A good man? (610)
crotalus667: Was that ment to be an insult ??? If so you should know that i do not find it insulting I do however find it very typical of christin in tolerance
No, it's not an insult. As you know, "Crotalus" means "rattlesnake".
Certainly you knew that when you chose the name, didn't you?
Congratulations you have just proven the bible the allegedly infallible word of/ inspired by god contradicts it’s self . And as mentioned before the love thy neighbour bit refers other jews only
That's your doctrine not Christ's.
Why do you think Jesus told the parable of the good Samaritan?
It was to try to show the Jews that ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with God's judgement.
It's only what's in the heart that counts.
A good (compassionate) Samaritan is better than an insensitive uncaring Jew.
And vice versa.
Conrad73: Oh Damn!
Don't worry, it's just a temporary glitch.
We'll get it straightened out.
RayfromUSA:
It's only what's in the heart that counts.
A good (compassionate) Samaritan is better than an insensitive uncaring Jew.
And vice versa.
It's only what's in the heart that counts.
A good (compassionate) Samaritan is better than an insensitive uncaring Jew.
And vice versa.
if the "insensitive uncaring Jew" believed in God and the "good" Samaritan did not who enters Heaven?
its too bad they could just let you breath fire on all enemies foriegn and domestic[/quote
Are those two rogue rabbis still chasing you?
Are those two rogue rabbis still chasing you?
theoldestdear: if the "insensitive uncaring Jew" believed in God and the "good" Samaritan did not who enters Heaven?
Yayyyy! Back on topic FINALLY!!!!
Iuchi_Zien: Yayyyy! Back on topic FINALLY!!!!
i try
Veritaas: About sums alot up around here!
Daffinitely!you are doing Good things because you believe in Buddh.
Buddh is guiding you to do good things ,right ?
Buddh is guiding you to do good things ,right ?
Iuchi_Zien:
I don't agree, I don't believe in God yet I'm happy to do good things, not for the praise but simply because I feel better for doing them. If you are saying that is God, then I suspect that heaven is going to be inhabited by a lot of VERY unhappy Buddhists.
Oh, and how come I get the same feeling when I get revenge on somebody who has really ticked me off? Is that God as well?
I don't agree, I don't believe in God yet I'm happy to do good things, not for the praise but simply because I feel better for doing them. If you are saying that is God, then I suspect that heaven is going to be inhabited by a lot of VERY unhappy Buddhists.
Oh, and how come I get the same feeling when I get revenge on somebody who has really ticked me off? Is that God as well?
Moo_hersi: you are doing Good things because you believe in Buddh.
Buddh is guiding you to do good things ,right ?
Buddh is guiding you to do good things ,right ?
Sorry, an attempt at humour. I'm an agnostic and I do good things because I want to, not because god wants me to, or because it is expected of me. If very big IF there is a heaven do you really think god cares whether you prayed to him or not? If you believe god is omnipotent don't you think he can see WHY you did something and don't you think that will count a lot more than going to church and being a 'devout' but selfish christian?
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
-- Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics
-- Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics
Iuchi_Zien: A man wins the lottery, (doesn't matter which one or how much) then decides that he couldn't live with himself if he was rich while children were starving to death so he goes to (a random) country and invests his fortune in producing food. He uses the food to make sure no child in that country EVER has to go to bed without a full stomach. Eventually he dies goes before the gates of heaven and says "I never believed in god, but I lived my life according to what I believed was good, I have done everything I could do to help my fellow man, I am a good man"
QUESTION
Is god going to let him into heaven?
QUESTION
Is god going to let him into heaven?
So what is the muslim view on this?
Iuchi_Zien: Sorry, an attempt at humour. I'm an agnostic and I do good things because I want to, not because god wants me to, or because it is expected of me. If very big IF there is a heaven do you really think god cares whether you prayed to him or not? If you believe god is omnipotent don't you think he can see WHY you did something and don't you think that will count a lot more than going to church and being a 'devout' but selfish christian?
first you said you follow Buddh and now you said you are an agnostic .that mean you understan my what in my mind .thats all i want it.
saying that you agnostic is your choice .
RayfromUSA:
That's your doctrine not Christ's..
That's your doctrine not Christ's..
Again you need to read the bible
RayfromUSA: Why do you think Jesus told the parable of the good Samaritan?
It was to try to show the Jews that ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with God's judgement.
It's only what's in the heart that counts.
A good (compassionate) Samaritan is better than an insensitive uncaring Jew.
And vice versa.
you need to do your research better ,It was to try to show the Jews that ethnicity has nothing whatsoever to do with God's judgement.
It's only what's in the heart that counts.
A good (compassionate) Samaritan is better than an insensitive uncaring Jew.
And vice versa.
Samaritan's 2000 years ago were jewish (a slight break off sect to be precise,)
Moo_hersi: first you said you follow Buddh and now you said you are an agnostic .that mean you understan my what in my mind .thats all i want it.
saying that you agnostic is your choice .
saying that you agnostic is your choice .
No, I am not, nor ever have been a Buddhist. I have, pretty much always been an agnostic It was an attempt at humour since of all the people in the world the people MOST likely to do good for goods sake are Buddhists (so as to improve their Kharma) and imagine how upset they are going to be if they find that they don't get re-incarnated! Sorry if my humour confused you.
crotalus667: Again you need to read the bible
you need to do your research better ,
Samaritan's 2000 years ago were jewish (a slight break off sect to be precise,)
you need to do your research better ,
Samaritan's 2000 years ago were jewish (a slight break off sect to be precise,)
Possibly a more relevant question is, would the 'Jews' who walked past the injured man find themselves in Heaven?
Iuchi_Zien: Possibly a more relevant question is, would the 'Jews' who walked past the injured man find themselves in Heaven?
No because at the end of the day we all know the mormans are right 
crotalus667: No because at the end of the day we all know the mormans are right
Is it the mormons or the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe there are a fixed number of places in heaven? One of them came round and I've never seen someone squirm so much in my life when I started asking awkward questions, I can't remember EVER having so much fun hearing someone try to justify the impossible (Of course he could be right and when I pop my clogs, he'll be stood there laughing his cotton socks off)
Iuchi_Zien: Is it the mormons or the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe there are a fixed number of places in heaven? One of them came round and I've never seen someone squirm so much in my life when I started asking awkward questions, I can't remember EVER having so much fun hearing someone try to justify the impossible (Of course he could be right and when I pop my clogs, he'll be stood there laughing his cotton socks off)
in all fairness they hardly ever get anyone to talk to them so the poor fellas where probably in shock that you where even talking to themcrotalus667: in all fairness they hardly ever get anyone to talk to them so the poor fellas where probably in shock that you where even talking to them
lord i think we have finalysilence them. as job would say i thought there long winded speaches
would never end.praise the lord.
aaaa i should really read back threw all the posts in these threads and to think i almost missed this gem of a brain fart
phi·los·o·phy 1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.
3. a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.
4. the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
5. a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.
6. a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.
RayfromUSA: I totally deny the truth of that statements..
you can deny the truth of the earth being round but that does not change the shape of the earth RayfromUSA: Philosophy is just religion without a clear diety...
phi·los·o·phy 1. the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
2. any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.
3. a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.
4. the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
5. a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.
6. a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.
RayfromUSA: And without a god, man himself becomes the supreme intellect.
So pilosophy leads to self worship.
And self worship leads to insanity..
you base this on ???So pilosophy leads to self worship.
And self worship leads to insanity..
RayfromUSA: Stalin had a philosophy.
Charles Manson had a philosophy.
Obama has a philosophy.
everyone has a philosophy that does not make every one a philospherCharles Manson had a philosophy.
Obama has a philosophy.
crotalus667: I have posted it many times before
Not under this identity on this site. It seems I saw you make the same questionable claim under the "crotalus_p" identity though) I put on the high boots and waded through 16 pages of your posts and the closest thing I could find was a link to Richard Dawkins self praise website re: the "JUST 2 QUESTIONS" thread.
The posts and threads for your "crotalus_p" identity were deleted along with the identity. Did you delete them or did CS?
Searching both identities on line shows that you seem to spend a great deal of your time on line. I can't justify spending the next two weeks digging through your thousands of internet ramblings to look for a post that in all odds does not exist. I have better things to do with my life.
crotalus667: as have i posted the fact that i have a mildform of dislexia
I have stated that I have dyslexia as well. Spell check still works on my computer (including the web browser) though. I still mess up posts but that is my fault for not being careful enough when I am fully aware of my dyslexia.
katt1017: Not under this identity on this site. It seems I saw you make the same questionable claim under the "crotalus_p" identity though) I put on the high boots and waded through 16 pages of your posts and the closest thing I could find was a link to Richard Dawkins self praise website re: the "JUST 2 QUESTIONS" thread.
The posts and threads for your "crotalus_p" identity were deleted along with the identity. Did you delete them or did CS?
Searching both identities on line shows that you seem to spend a great deal of your time on line. I can't justify spending the next two weeks digging through your thousands of internet ramblings to look for a post that in all odds does not exist. I have better things to do with my life.
I have stated that I have dyslexia as well. Spell check still works on my computer (including the web browser) though. I still mess up posts but that is my fault for not being careful enough when I am fully aware of my dyslexia.
The posts and threads for your "crotalus_p" identity were deleted along with the identity. Did you delete them or did CS?
Searching both identities on line shows that you seem to spend a great deal of your time on line. I can't justify spending the next two weeks digging through your thousands of internet ramblings to look for a post that in all odds does not exist. I have better things to do with my life.
I have stated that I have dyslexia as well. Spell check still works on my computer (including the web browser) though. I still mess up posts but that is my fault for not being careful enough when I am fully aware of my dyslexia.
And the relevance to the question asked by this thread is....?
Anyone would think some Christians were deliberately trying to de-rail the thread from the questions asked? That SURELY couldn't be the case could it?
So come on what is heaven and hell, for good and evil? worshippers of God (and if so which ones?) and non-believers?
katt1017: I can't justify spending the next two weeks digging through your thousands of internet ramblings to look for a post that in all odds does not exist. I have better things to do with my life.
.
then spend the next 5 mins learning to crossreference using google.
Iuchi_Zien: And the relevance to the question asked by this thread is....?
Anyone would think some Christians were deliberately trying to de-rail the thread from the questions asked? That SURELY couldn't be the case could it?
So come on what is heaven and hell, for good and evil? worshippers of God (and if so which ones?) and non-believers?
Anyone would think some Christians were deliberately trying to de-rail the thread from the questions asked? That SURELY couldn't be the case could it?
So come on what is heaven and hell, for good and evil? worshippers of God (and if so which ones?) and non-believers?
the GOD i believe in is a mercyfull and compassionate.every one will get asecond chance. little children do not go to hell .a good man will be judged on how he lived his life on earth and has more chance of getting in to heaven than a muderer who fails to repent/in the end we are all sinners'there is ascripture that says
all who call on the name of the lord will be saved no matter what sin comited. we cannot but god in to abox for it says i will have compassion on whome i have compassion;all christians will go to heaven because we have acepted jesus as our savior.but all muderers liars the vileif the fail torepent for the sins will not enter eternal life. as the scripture says thoes who have shown mercy to there fellow man will recieve mercy. so we seek the lord while he is found and he is near .because today is the day of our salvation.G
god is love. and only whe the world comes to know our god of love
will the wounded heart of humanity be healed.
Iuchi_Zien: EXACTLY! Doesn't it make a mockery of heaven and hell that a person who helps hundreds, thousands is consigned to hell while a Christian who has only ever helped himself and, maybe, those few around him is rewarded with heaven? If Mother Teresa had been an Muslim/Hindu/Agnostic/whatever, even aethiest! do you think God would have judged that as more important than all the good works she had done?
If she would not be Christian, true Catholics would probably burn her at the stake - - -
OK you say a good man has more chance than an unrepentant murderer, what about a repentant Christian murderer, where does he stand? Like I have said on your death bed everybody is going to be genuinely repentant! You say you cannot put God in a box, isn't that what the bible does? Doesn't it act as a limitation upon what God can or can't do? and if it doesn't then what use is it? If God is going to be making decisions on the spur of the moment, not based on a 2000 year old book what possible use can it be. Can we argue "You might think it is wrong now but it said it was OK in the bible and you haven't updated it for 2000 years"?
54xmax: If she would not be Christian, true Catholics would probably burn her at the stake - - -
I don't agree with that but I suspect if she had been a Hindu/Buddhist/any religion other than Christian we would never have heard of her.
Iuchi_Zien: I don't agree with that but I suspect if she had been a Hindu/Buddhist/any religion other than Christian we would never have heard of her.
Couple of hundred years ago, for sure they would burn her, today we just would not hear about her - - - -
Iuchi_Zien: Torn to shreads for voicing an opinion, surely not! But, yes I believe you're right, which brings me back to the good Samaritan parable, doesn't Jesus suggest that being a good man is more important than being a bad Christian? Or did I just completely mis-understand the whole idea behind that parable.
you self righteous hypocrite.....voicing an opinion your funny.
any one says anything that does not meet with your ways you shoot them down.
believe what you like but dont try and convert overs to think what you think.
lots of love xxx......your new mate
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Hey we agree on something.