rome through the centurys.they need to repent allso to enter eternal life,god will as it says in scripture judge hischurch and cleansed it/ iam not a theologin ihave no degrees many will probley dissagreewith me iam just aman like you ido not have all the
answers it says in scripture god uses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise.
answers it says in scripture god uses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise.
You were saying - - - - -
Burn Children
Later on God tested Abraham's faith and obedience. "Abraham!" God called." Yes," he replied. "Here I am." "Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you." (Genesis 22:1-2 NLT)
Jfuhrer: oh and to your topic.....god as i believe will accept anyone into heaven who has been a good man even if he has not worshipped god himself.
what ever religion colour or race importances is to leave your life to fullest as a good man and you cant lose
what ever religion colour or race importances is to leave your life to fullest as a good man and you cant lose
and on what do you base this belief?
Jfuhrer: oh and to your topic.....god as i believe will accept anyone into heaven who has been a good man even if he has not worshipped god himself.
what ever religion colour or race importances is to leave your life to fullest as a good man and you cant lose
what ever religion colour or race importances is to leave your life to fullest as a good man and you cant lose
I quote
JOHN 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by
me.
(John 14:6 RSV)
Is the the correct understanding of John 14:6?
Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus and
Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses.
Question
can he let in those who do not believe in Him i.e. the "good man"?
theoldestdear: I quote
JOHN 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by
me.
(John 14:6 RSV)
Is the the correct understanding of John 14:6?
Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus and
Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses.
Question
can he let in those who do not believe in Him i.e. the "good man"?
JOHN 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by
me.
(John 14:6 RSV)
Is the the correct understanding of John 14:6?
Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus and
Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses.
Question
can he let in those who do not believe in Him i.e. the "good man"?
Be a good man like i said dont have to believe in him, and when you die seeing is believing i so you will go to heaven.
look beyond the book and read deeper.
you will not be punished by being good
it is written god says iwill make a new covenant with the house of israel it will not be like the covenant i made with your forefathers.when i brought you out of ejpt because you did not follow my law or statues. this is the cevenant i will make with the house of israel. no longer will a man teach his neighhbour know the lord because they will all know me from the least of them to the greatest AND THERE SINS AND WICKEDNESS I WILL REMBER NO MORE.
THE NEW COVENANT INSITUTED BY THE LORD JESUS.THE NEW TESTAMENT/THE OLD IS GONE THE NEW HAS COME GRACE FORGIVENESS MERCY LOVE AND PEACE/
AS THE LORD HAS SAID IT IS FINISHED AND SO AM I FINISHED ANSWERING
ANY MORE QUESTIONS THANK YOU LOVE AND PEACE TO YOU ALL
THE NEW COVENANT INSITUTED BY THE LORD JESUS.THE NEW TESTAMENT/THE OLD IS GONE THE NEW HAS COME GRACE FORGIVENESS MERCY LOVE AND PEACE/
AS THE LORD HAS SAID IT IS FINISHED AND SO AM I FINISHED ANSWERING
ANY MORE QUESTIONS THANK YOU LOVE AND PEACE TO YOU ALL
Iuchi_Zien: And the relevance to the question asked by this thread is....?
Anyone would think some Christians were deliberately trying to de-rail the thread from the questions asked? That SURELY couldn't be the case could it?
So come on what is heaven and hell, for good and evil? worshippers of God (and if so which ones?) and non-believers?
Anyone would think some Christians were deliberately trying to de-rail the thread from the questions asked? That SURELY couldn't be the case could it?
So come on what is heaven and hell, for good and evil? worshippers of God (and if so which ones?) and non-believers?
The response was to crotalus claiming that he had posted links supporting his claims.
Had you bothered to read rather than just fly off the handle with your reaction you would have seen that.
Jfuhrer: Be a good man like i said dont have to believe in him, and when you die seeing is believing i so you will go to heaven.
look beyond the book and read deeper.
you will not be punished by being good
look beyond the book and read deeper.
you will not be punished by being good
are you suggesting that you believe in some form of final judgment at which one's good and bad deeds are evaluated and compared?
i.e. Those who receive a passing grade are sent to Heaven; those who fail end up in Hell.
This concept would be difficult to implement fairly: If, for example, a passing grade were set at 50%, then those with 49.99% would be tortured for eternity in Hell, and those with 50.00% would be rewarded with heaven. This would appear to be an unjust, unfair treatment for a person who might fall short by only one good deed.
what about if a person had been allowed to live just 10 minutes more, he might have done one more good work (or one fewer evil deed) and be given eternal reward in Heaven.
please explain your views that "you will not be punshed for being good" . To enter heaven must I do only good things? Good in the view of whom? How do I know what is good?
crotalus667: then spend the next 5 mins learning to crossreference using google
The fact remains that you have not posted the supporting links under this identity that you claimed you had.
If you wish to prove me wrong please feel free to try. I'm not here to do your homework for you.
OK Chris?
theoldestdear: I quote
JOHN 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by
me.
(John 14:6 RSV)
Is the the correct understanding of John 14:6?
Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus and
Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses.
Question
can he let in those who do not believe in Him i.e. the "good man"?
JOHN 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth,
and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by
me.
(John 14:6 RSV)
Is the the correct understanding of John 14:6?
Jesus is the gatekeeper to Heaven. Nobody gets to the Father, that is, gets into Heaven, except by being let in by Jesus and
Jesus may let them in for whatever reasons He chooses.
Question
can he let in those who do not believe in Him i.e. the "good man"?
Someone like you describe might be following Jesus and not admit it, or realise it, sort of like a man might say he is a traditional Cherokee indian and believe he is but in reality he lives more like a regular American, watches tv does the internet etc.
It says in the Bible, when I was hungry you fed me, when I was cold you gave me your coat, it seems to indicate God goes more by actions than lip service.
katt1017: OK Chris?
Is she talking to you Crotalus or me?
royester24: it is written god says iwill make a new covenant with the house of israel it will not be like the covenant i made with your forefathers.when i brought you out of ejpt because you did not follow my law or statues. this is the cevenant i will make with the house of israel. no longer will a man teach his neighhbour know the lord because they will all know me from the least of them to the greatest AND THERE SINS AND WICKEDNESS I WILL REMBER NO MORE.
THE NEW COVENANT INSITUTED BY THE LORD JESUS.THE NEW TESTAMENT/THE OLD IS GONE THE NEW HAS COME GRACE FORGIVENESS MERCY LOVE AND PEACE/
AS THE LORD HAS SAID IT IS FINISHED AND SO AM I FINISHED ANSWERING
ANY MORE QUESTIONS THANK YOU LOVE AND PEACE TO YOU ALL
THE NEW COVENANT INSITUTED BY THE LORD JESUS.THE NEW TESTAMENT/THE OLD IS GONE THE NEW HAS COME GRACE FORGIVENESS MERCY LOVE AND PEACE/
AS THE LORD HAS SAID IT IS FINISHED AND SO AM I FINISHED ANSWERING
ANY MORE QUESTIONS THANK YOU LOVE AND PEACE TO YOU ALL
however
In the year 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a document: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church." It stated that
salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation." Members of other religions (ie non-catholics) are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
your comments?
Iuchi_Zien: Is she talking to you Crotalus or me?
Crotalus
elmoangel: Someone like you describe might be following Jesus and not admit it, or realise it, sort of like a man might say he is a traditional Cherokee indian and believe he is but in reality he lives more like a regular American, watches tv does the internet etc.
It says in the Bible, when I was hungry you fed me, when I was cold you gave me your coat, it seems to indicate God goes more by actions than lip service.
It says in the Bible, when I was hungry you fed me, when I was cold you gave me your coat, it seems to indicate God goes more by actions than lip service.
it also says in the same bible about the same God:
John 3:3: "...no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
John 3:18: "...whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
Acts 3:23: "And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people." (ASV)
Acts 4:12: "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved"
seems that the bible that you follow is suggesting in theses verses that the "good man" in this post is doomed
theoldestdear: however
In the year 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a document: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church." It stated that
salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation." Members of other religions (ie non-catholics) are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
your comments?
In the year 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a document: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church." It stated that
salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation." Members of other religions (ie non-catholics) are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
your comments?
I AM NOT A ROMEING CATHOLIC AND DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL ITS TEACHINGS
OR IT INSITUTION IAM A CHRISTIAN A BELIVER IN JESUS NOT THE POPE
theoldestdear: however
In the year 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a document: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church." It stated that
salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation." Members of other religions (ie non-catholics) are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
your comments?
In the year 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a document: " 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church." It stated that
salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox. The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation." Members of other religions (ie non-catholics) are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
your comments?
Would I be right in paraphrasing that to say :
God doesn't care if you are Christian or not provided you aren't Hindu, Sikkh or Buddhist strangely Athiests WILL get a shot at heaven
. So how do the Christian 'moral majority' stand on that?Iuchi_Zien: Would I be right in paraphrasing that to say :
God doesn't care if you are Christian or not provided you aren't Hindu, Sikkh or Buddhist strangely Athiests WILL get a shot at heaven . So how do the Christian 'moral majority' stand on that?
God doesn't care if you are Christian or not provided you aren't Hindu, Sikkh or Buddhist strangely Athiests WILL get a shot at heaven . So how do the Christian 'moral majority' stand on that?
indeed
looks to me as if the "good man" at the start of this post may have a back door route to heaven after all
royester24: I AM NOT A ROMEING CATHOLIC AND DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL ITS TEACHINGS
OR IT INSITUTION IAM A CHRISTIAN A BELIVER IN JESUS NOT THE POPE
OR IT INSITUTION IAM A CHRISTIAN A BELIVER IN JESUS NOT THE POPE
What's the difference by the way?
royester24: I AM NOT A ROMEING CATHOLIC AND DO NOT AGREE WITH ALL ITS TEACHINGS
OR IT INSITUTION IAM A CHRISTIAN A BELIVER IN JESUS NOT THE POPE
OR IT INSITUTION IAM A CHRISTIAN A BELIVER IN JESUS NOT THE POPE
are you suggesting that Roman Catholics are not Chrstians?
Something little about Jesus and I think, he really made his point about him 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTzXJMU1sLc
And how it probably looks in hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTzXJMU1sLc
And how it probably looks in hell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc&feature=related
theoldestdear: are you suggesting that Roman Catholics are not Chrstians?
Didn't you know? They are HERETICS! and that is far worse than practising another religion!
54xmax: What's the difference by the way?
THE DIFFERENCE IS I AM SAVED BY GRACE NOTHING I CAN DO TO EARN IT IT IS FREE FREE FREE I DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW RITUALS REGULATIONS AS IT IS WRITTEN IF THE LORD SETS YOU FREE YOU ARE FREE INDEED NOTHING ICAN DO CAN SAVE MY SELF IT IS THE LORD WORK OF GRACE
IT IS A GIFT YOU TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT FREE FREE FREE
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in no way can we claim to fully understand god a lot is beyond our grasp as human beings.the essence and nature of god is love mercy and compassion god knows the heart and mind of aperson his fellings towards his fellow man and towards god himself there has been so called christians who carried out hiens crimes even the so called church in rome through the centurys.they need to repent allso to enter eternal life,god will as it says in scripture judge hischurch and cleansed it/ iam not a theologin ihave no degrees many will probley dissagreewith me iam just aman like you ido not have all the
answers it says in scripture god uses the foolish things of this world to shame the wise.