A good man? (610)
54xmax: Crap, then I am Evil, cos I THINK
If you were foolish enough to join some religious sects yes.
54xmax:
So I think, you took things out of context, cos I clearly stated, that I DON'T Believe, ALL are like that - - - -
So I think, you took things out of context, cos I clearly stated, that I DON'T Believe, ALL are like that - - - -
Yes I am well aware you are a non-believer, and if you think I took some of your comments out of context, there was no intention to do that. I agree with everything you have highlighted in green but disagree with some of the rest of your post, leave it at that?
Because it is heading off topic again.
Iuchi_Zien: If you were foolish enough to join some religious sects yes.
Yes I am well aware you are a non-believer, and if you think I took some of your comments out of context, there was no intention to do that. I agree with everything you have highlighted in green but disagree with some of the rest of your post, leave it at that? Because it is heading off topic again.
Yes I am well aware you are a non-believer, and if you think I took some of your comments out of context, there was no intention to do that. I agree with everything you have highlighted in green but disagree with some of the rest of your post, leave it at that? Because it is heading off topic again.
Ok Let's leave it at that, bottom line is that we agree that we can not agree on everything, but that does not mean, that we can't respect each others opinion
Iuchi_Zien: I don't think the Catholic church is intrinsically bad, the problem is power corrupts and no amount of belief is going to prevent that. In ANY organised religion people who are able to manipulate others to gain power will do so, and the doctrine of don't ask questions just makes it easier for the scum to rise to the top. The organised religion then finds itself trying to justify the unjustifiable because the people at the top rose there not because of their faith but because they were the best at manipulation.
the catholic church is one if not the wealtest instution in the world full of treasures and richs wth shares in some of the bigest
corparations in the world. which goes against the very teachings of jesus as jesus said you cannot love both god and money and do not gather treasures upon earth but let your treasure be in heaven because where your treasure is your heart will be there allso
jesus was never against money or prople be rich .he was against
all sorts of greed. they do not pratice what they preech they talk but they do not do the walk they cling to this insitution with all there might suit them better to give all there money to the poor
sorry if i have offened catholics.but icall it as i see it
it saddens me because i am a christian believer in jesus,
54xmax: Ok Let's leave it at that, bottom line is that we agree that we can not agree on everything, but that does not mean, that we can't respect each others opinion
Exactly, (But I'm right and you're wrong!
)royester24: the catholic church is one if not the wealtest instution in the world full of treasures and richs wth shares in some of the bigest
corparations in the world. which goes against the very teachings of jesus as jesus said you cannot love both god and money and do not gather treasures upon earth but let your treasure be in heaven because where your treasure is your heart will be there allso
jesus was never against money or prople be rich .he was against
all sorts of greed. they do not pratice what they preech they talk but they do not do the walk they cling to this insitution with all there might suit them better to give all there money to the poor
sorry if i have offened catholics.but icall it as i see it
it saddens me because i am a christian believer in jesus,
corparations in the world. which goes against the very teachings of jesus as jesus said you cannot love both god and money and do not gather treasures upon earth but let your treasure be in heaven because where your treasure is your heart will be there allso
jesus was never against money or prople be rich .he was against
all sorts of greed. they do not pratice what they preech they talk but they do not do the walk they cling to this insitution with all there might suit them better to give all there money to the poor
sorry if i have offened catholics.but icall it as i see it
it saddens me because i am a christian believer in jesus,
I will burst your bubble now, but you are not a Christian you are a good man, with faith in god, and Jesus You are by biblical and Vatican definition a HERETIC, and in the old days you'd be probably burned at the stake together with me
54xmax: I will burst your bubble now, but you are not a Christian you are a good man, with faith in god, and Jesus You are by biblical and Vatican definition a HERETIC, and in the old days you'd be probably burned at the stake together with me
yes 54xmax i would like many believers in jesus be burnedat
the stake
this line is for the non believers.......you can bring a horse to a well but you can make him drink
pedro27: this line is for the non believers.......you can bring a horse to a well but you can't make him drink
left out the ''T''
tainogirl: Do you believe that simple 'repentance' is all that is supposed to get you a foot in the door. So you repent today and go do some evil crap tomorrow and then go repent again or better yet you repent but your heart is still as black as it ever was? Or you try to do some quickie repentance when you see the chariots coming for you. It aint that hard to spot a fake.
But then I'm dealing with a believer. On the other hand you have the non-believer who decides he's gonna do some good works, what does he expect? He doesn't believe in God so the concept of heaven and hell and all that wouldn't be a concern for him. For all he knows when you're dead you're done. So setting it up where a non believer is 'turned away' from something he never believed in anyway what's that supposed to prove? It shouldn't matter if he was rejected since he didn't believe in the first place.
But then I'm dealing with a believer. On the other hand you have the non-believer who decides he's gonna do some good works, what does he expect? He doesn't believe in God so the concept of heaven and hell and all that wouldn't be a concern for him. For all he knows when you're dead you're done. So setting it up where a non believer is 'turned away' from something he never believed in anyway what's that supposed to prove? It shouldn't matter if he was rejected since he didn't believe in the first place.
No, If we are to take the bible at its word we don't have to repent for anything until we die, after all if we repented earlier then that we could be accused of hypocrisy. I suspect if you are a Christian faced with hell on your death bed you are going to be truly repentant! I'm sure Saddam REALLY wished he hadn't been responsible for all those murders while the noose was going round his neck!
Are you saying that heaven and hell are ONLY for Christians? If so where does the rest of the world go? and doesn't the bible contradict that?
pedro27: this line is for the non believers.......you can bring a horse to a well but you can make him drink
Out of curiosity if the horse doesn't realize the well contains water who is at fault? the horse or the idiot who is leading the horse?
Iuchi_Zien: No, If we are to take the bible at its word we don't have to repent for anything until we die, after all if we repented earlier then that we could be accused of hypocrisy. I suspect if you are a Christian faced with hell on your death bed you are going to be truly repentant! I'm sure Saddam REALLY wished he hadn't been responsible for all those murders while the noose was going round his neck!
Are you saying that heaven and hell are ONLY for Christians? If so where does the rest of the world go? and doesn't the bible contradict that?
Are you saying that heaven and hell are ONLY for Christians? If so where does the rest of the world go? and doesn't the bible contradict that?
looks to me that Benedict XVI seems to think that your "good man" may have a chance
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
theoldestdear: looks to me that Benedict XVI seems to think that your "good man" may have a chance
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
Date: 2005-11-30
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.
Well if he says that, then it must be true
Now I will sleep easier, knowing I will not end up in hell Iuchi_Zien: Out of curiosity if the horse doesn't realize the well contains water who is at fault? the horse or the idiot who is leading the horse?
ITS THE SAME AS YOU HAVE SEEN THE PROFF BUT STILL NOT BELIEVE
54xmax: Well if he says that, then it must be true Now I will sleep easier, knowing I will not end up in hell
From what I've heard Pope Benedict might just make an exception for you!
THE PLATTERS--SMOKE GET IN YOUR EYES........ITS A SONG
pedro27: ITS THE SAME AS YOU HAVE SEEN THE PROFF BUT STILL NOT BELIEVE
That's not an answer. Who is at fault the horse or the owner? Do you believe ignorance is a sin? or is holding back knowledge a sin?
If it is so obvious for people with faith that God is real why do they seem to do such a poor job of passing that knowledge on? Is the fault of ignorance with the student who doesn't understand or the tutor who has failed to make the student understand?
Sigh! heading off topic again!!
Iuchi_Zien: No, If we are to take the bible at its word we don't have to repent for anything until we die, after all if we repented earlier then that we could be accused of hypocrisy. I suspect if you are a Christian faced with hell on your death bed you are going to be truly repentant! I'm sure Saddam REALLY wished he hadn't been responsible for all those murders while the noose was going round his neck!
Are you saying that heaven and hell are ONLY for Christians? If so where does the rest of the world go? and doesn't the bible contradict that?
Are you saying that heaven and hell are ONLY for Christians? If so where does the rest of the world go? and doesn't the bible contradict that?
Ever hear of a little thing called interpretation. Two people read something and come away with two totally different ideas about what they've read? Yeah it happens. I know it does cause I've never heard that you could only repent on your death bed. Sure you can be repentant on your deathbed - but does that mean that you get a 'free pass inside'? Well since neither you or I have been over to see what happens we don't really know do we? But sure enough one day I'm sure we will one way or the other. I'm don't know if Saddam was sorry for anything other than the fact that his time in this world was up.
And for the last time no I never said that heaven or hell was only for Christians, you seem awfully concerned for someone who doesn't believe. Where does the rest of the world go? How the heck should I know? Am I God? I don't know maybe they go out for a burger and a shake. You're the theology expert here.
See now you've gone and gotten my mockery glands raised up. Sheesh, now I've got to wait till I croak so I can repent!
Iuchi_Zien: Me! I'll be down there so quick Pope Benedict won't have a chance to get a word out!!! I'll sharpen my pitchfork JUST FOR YOU!!
Like i am scared now
I'll take them away from you and stick it in you where the sun does not shine 
Iuchi_Zien: That's not an answer. Who is at fault the horse or the owner? Do you believe ignorance is a sin? or is holding back knowledge a sin?
If it is so obvious for people with faith that God is real why do they seem to do such a poor job of passing that knowledge on? Is the fault of ignorance with the student who doesn't understand or the tutor who has failed to make the student understand?
Sigh! heading off topic again!!
If it is so obvious for people with faith that God is real why do they seem to do such a poor job of passing that knowledge on? Is the fault of ignorance with the student who doesn't understand or the tutor who has failed to make the student understand?
Sigh! heading off topic again!!
ROBSON AND JEROME--I BELIEVE....ITS A SONG
pedro27: this line is for the non believers.......you can bring a horse to a well but you can make him drink
so
does this mean "you can bring a non believer to God but you can make him believe?
remember a horse, unlike a human, would only drink if there was water and it was thirsty (only humans drink to excess)
If a you were to show God to a non-believer and they still did not believe who would be at fault? you (for not providing sufficient evidence), God for not appearing to the non-believer or the non-believer for not seeing?
tainogirl: Ever hear of a little thing called interpretation. Two people read something and come away with two totally different ideas about what they've read? Yeah it happens. I know it does cause I've never heard that you could only repent on your death bed. Sure you can be repentant on your deathbed - but does that mean that you get a 'free pass inside'? Well since neither you or I have been over to see what happens we don't really know do we? But sure enough one day I'm sure we will one way or the other. I'm don't know if Saddam was sorry for anything other than the fact that his time in this world was up.
And for the last time no I never said that heaven or hell was only for Christians, you seem awfully concerned for someone who doesn't believe. Where does the rest of the world go? How the heck should I know? Am I God? I don't know maybe they go out for a burger and a shake. You're the theology expert here.
See now you've gone and gotten my mockery glands raised up. Sheesh, now I've got to wait till I croak so I can repent!
And for the last time no I never said that heaven or hell was only for Christians, you seem awfully concerned for someone who doesn't believe. Where does the rest of the world go? How the heck should I know? Am I God? I don't know maybe they go out for a burger and a shake. You're the theology expert here.
See now you've gone and gotten my mockery glands raised up. Sheesh, now I've got to wait till I croak so I can repent!
No you can repent now but if you are TRULY repentant then you should never commit that sin again or risk being guilty of 'fraudulent' repentance (sure there's a space in Hell for people who do that, or maybe that's just the Catholics).
Exactly, ten people could read the bible and come away with fifteen different interpretations! So who's right? If the bible is the book that Christians are supposed to live their life by you would have thought it might have been made a little clearer? I mean if various Popes are struggling to understand it, what chance does your average bod in the street stand?
And just to clear this up :
A Christian (who is genuinely repentful) = Heaven
A good man (who is NOT Christian) = Hell
The rest of the non-Christian world = Hell
Yes? No? Maybe?
theoldestdear: so
does this mean "you can bring a non believer to God but you can make him believe?
remember a horse, unlike a human, would only drink if there was water and it was thirsty (only humans drink to excess)
If a you were to show God to a non-believer and they still did not believe who would be at fault? you (for not providing sufficient evidence), God for not appearing to the non-believer or the non-believer for not seeing?
does this mean "you can bring a non believer to God but you can make him believe?
remember a horse, unlike a human, would only drink if there was water and it was thirsty (only humans drink to excess)
If a you were to show God to a non-believer and they still did not believe who would be at fault? you (for not providing sufficient evidence), God for not appearing to the non-believer or the non-believer for not seeing?
I SEEN THE DEVIL THATS WHY I BELIEVE IN GOD....
pedro27: I SEEN THE DEVIL THATS WHY I BELIEVE IN GOD....
So a Christian needs to show us the devil before we believe?
Now THAT IS SCARY!!!
pedro27: I SEEN THE DEVIL THATS WHY I BELIEVE IN GOD....
You were married or one of your exes
pedro27: I SEEN THE DEVIL THATS WHY I BELIEVE IN GOD....
so have you actually met God or do you presume his existence based on your experience?
Iuchi_Zien: Somebody spiked your drink, methinks! Interesting idea though, Christians going around spiking drinks to increase their numbers?
plus an angel saved my life
pedro27: plus an angel saved my life
So it took all that to convert you and yet you expect to convert us with simple words?
54xmax: What happened to you, that you even ended up in the ambulance ?
they call it pyshcosis....pyshc means soul and sis means state in greek....soul state
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