What do you think about Marrige contract (51)
ooby_dooby: You misquoted. It goes like this:
What's yours is mine and whats mine is mine.
Seriously though, I would like to see a law in every state and province mandating a pre-nup as part of the marriage license. This would totally remove any hurt feelings and potential damage to a budding relationship and remove a very big burden from the courts. With a divorce rate around 50% it just makes sense to define "pre-marital assets" so that niether party can take the other to the cleaners.
This is a very important topic and a big departure from the normal crap I see filling this site lately.
What's yours is mine and whats mine is mine.
Seriously though, I would like to see a law in every state and province mandating a pre-nup as part of the marriage license. This would totally remove any hurt feelings and potential damage to a budding relationship and remove a very big burden from the courts. With a divorce rate around 50% it just makes sense to define "pre-marital assets" so that niether party can take the other to the cleaners.
This is a very important topic and a big departure from the normal crap I see filling this site lately.
agreed!
I sure as hell wouldn't get married again without one, But I also wouldn't let a gal move in without a sim. agreement.
I've just had too much of my stuff walk off to not protect myself.
But then I also have a living will and POA filled out.
For those that think I'm too tough about it, Let someone take everything you have and see how fast you change your tune!
I do agree what you have before the marriage should not be divided in case of a divorce, just what you gained during the marriage. Just the sound of it is what I do not like, it is like he would not trust me not to wipe him out. It is a good idea that it would be part of the marriage licience that way no one gets their feeling hurt.
I thought that what he had before the marriage you were not allowed to have anyway, that is what I was told when I got my divorce. My ex owned 3 farms plus the house in the city. I was only allowed half of the city house as the farms were only in his name and he had them when we met. W had bought a mobile home to put on one of the farms for me and the kids and I was not allowed part of it as it was part of the farm.
Jan1305: A pre-nup wasn't something I would have even understood when I got married many years ago and until relatively recently were for very wealthy people.
Nowadays it is becoming more common because people marry at an older age when they may have accumulated a little wealth.
Yes, people say it takes the romance out of a potential long-term relationship and I agree with that to some extent, but I can't avoid emotion as you requested in the OP Marina, I have a daughter in her late twenties who has a very well paid job, her own house and of late, seems only to meet users.
I would prefer that she protects her financial interests which she works and struggles hard for. Why should an unemployed man without a home take half of what my daughter has if it came to a divorce after a short time? I truly have no problem with her being with and loving a man in this unfortunate position, but I would mind if she lost what she has worked for and ended up alone and without her own home.
Nowadays it is becoming more common because people marry at an older age when they may have accumulated a little wealth.
Yes, people say it takes the romance out of a potential long-term relationship and I agree with that to some extent, but I can't avoid emotion as you requested in the OP Marina, I have a daughter in her late twenties who has a very well paid job, her own house and of late, seems only to meet users.
I would prefer that she protects her financial interests which she works and struggles hard for. Why should an unemployed man without a home take half of what my daughter has if it came to a divorce after a short time? I truly have no problem with her being with and loving a man in this unfortunate position, but I would mind if she lost what she has worked for and ended up alone and without her own home.
Absolutely!
Even if she finds someone who loves her dearly, his love for have nothing to do with her past achievements and wealth. I think it should stay that way during the marriage and afterworlds if it ends.
I dated a girl for 5 years who insisted on this sort of thing, but when my companies rolled big she got jealous and angry, after the break up I gave $12500. canadian to her to go and buy a car, she came back and threw it in my face, a year later she met some guy who she let use the car and he threw it in my face.... I left town
Konigsberg: Marriage contracts seem to be used more often in second marriages than in first, especially when there are children. That may be because people are more realistic the second time around, and also because they often have accumulated more wealth than they had the first time and are more anxious to protect it.
The advantage of an agreement is the certainty it gives about a couple’s rights and obligations, particularly concerning property and separation.
Do you believe that marrige contract may help the two of you RESPECT each other's RIGHTS so you avoid agruments that lead to trouble? What is your thoughts on that one?
Please, before you answer leave all emotions aside ... think rational. All right guys?
The advantage of an agreement is the certainty it gives about a couple’s rights and obligations, particularly concerning property and separation.
Do you believe that marrige contract may help the two of you RESPECT each other's RIGHTS so you avoid agruments that lead to trouble? What is your thoughts on that one?
Please, before you answer leave all emotions aside ... think rational. All right guys?
I had to really think about this one... cause the romantic in me does not want to make any concessions...
On a personal level I think they are a cynical indictment on the institution of marriage.. but on a practical level they can serve a useful purpose... as long as separation and divorce exist there is a place for them..
e.g they can be a useful aid to settlement and negotiation of terms..and save a lot of protracted hassle...
Don't like them, but have to reluctantly agree with their usefulness
:blue:
lusious.....why did I think you had a man???
Marriage forever??? Get serious!! two years is pushing it!! It's a nice thought....but I never have been a romantic!!
I would have to have something in place to protect my half of whatever we built together but just would never feel entitled to anything that was his before we met - especially since there would be no children involved, if there were, of course I would be protecting their interests as well as looking at things like providing for their education.
No.
Very good question.
I agree with delineated marriage contracts, noble woman.
I agree with delineated marriage contracts, noble woman.
In high school I had this cool economics teacher....
We all witnessed his emotions and grief at the close of his divorce. He used to make jokes about sometimes divorce being OK if you really weren't meant for each other. Which I do agree with! His grief was not for the loss of his wife, for he was in agreement to the divorce....His grief was because she got the house the car everything......It was incredible the toll it took on him he was a different man one day. He became bitter...
One day He came back to class after some time away (probably divorce related)....His opening statement to the class was this......
"OK guys I have a new economics concept for you to think about......"
"SAY "I DO".............DIVIDE BY TWO!!!!! GET A PRE-NUP GUYS LOVE CAN CHANGE!!!!!!"
My take is this.....leave with what you came with, split amicably and equally everything you bring in together!!!!
A pre-nup isn't a bad thing, it can protect both parties equally. Divorce isn't always friendly!!!!
My two cents........(they're mine!
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We all witnessed his emotions and grief at the close of his divorce. He used to make jokes about sometimes divorce being OK if you really weren't meant for each other. Which I do agree with! His grief was not for the loss of his wife, for he was in agreement to the divorce....His grief was because she got the house the car everything......It was incredible the toll it took on him he was a different man one day. He became bitter...
One day He came back to class after some time away (probably divorce related)....His opening statement to the class was this......
"OK guys I have a new economics concept for you to think about......"
"SAY "I DO".............DIVIDE BY TWO!!!!! GET A PRE-NUP GUYS LOVE CAN CHANGE!!!!!!"
My take is this.....leave with what you came with, split amicably and equally everything you bring in together!!!!
A pre-nup isn't a bad thing, it can protect both parties equally. Divorce isn't always friendly!!!!
My two cents........(they're mine!
)i think it is garbage for mostly it shows no trust besides how many of us have enough to actually need one of those if for marriage, not that will ever be in my future. so why not other relationships as well then could save trouble there to.
MusicEqualsLife: i think it is garbage for mostly it shows no trust besides how many of us have enough to actually need one of those if for marriage, not that will ever be in my future. so why not other relationships as well then could save trouble there to.
Do not agree with you. This type of contract is important. Only by such contract people can provide their and their children future and keep from money hunters. Besides, such contracts appeared more then 1200 years ago.
MusicEqualsLife: i think it is garbage for mostly it shows no trust besides how many of us have enough to actually need one of those if for marriage, not that will ever be in my future. so why not other relationships as well then could save trouble there to.
Hmmm ... That's perhaps the most common reason not to have one ... ( but later ... when/if it comes to a divorce their tearing their hairs,whining and moaning and being all
because someone who they were madly in Love leaves them almost naked on a street.) Let's be realistic.
___________________________________________________________________________________Very good post Jet .... i had no idea that those type of contracts were in existance for 1200 years
Marriage is to hard to make work these days. There was a time that divorce was unheard of. People did what they had to, they were in it for the long hall! Now divorce is so easy to get, it's easier to get divorced then to make things work. Now everyone wants contracts before they agree to marry.
When did marriage become a buisness transaction, and stop being about love and trust?
When did marriage become a buisness transaction, and stop being about love and trust?
Well I have had all three available marriage contracts - and none of them ended up fair, according to how they were worded. It gets more complicated than we think. Even lawyers couldn`t work it out.
It just boiled down to what the two of us agreed on sharing.
The Original Version: "In community of property" - where Everything is shared = the one who grabs and stashes the most before the divorce is thru wins.
The Antenuptial Contract: (where one having a business/property, is involved). Everything in you/their name belongs to that person. Pity the home-maker who just raises the children and doesn`t "own" anything.
Antenuptial Contract with Acrual: What is owned before the marriage is excluded from mutual sharing. This is the Complicated one the lawyers are bamboozled by - you get Consumer Price Index`s shoved under your nose and have to know how to use a Financial Calculator. The original worth of property is devalued, and what is left over is divided, except for what is in the name of the owner.
This one usually involves paying High Court costs or 3 days plus Advocate fees, in order for the Judge to decide, by which time there should be hardly anything left over to share anyway.
At the end of the day - the only agreement I have ever seen actually work well for both parties is an Ordinary Business Agreement, just like going into business together .... what you both are investing, and the sharing of profits after expenses ... but then you got to keep a Set of Books on the subject of your Life Together!
It just boiled down to what the two of us agreed on sharing.
The Original Version: "In community of property" - where Everything is shared = the one who grabs and stashes the most before the divorce is thru wins.
The Antenuptial Contract: (where one having a business/property, is involved). Everything in you/their name belongs to that person. Pity the home-maker who just raises the children and doesn`t "own" anything.
Antenuptial Contract with Acrual: What is owned before the marriage is excluded from mutual sharing. This is the Complicated one the lawyers are bamboozled by - you get Consumer Price Index`s shoved under your nose and have to know how to use a Financial Calculator. The original worth of property is devalued, and what is left over is divided, except for what is in the name of the owner.
This one usually involves paying High Court costs or 3 days plus Advocate fees, in order for the Judge to decide, by which time there should be hardly anything left over to share anyway.
At the end of the day - the only agreement I have ever seen actually work well for both parties is an Ordinary Business Agreement, just like going into business together .... what you both are investing, and the sharing of profits after expenses ... but then you got to keep a Set of Books on the subject of your Life Together!
For some is better to have real statements in a lawful contract, which ''guarantees'' their certainty in their uncertain life. 
Marriage IS a contract!!!
Divorce happens when the contract is broken
Divorce happens when the contract is brokenWhat's yours is mine and whats mine is mine.
No it goes like this:
What's yours is mine
What's mine is mine
and what's ours is more mine than it is yours
No it goes like this:
What's yours is mine
What's mine is mine
and what's ours is more mine than it is yours
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You misquoted. It goes like this:
What's yours is mine and whats mine is mine.
Seriously though, I would like to see a law in every state and province mandating a pre-nup as part of the marriage license. This would totally remove any hurt feelings and potential damage to a budding relationship and remove a very big burden from the courts. With a divorce rate around 50% it just makes sense to define "pre-marital assets" so that niether party can take the other to the cleaners.
This is a very important topic and a big departure from the normal crap I see filling this site lately.