A good man? (610)
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one day a man went to rich person and requested him for some money because he had nothing to stay alive with.
the rich man gave him some money and told him , spend some on your own need and the remaining on poor people.
so the man helped some people with the remaining money.at that way he helped some needy people.
but the question is that to whom the credit should goes to. the rich man or the man who helped some people
more of the credit shoul go the rich man cuz if he had not given him the money then the man would not be able to help those people.
let suppose one day the rich person and other man meet and the other man refuses to know the rich person even he says that they have never met. so how can that man be a good person.even if he helped some poor people he forgote the mercy and help of the rich man who had saved his life.
god has given us all the thing that we have
our body parts , power and strength, wealth and authority and the most important is the life.
.
so to be a good you should first believe in god .. so if a man forgote all the blesses mercy and help of god by no believing in god i think this is some thing bad and worse.
the rich man gave him some money and told him , spend some on your own need and the remaining on poor people.
so the man helped some people with the remaining money.at that way he helped some needy people.
but the question is that to whom the credit should goes to. the rich man or the man who helped some people
more of the credit shoul go the rich man cuz if he had not given him the money then the man would not be able to help those people.
let suppose one day the rich person and other man meet and the other man refuses to know the rich person even he says that they have never met. so how can that man be a good person.even if he helped some poor people he forgote the mercy and help of the rich man who had saved his life.
god has given us all the thing that we have
our body parts , power and strength, wealth and authority and the most important is the life.
.
so to be a good you should first believe in god .. so if a man forgote all the blesses mercy and help of god by no believing in god i think this is some thing bad and worse.
Nice!
sayyer: one day a man went to rich person and requested him for some money because he had nothing to stay alive with.
the rich man gave him some money and told him , spend some on your own need and the remaining on poor people.
so the man helped some people with the remaining money.at that way he helped some needy people.
but the question is that to whom the credit should goes to. the rich man or the man who helped some people
more of the credit shoul go the rich man cuz if he had not given him the money then the man would not be able to help those people.
let suppose one day the rich person and other man meet and the other man refuses to know the rich person even he says that they have never met. so how can that man be a good person.even if he helped some poor people he forgote the mercy and help of the rich man who had saved his life.
god has given us all the thing that we have
our body parts , power and strength, wealth and authority and the most important is the life.
.
so to be a good you should first believe in god .. so if a man forgote all the blesses mercy and help of god by no believing in god i think this is some thing bad and worse.
the rich man gave him some money and told him , spend some on your own need and the remaining on poor people.
so the man helped some people with the remaining money.at that way he helped some needy people.
but the question is that to whom the credit should goes to. the rich man or the man who helped some people
more of the credit shoul go the rich man cuz if he had not given him the money then the man would not be able to help those people.
let suppose one day the rich person and other man meet and the other man refuses to know the rich person even he says that they have never met. so how can that man be a good person.even if he helped some poor people he forgote the mercy and help of the rich man who had saved his life.
god has given us all the thing that we have
our body parts , power and strength, wealth and authority and the most important is the life.
.
so to be a good you should first believe in god .. so if a man forgote all the blesses mercy and help of god by no believing in god i think this is some thing bad and worse.
sayyer:
so to be a good you should first believe in god ..
then how do you explain good people that do not belive in god ??? Lets look at the facts prisons in the us have a higher lower precentege of atheists than there are on the outside so the statment to be even remotely true should read to be good you should not believe in god (although the statment is still fundemently flawed )so to be a good you should first believe in god ..
Where did you get your intellectual percentage facts from?
crotalus667: then how do you explain good people that do not belive in god ??? Lets look at the facts prisons in the us have a higher lower precentege of atheists than there are on the outside so the statment to be even remotely true should read to be good you should not believe in god (although the statment is still fundemently flawed )
crotalus667: then how do you explain good people that do not belive in god ??? Lets look at the facts prisons in the us have a lower precentege of atheists than there are on the outside and a higher precentege of people that belive in a god than on the outside so the statment to be even remotely true should read to be good you should not believe in god (although the statment is still fundemently flawed )
(fixed some typos ) for the recored that is based on a report produced by the us goverment (2004/5 iirc)Never heard of the report you mention. Federal/State/Local? Can you provide more info to verify these facts?
I think no one can deny people who believe in God and people who don't can do good.
Both can also do bad, so what's the point?
I think no one can deny people who believe in God and people who don't can do good.
Both can also do bad, so what's the point?
crotalus667: (fixed some typos ) for the recored that is based on a report produced by the us goverment (2004/5 iirc)
galrads: Never heard of the report you mention. Federal/State/Local?
Federal , galrads: Can you provide more info to verify these facts?
the repory is well knowen if you google it , it should be pretty easy to find , it is also quoted in the god delusion if you care to look it upgalrads: I think no one can deny people who believe in God and people who don't can do good.
Both can also do bad, so what's the point?
The point is that some one posted what boils down to “you need to believe in god to be good” when clearly that is not the case if fact it would appear that statistically a belief in god means you are more likely to be incarcerated Both can also do bad, so what's the point?
I'm off to be
crotalus667: Federal , the repory is well knowen if you google it , it should be pretty easy to find , it is also quoted in the god delusion if you care to look it upThe point is that some one posted what boils down to “you need to believe in god to be good” when clearly that is not the case if fact it would appear that statistically a belief in god means you are more likely to be incarcerated
I'm off to be
I'm off to be
Cite your sources with links please. Otherwise all you are offering are poorly spelled claims.
rohaan: Years ago I heard this conversation at a fundamentalist church. Thought it might be interesting to throw it into the mix, after reading some of the remarks. It is intended to add a spark of mirth to this otherwise tedious banter! "Hey, I'm Dave". How long have you been coming to church here"?
"Started about three weeks ago. Name's Frank". (men shake).
"How do you like the pastor"? asked the newcomer.
"Oh, he's all right, I guess. Got a long way to go, though. I wish he would put some kind of a leash on his wife, though".
"What do you mean"?, newcomer asked, startled.
"Just look at her. Too much make-up. And her neckline plunges so far down it leaves nothing to the imagination. If I didn't know she was the preacher's wife, I'd bet a month's salary she was, well, I won't say it. And the goofy broad laughs like a hyena".
(A family walks past the two men). "I talked with them a little earlier", the newcomer said.
"Be careful about that. They're not what they seem. All nicey-nice, but they'll stab you in the back. Any little reason. Besides, they're too legalistic. They think they're really hot stuff. Burns me up".
"Have you gone to any other churches in town"? the newcomer asked.
"Absolutely not!" Besides, if it ain't broke, why fix it? I love it here!"
Now, brothers and sisters, do you all understand why there is such difficulty in our church communities? This sort of thing goes on ALL the time. People professing to love one another and being as hateful as hell. It doesn't jive.
"Started about three weeks ago. Name's Frank". (men shake).
"How do you like the pastor"? asked the newcomer.
"Oh, he's all right, I guess. Got a long way to go, though. I wish he would put some kind of a leash on his wife, though".
"What do you mean"?, newcomer asked, startled.
"Just look at her. Too much make-up. And her neckline plunges so far down it leaves nothing to the imagination. If I didn't know she was the preacher's wife, I'd bet a month's salary she was, well, I won't say it. And the goofy broad laughs like a hyena".
(A family walks past the two men). "I talked with them a little earlier", the newcomer said.
"Be careful about that. They're not what they seem. All nicey-nice, but they'll stab you in the back. Any little reason. Besides, they're too legalistic. They think they're really hot stuff. Burns me up".
"Have you gone to any other churches in town"? the newcomer asked.
"Absolutely not!" Besides, if it ain't broke, why fix it? I love it here!"
Now, brothers and sisters, do you all understand why there is such difficulty in our church communities? This sort of thing goes on ALL the time. People professing to love one another and being as hateful as hell. It doesn't jive.
A pipe organ and stained glass don't make a Church although plenty of people seem to think they do.
The people in the Church are the Church. There is more to believing than nodding when the Pastor says something. You are supposed to live the belief system not just memorize it.
If you are going to be hating everyone that does not agree with you then you might just as well be on line all day posting to threads on CS like this one.
For people who do not even believe in God'You people sure do make a huge effort to make fun,and jokes,and sly remarks.So if you dont believe then why debate it?
conjor: For people who do not even believe in God'You people sure do make a huge effort to make fun,and jokes,and sly remarks.So if you dont believe then why debate it?
I think alot of the people here who say they are atheists are actually agnostics and it bugs them that they can not figure things out, there is no scientific proof God does not exist, so they "feel" he doesnt exist and throw any argument no matter how lame or ridiculous to make themselves feel better, but that feeling only lasts a short time, so they must come back and do it again.
elmoangel: I think alot of the people here who say they are atheists are actually agnostics and it bugs them that they can not figure things out, there is no scientific proof God does not exist, so they "feel" he doesnt exist and throw any argument no matter how lame or ridiculous to make themselves feel better, but that feeling only lasts a short time, so they must come back and do it again.
I am happy that I feel no need to argue any part of what I believe.
It is not my job to convince someone to think or believe as I do.
galrads: how do you take business away from a 100% "free" web site especially with no intent to profit and no profiting?
If you send people to Datingsites,other than have Ads here,or advertise your Business,without buying Ad-Space on CS!
katt1017: Cite your sources with links please. Otherwise all you are offering are poorly spelled claims.
I have posted it many times before , as have i posted the fact that i have a mildform of dislexiaconjor: For people who do not even believe in God'You people sure do make a huge effort to make fun,and jokes,and sly remarks.So if you dont believe then why debate it?
We debate it, because the intentional suspension
of rational thought is dangerous to yourselves
and the rest of us.
It's like you're driving drunk,
and we'd like you to stop.
Ocee35: We debate it, because the intentional suspension
of rational thought is dangerous to yourselves
and the rest of us.
It's like you're driving drunk,
and we'd like you to stop.
of rational thought is dangerous to yourselves
and the rest of us.
It's like you're driving drunk,
and we'd like you to stop.
theres a scripture that says .speak in the presence
of a scoffer he will hate you.
speak in the presence of awise man he will love you.
thank you for your coment
are you thinking of the deceiver type and like what happened at jonestown? wolves in sheeps attire....
royester24: theres a scripture that says .speak in the presence
of a scoffer he will hate you.
speak in the presence of awise man he will love you.
thank you for your coment
Hmmmm they predicted that what they wrote would be laughed at you may want to think about that . On a side note tell the followers that people will laugh at you and not understand because they do not have the same insight is cult brain washing 101of a scoffer he will hate you.
speak in the presence of awise man he will love you.
thank you for your coment
Goodness starts when we realize we are not good in ourselves.
Only those who need mercy and forgiveness can ever be merciful and forgiving themselves.
Only those who need mercy and forgiveness can ever be merciful and forgiving themselves.
RayfromUSA: Can you quote the source for that delerium?
The bible , i have read it cover to cover have you ???crotalus667: The bible , i have read it cover to cover have you ???
so has satan
crotalus667: The bible , i have read it cover to cover have you ???
What bible? and what specific verses?Iuchi_Zien: No If you assume that the time and place of Jesus's birth are roughly accurate he was almost certainly an observer of the Jewish faith.
Yes and no.
From Abraham to Christ "faith" never changed, but religion changed a lot.
Christ came at a point of transition.
The established religious order was still Temple worship as described in the laws of Moses, it was ritualistic, traditional and totally lacking in "spirit" except the spirit of conformity to tradition. It was overseen by an often corrupt and self-serving Levitical Priesthood and was supported by the traditional, not very religious sect called the saducees.
The rising religious power was the Pharisees. They could be compared to the Evangelicals and media evangelists of today.
They considered themselves to be more spiritually "knowlegable", largely on the basis of supposed esoteric knowledge of spiritual mysteries.
Jesus ignored the Saducees and consigned the Pharisees to hell.
He was not impressed with "religion" at all. What he cared about was people's hearts. As he illustrated when he saw a poor woman place her mite (the smallest coin that existed) into the offering. It had nothing to do with supporting the religion, it was the woman's faith that counted. She gave everything she had to God.
Jesus was hated by both of the major sects of his day. And the council that plotted to condemn him to death was composed of both sects.
If Jesus were here today, the church people would crucify Him.
But the humble sinners who realized they were sinners would love him.
I don't think doing right by someone or doing good deeds out of the goodness of ones heart has/should have anything to do with religion.
It's what he thought was the good deed when he chose to help the starving children instead of seeing to his own needs.I call that being a good person no matter of the religion.
It's what he thought was the good deed when he chose to help the starving children instead of seeing to his own needs.I call that being a good person no matter of the religion.
crotalus667: The bible , i have read it cover to cover have you ???
Well then o sage, certainly you should be able to cite the passage in which you claim Jesus advocates atrocities.
RayfromUSA: Well then o sage, certainly you should be able to cite the passage in which you claim Jesus advocates atrocities.
ther are at least severel points in the NT where Jesus advocates the OT law which as we all know contains calls for atrocities ,somechick: I don't think doing right by someone or doing good deeds out of the goodness of ones heart has/should have anything to do with religion.
It's what he thought was the good deed when he chose to help the starving children instead of seeing to his own needs.I call that being a good person no matter of the religion.
It's what he thought was the good deed when he chose to help the starving children instead of seeing to his own needs.I call that being a good person no matter of the religion.
The "goodness of one's heart" is the touchy part.
Jesus said that when we do things our right hand shouldn't know what our left hand is doing.
If there is any motive of "show" (to impress others), or of self-righteous patting ourselves on the back for our "goodness" then our supposed "good deeds" just become vanity and (as He put it)
we already have our reward.
But what deeds we do in sincere loving humility, God will bless.
royester24: please show me that in the new testament is this the same jesus
who spoke of grace.forgiveness mercy.love and peace what on earth are what on earth are you saying.
you really need to read the bible , as for love ect he talks about most of it is directed at his fellow jews only who spoke of grace.forgiveness mercy.love and peace what on earth are what on earth are you saying.
here is mt prefered excampel
Matthew 5:18-19 (New International Version)
18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
crotalus667: ther are at least severel points in the NT where Jesus advocates the OT law which as we all know contains calls for atrocities ,
Could you be a little more specific as to what exactly you think He said?
In my Bible Jesus often contradicted Moses, saying "Moses told you this, but I say....."
He said that he didn't come to "destroy" the law, but to fulfill it. And both He and Paul explained that fulfilling the law meant the end of the law. Just as when someone's obligation of indentured servitude is fulfilled, they are no longer under any debt.
The basic principal of Christianity is that when one has the spirit of Christ living within them, they no longer have to be bound by the letter of the law.
A comparison would be a horse and rider. The rider can dominate the horse with a bit and bridle and riding crop, OR the horse and rider can know and love each other so well that there is no need for anything other than the contact of their bodies. The horse is voluntarily sensitive to the slightest nudge.
We're going to be ridden one way or the other, but we'll only find any joy in it if we yield willingly trusting that the master knows best.
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