A good man? (610)
So the implication of that is that doing good is important. Why? If the only entry requirement for heaven is membership of the Christian faith, why is Jesus saying that doing good is important. Heaven and Hell are supposed to be about good and evil, how can somebody who does good things with his life be classed as evil? Are we all condemned as evil SIMPLY because we do not believe in God?[/quote ]We are all evil by nature born into sin because of Adam and Eve we all fall short of the glory of God
and to get back to that nature of God in us accepting his nature and allowing his spirit to rule us it is not wrong to do good for you reap what you sow and of course it is important if not for that reason along the good that you do comes back to you the wrong that you do comes back to you it is for the good of mankind that we all get along and show good works to one another that is important dont you think ?
Heaven and Hell is about accepting and not accepting Jesus as savior that is all
the thief on the cross did not have to get down and go clean his life up to prove how good he could be all he did was asked Jesus to remember him when he came into his kingdom because he accepted Christ right there on that cross Jesus told him this day tho shalt be with me in Paradise
and to get back to that nature of God in us accepting his nature and allowing his spirit to rule us it is not wrong to do good for you reap what you sow and of course it is important if not for that reason along the good that you do comes back to you the wrong that you do comes back to you it is for the good of mankind that we all get along and show good works to one another that is important dont you think ?
Heaven and Hell is about accepting and not accepting Jesus as savior that is all
the thief on the cross did not have to get down and go clean his life up to prove how good he could be all he did was asked Jesus to remember him when he came into his kingdom because he accepted Christ right there on that cross Jesus told him this day tho shalt be with me in Paradise
Iuchi_Zien:
QUESTION
Is god going to let him into heaven?
QUESTION
Is god going to let him into heaven?
If he is refused admittance, the place isnt as cracked up to be as we've been led to believe.
Sorry about the double post page got stuck hit twice
rohaan: Let's suppose I am married to a wonderful woman. She keeps everything in excellent order; gives me backrubs; makes the most fantastic meals, praises me for working hard, accompanies me on camping/fishing trips, in short does good, nurturing things for me many times daily. Then one day she says, "I don't like you in the least. In fact, I don't love you. IN FACT, I don't believe you or believe in you". In spite of all of the beautiful things she has done, I am crushed. None of it matters if she feels that way about me. Does this answer it for you? please think about this...
So provided she says nothing everything will be alright? What kind of message does that send? Is she an evil or contemptable woman and worthy of hell SIMPLY because she spoke the truth (her truth). Is God so insecure that he must be loved to see the good in people?
Iuchi_Zien: Yes you did, but don't you see how it makes the choice of heaven and hell a mockery? Mother Teresa goes to heaven, a dead cert but if she had a double who did EXACTLY what Mother Teresa did but wasn't a Christian she goes to hell? I don't see justice? Do you? I mean do you honestly believe that a just God would allow that?
A just (judge)God punishes the sinner, of which we all are including mother Teresa who isn't in Heaven if she trusted in her works to save her. A merciful(judge) God provides a way to remain just but forgive the sinner. That was done through a perfect sacrifice (a man) named Jesus Christ. Only those who put their faith and trust in Him as their Saviour will be saved. That's the grace, mercy and love of God which is shown upon all, even Saul(Paul the apostle) who was a murderer. If you lie, you're a liar and that's a sin which makes you a sinner in the eyes of a perfect righteous God . Believe or don't, it is your God given choice to go to hell where we all belong or go to heaven which is a gift, not earned.
Iuchi_Zien: So provided she says nothing everything will be alright? What kind of message does that send? Is she an evil or contemptable woman and worthy of hell SIMPLY because she spoke the truth (her truth). Is God so insecure that he must be loved to see the good in people?
Just throwing out answers to your post-you seem to have a need to put words in our mouths and that's not cricket. Your post/thread began as valid and interesting, but your belligerence deteriorated my interest in having a good conversation. What you ask is fair enough, how you respond is inconsiderate. See ya.....MovinFWD: A just (judge)God punishes the sinner, of which we all are including mother Teresa who isn't in Heaven if she trusted in her works to save her. A merciful(judge) God provides a way to remain just but forgive the sinner. That was done through a perfect sacrifice (a man) named Jesus Christ. Only those who put their faith and trust in Him as their Saviour will be saved. That's the grace, mercy and love of God which is shown upon all, even Saul(Paul the apostle) who was a murderer. If you lie, you're a liar and that's a sin which makes you a sinner in the eyes of a perfect righteous God . Believe or don't, it is your God given choice to go to hell where we all belong or go to heaven which is a gift, not earned.
That's not Justice, that is arbitrariness. You are saying mercy and justice ONLY apply to Christians. So A man who saves a thousand lives simply because he believes, in his own heart, it is right will be sent to hell, whilst a sinner SIMPLY because he believes in God will go to heaven? Where is the justice? where is the mercy? How can that be right? Can you in all conscience justify that argument?
Iuchi_Zien: So provided she says nothing everything will be alright? What kind of message does that send? Is she an evil or contemptable woman and worthy of hell SIMPLY because she spoke the truth (her truth). Is God so insecure that he must be loved to see the good in people?
A really Great God,if he needs Humans to validate him!
rohaan: Just throwing out answers to your post-you seem to have a need to put words in our mouths and that's not cricket. Your post/thread began as valid and interesting, but your belligerence deteriorated my interest in having a good conversation. What you ask is fair enough, how you respond is inconsiderate. See ya.....
How am I putting words in your mouth? I have simply questioned what YOU chose as your answer. It's one of the things I find fascinating about religious discusion, the number of times when the questioning gets difficult and suddenly it becomes an insult, suddenly because I question your beliefs I'm insulting you. You have the choice to walk away and that doesn't bother me in the slightest, because I will still ask the questions you do not seem to want to answer.
Iuchi_Zien: That's not Justice, that is arbitrariness. You are saying mercy and justice ONLY apply to Christians. So A man who saves a thousand lives simply because he believes, in his own heart, it is right will be sent to hell, whilst a sinner SIMPLY because he believes in God will go to heaven? Where is the justice? where is the mercy? How can that be right? Can you in all conscience justify that argument?
Mercy and justice applies to all men You only become a Christian through being born again in the Spirit which happens when you realize your sins have separated you from God and you need to be saved. Many people call themselves Christain's and are not according to Gods word. A man who saves a thousand lives still has to give account for the things he did wrong also and that is imperfection before a perfect God. God judges you on all, not just parts of your life or only the good things which we are all expected to do anyways. We were created in His image but chose to go astray and sin. Whether it be lying, cheating, adultry, murder. Sin is sin.
MovinFWD: Mercy and justice applies to all men You only become a Christian through being born again in the Spirit which happens when you realize your sins have separated you from God and you need to be saved. Many people call themselves Christain's and are not according to Gods word. A man who saves a thousand lives still has to give account for the things he did wrong also and that is imperfection before a perfect God. God judges you on all, not just parts of your life or only the good things which we are all expected to do anyways. We were created in His image but chose to go astray and sin. Whether it be lying, cheating, adultry, murder. Sin is sin.
So a man (or woman) who has led a blameless life BUT is not a Christian will see heaven?
Nobody has an answer?
All paths will lead a person to heaven if there is such a place, you dont need to believe in god because he already believes in us, notting to do with creed or belief in any dietry all will see life after death because this is a natual process we live to die and rebirth comes to all, no one can tell us that jesus saves because nobody no's and just because its writen dont mean a thing. man and women will live after death its a process of learning in this life that makes us ready to live the next, not by works or belief we are here to learn noting more..
Iuchi_Zien: So a man (or woman) who has led a blameless life BUT is not a Christian will see heaven?
Your ears are plugged and your heart is hardened to the truth. Who has lived a blameless life other than Christ?
angel82: All paths will lead a person to heaven if there is such a place, you dont need to believe in god because he already believes in us, notting to do with creed or belief in any dietry all will see life after death because this is a natual process we live to die and rebirth comes to all, no one can tell us that jesus saves because nobody no's and just because its writen dont mean a thing. man and women will live after death its a process of learning in this life that makes us ready to live the next, not by works or belief we are here to learn noting more..
Now there's a radical idea!
MovinFWD: Mercy and justice applies to all men You only become a Christian through being born again in the Spirit which happens when you realize your sins have separated you from God and you need to be saved. Many people call themselves Christain's and are not according to Gods word. A man who saves a thousand lives still has to give account for the things he did wrong also and that is imperfection before a perfect God. God judges you on all, not just parts of your life or only the good things which we are all expected to do anyways. We were created in His image but chose to go astray and sin. Whether it be lying, cheating, adultry, murder. Sin is sin.
Could not have said it any better.. and don't know many who could have 
MovinFWD: Your ears are plugged and your heart is hardened to the truth. Who has lived a blameless life other than Christ?
Who's truth? Your truth? My truth? Are you saying that a one month old child has not led a blameless life? If not what could a child of that age possibly have done to be condemned to hell by God?
the problems with religons such as the christen one is that they dont see there regligon is only a few thousand years old, before ever jesus came we had a simple belief and that was to enjoy life, men used jesus for his own gain and inposed a hell and heaven on him mixing him up, there was a jesus he was a healer and preachd love thou he didnt die for us he was killed because he new the truth and that truth is that we are all born free and not into sin as they claim life isnt that hard to see we should enjoy it not inpose religous beliefs and dogmas on us, we are all gods and we create our own lifes, never mind what the bible says or any other book.. believe in your heart for that can only save you..no man no book but your self..
Iuchi_Zien: Who's truth? Your truth? My truth? Are you saying that a one month old child has not led a blameless life? If not what could a child of that age possibly have done to be condemned to hell by God?
Gods truth. A one month old child hasn't reached an awareness of right and wrong. Therefore that child would go to heaven. It still is by Gods grace though. But you and I when we reached an age where we knew the difference immediately chose to be disobedient and we knew what we were doing was wrong. Argue all you want with me, but you won't argue with God. His word is final.Iuchi_Zien: Who's truth? Your truth? My truth? Are you saying that a one month old child has not led a blameless life? If not what could a child of that age possibly have done to be condemned to hell by God?
all i will say there is no little children going to hell
because they have noy reached the age of acountability.also jesus said suffer the little children to come on to me.jesus is
love and compassion.
MovinFWD: Gods truth. A one month old child hasn't reached an awareness of right and wrong. Therefore that child would go to heaven. It still is by Gods grace though. But you and I when we reached an age where we knew the difference immediately chose to be disobedient and we knew what we were doing was wrong. Argue all you want with me, but you won't argue with God. His word is final.
What part of the bible are you basing this on ???royester24: all i will say there is no little children going to hell
because they have noy reached the age of acountability.also jesus said suffer the little children to come on to me.jesus is
love and compassion.
he also instructed the OT law should be fallowed including the part that tells you to stone you kids for talking backbecause they have noy reached the age of acountability.also jesus said suffer the little children to come on to me.jesus is
love and compassion.
MovinFWD: Gods truth. A one month old child hasn't reached an awareness of right and wrong. Therefore that child would go to heaven. It still is by Gods grace though. But you and I when we reached an age where we knew the difference immediately chose to be disobedient and we knew what we were doing was wrong. Argue all you want with me, but you won't argue with God. His word is final.
our word is final because we have freewill ill argue with god because if he is my father than i have every right to argue, doesnt god say test me in your books and doesnt jesus say love is above the law so therefore love covers over all sins therefore love is the law notin more noting less only love, you fail to see this..
crotalus667: he also instructed the OT law should be fallowed including the part that tells you to stone you kids for talking back
well you can believe in what jesus said or not which
is new testament i am not geting in to adebate about the issue
end off.
MovinFWD: Gods truth. A one month old child hasn't reached an awareness of right and wrong. Therefore that child would go to heaven. It still is by Gods grace though. But you and I when we reached an age where we knew the difference immediately chose to be disobedient and we knew what we were doing was wrong. Argue all you want with me, but you won't argue with God. His word is final.
If I'm to accept your argument, where in the bible does it say children under (whatever age) are subject to Gods grace? And isn't free will (the gift given to Adam when he left Paradise) all about arguing with God? Didn't God say "You have free will, it is up to you to choose to do right or wrong with it? (Paraphrased somewhat). Is it more important to be a devout Christian or a 'good man'?
royester24: well you can believe in what jesus said or not which
is new testament i am not geting in to adebate about the issue
end off.
you made the smart choice in not getting into a debate you can not win is new testament i am not geting in to adebate about the issue
end off.
crotalus667: you made the smart choice in not getting into a debate you can not win
Truth is within oneself, so there is no winner or loser, just ignorant and informed, and if you run away at the first questioning of your faith... I guess I know where you stand.
God would let him, don't fall for that stuff the holyrollas say.
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and to get back to that nature of God in us accepting his nature and allowing his spirit to rule us it is not wrong to do good for you reap what you sow and of course it is important if not for that reason along the good that you do comes back to you the wrong that you do comes back to you it is for the good of mankind that we all get along and show good works to one another that is important dont you think ?
Heaven and Hell is about accepting and not accepting Jesus as savior that is all
the thief on the cross did not have to get down and go clean his life up to prove how good he could be all he did was asked Jesus to remember him when he came into his kingdom because he accepted Christ right there on that cross Jesus told him this day tho shalt be with me in Paradise