Should we decrease the current airport security checks? (56)
Albertaghost: Should have invaded Afghanistan then for crying out loud. Then just moved on iraq too right?
Sorry forgot to hightlight this part of your post about Iraq.
JSuburbia: Well to begin with, the government can now do no warrant wiretapping based soley on suspicion. Before it was deemed by the Supreme Court, that without a warrant, it was a violation of right to privacy, to do so without a warrant. Before, agents of law enforcement had to go before a judge, show them evidence of possible criminal activity in order for the judge to sign a warrant, authorizing them to wiretap. This is no longer needed.
Sooooooo ...... your drug dealing activity has slowed? The question was, what effect has this act had on you,not what you don't like.
JSuburbia: Also, the Patriot Act allows for the government to try American citizens in secret trials, using evidence that is classified against the defendant, that the defense attorney cannot challenge, because it is deemed classified material.
And you have been subjectto this on how may occasions?
JSuburbia: The government by use of the Patriot Act, is authorized to collect data on individual citizens (something it once was prohibited to do against innocent civilians)at the whim of the governemnt. Information such as your finances, medical information, etc, are all available to the government now without court order. Essentially, the government is allowed to collect evidence without a warrant or court order, try you in a secret court, use classified information that you are not allowed to defend yourself against, and convict you of whatever crime it is they accuse you of and send you to a secret location, all without court supervision.
And you, as a secret agent have been affected by this in what way? I say that as you would have to be one to have a problem with this as they have far more serious interests than surveiling a landscaper for example.
JSuburbia: The act also allows the U.S. military to be involved in such operations, an action that was once prevented under the Posse Comitatus Act. So in essance, they can violate our rights, without a judge ever even knowing what's going on, straight through the use of the Patriot Act.
[Once again, I ask .... how has this affeted you?
JSuburbia: Should have invaded Afghanistan then for crying out loud. Then just moved on iraq too right?
Personally, I think the war in Iraq was a mistake. It's clear our plan was for it to last 2months maximum and for us to establish a base of operations where we could then invade Iran. If you look at the geography, it's a fantastic pincer attack between Afghanistan & Iraq. Iraq just didn't lie down like we had planned..And anyone knows, you should plan for worst possible contingency. Not to mention we failed to even lock down Afghanistan because of the Iraq invasion.
Personally, I think the war in Iraq was a mistake. It's clear our plan was for it to last 2months maximum and for us to establish a base of operations where we could then invade Iran. If you look at the geography, it's a fantastic pincer attack between Afghanistan & Iraq. Iraq just didn't lie down like we had planned..And anyone knows, you should plan for worst possible contingency. Not to mention we failed to even lock down Afghanistan because of the Iraq invasion.
Actually it was to pressure Saudi Arabia to take a more proactive action in the War on Terror by having US troops in strength, available to attack any terrorist entity whether real or perceived (meaning perceived in an oil field which needs to be occupied) which forced the desired action from the Royals. Prior to the invasion, Saudi Arabia was turning out Qutbists like a Pez dispenser.
JSuburbia: Sorry forgot to hightlight this part of your post about Iraq.
Yes, the step in the War on terror to force the Saudi hand. Next stop, once Afghanistan is secure - Pakistan.
Albertaghost: Sooooooo ...... your drug dealing activity has slowed? The question was, what effect has this act had on you,not what you don't like.
And you have been subjectto this on how may occasions?
And you, as a secret agent have been affected by this in what way? I say that as you would have to be one to have a problem with this as they have far more serious interests than surveiling a landscaper for example.
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Once again, I ask .... how has this affeted you?
Actually it was to pressure Saudi Arabia to take a more proactive action in the War on Terror by having US troops in strength, available to attack any terrorist entity whether real or perceived (meaning perceived in an oil field which needs to be occupied) which forced the desired action from the Royals. Prior to the invasion, Saudi Arabia was turning out Qutbists like a Pez dispenser.
Yes, the step in the War on terror to force the Saudi hand. Next stop, once Afghanistan is secure - Pakistan.
And you have been subjectto this on how may occasions?
And you, as a secret agent have been affected by this in what way? I say that as you would have to be one to have a problem with this as they have far more serious interests than surveiling a landscaper for example.
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Once again, I ask .... how has this affeted you?
Actually it was to pressure Saudi Arabia to take a more proactive action in the War on Terror by having US troops in strength, available to attack any terrorist entity whether real or perceived (meaning perceived in an oil field which needs to be occupied) which forced the desired action from the Royals. Prior to the invasion, Saudi Arabia was turning out Qutbists like a Pez dispenser.
Yes, the step in the War on terror to force the Saudi hand. Next stop, once Afghanistan is secure - Pakistan.
It affects me in that my rights garanteed to me under the constitution have been impeeded on. The very fact that the governemnt has these new powers & authority, is a violation of the rights granted to me by the constitution of the united states.
I'm sorry if you don't grasp the concept of liberties entitled to me as an American citizen , however, in this country, that means protection from the government from impeeding on my daily life.
Even those that are accused in a standard court of law, have right to due process. This eliminates any protection, that any american has against the government should they decide to prosecute them in this manner.
Again, I apologize if you enjoy big brother being able to follow your every facet of life.
It effects me, by taking away rights, that ensure me a fair trial, to be able to refute evidence brought against me and against search & seizure...What part of this do you not grasp?
JSuburbia: It affects me in that my rights garanteed to me under the constitution have been impeeded on. The very fact that the governemnt has these new powers & authority, is a violation of the rights granted to me by the constitution of the united states.
I'm sorry if you don't grasp the concept of liberties entitled to me as an American citizen , however, in this country, that means protection from the government from impeeding on my daily life.
Even those that are accused in a standard court of law, have right to due process. This eliminates any protection, that any american has against the government should they decide to prosecute them in this manner.
Again, I apologize if you enjoy big brother being able to follow your every facet of life.
It effects me, by taking away rights, that ensure me a fair trial, to be able to refute evidence brought against me and against illegal search & seizure...What part of this do you not grasp?
I'm sorry if you don't grasp the concept of liberties entitled to me as an American citizen , however, in this country, that means protection from the government from impeeding on my daily life.
Even those that are accused in a standard court of law, have right to due process. This eliminates any protection, that any american has against the government should they decide to prosecute them in this manner.
Again, I apologize if you enjoy big brother being able to follow your every facet of life.
It effects me, by taking away rights, that ensure me a fair trial, to be able to refute evidence brought against me and against illegal search & seizure...What part of this do you not grasp?
^ fix'd.
Just because someone is a law abiding citizen, does not mean they are not affected. The degree in which they are affected may not be as severe as someone currently going through secret trials, unable to refute evidence obtained by illegally, but it is affected.
I don`t quite get it.... what`s the big deal about airplanes....Its much easier to blowup a bus or train ,underground transportation and any public mass happening ....
JSuburbia: I honestly wouldn't have a problem with the security, if it actually could garantee me that it would stop 100% of terrorists activity on flights.
Look at Richard Reid (I think that's his name)...The only reason he got caught was because of alert passangers (and this was AFTER 9/11)
But would they have been alert to a man appearing to be lighting his shoes... beyond thinking he was just a nut, and maybe alerting a stewardess, if 9/11 hadn't already occurred?Look at Richard Reid (I think that's his name)...The only reason he got caught was because of alert passangers (and this was AFTER 9/11)
Boban1: I don`t quite get it.... what`s the big deal about airplanes....Its much easier to blowup a bus or train ,underground transportation and any public mass happening ....
Exactly. I drove a van onto an Irish Sea ferry a few weeks ago, not a single security check.
Boban1: I don`t quite get it.... what`s the big deal about airplanes....Its much easier to blowup a bus or train ,underground transportation and any public mass happening ....
Airplane is probably more dramatic!
Should we decrease the current airport security checks?
Are you kidding.
National Interest requires a high level of paranoia so that people accept the controlled demolition of their former constitutional rights and protections.
Maintaining that paranoia requires constant reinforcement and airline security procedures constitute one of the most visible and inescapable reminders that security requires surrendering privacy.
The Israelis pioneered the process of intense scrutiny of passengers both when they arrive and when they leave. This amounts to a detailed investigation of every traveler. Sure it's inconvenient and costly, but look how it has paid off in reinforcing the sort of paranoid delusions that make people appreciate a totalitarian police state.
Are you kidding.
National Interest requires a high level of paranoia so that people accept the controlled demolition of their former constitutional rights and protections.
Maintaining that paranoia requires constant reinforcement and airline security procedures constitute one of the most visible and inescapable reminders that security requires surrendering privacy.
The Israelis pioneered the process of intense scrutiny of passengers both when they arrive and when they leave. This amounts to a detailed investigation of every traveler. Sure it's inconvenient and costly, but look how it has paid off in reinforcing the sort of paranoid delusions that make people appreciate a totalitarian police state.
Tho I dont like the system of Being Searched like a Criminal,
I also do Understand it is for Everyones Safety....
I remember Back in the late 60s and early 70s when Many Planes wer Hi Jacked, and made fly where they were Directed By the Hijackers...This was Quite common back then, I sure havnt seen much of that going on today...
so NO I dont like it, But still feel it is Proctection For Not only Me, But for You too.....
worst part of it is many times you miss your next flight, waiting in security Lines...
If you don have about 2 hours layover, You Miss your Next flight
Oh what Fun that is.....
I also do Understand it is for Everyones Safety....
I remember Back in the late 60s and early 70s when Many Planes wer Hi Jacked, and made fly where they were Directed By the Hijackers...This was Quite common back then, I sure havnt seen much of that going on today...
so NO I dont like it, But still feel it is Proctection For Not only Me, But for You too.....
worst part of it is many times you miss your next flight, waiting in security Lines...
If you don have about 2 hours layover, You Miss your Next flight
Oh what Fun that is.....
Boban1: I don`t quite get it.... what`s the big deal about airplanes....Its much easier to blowup a bus or train ,underground transportation and any public mass happening ....
What with the EU and other similar globalization constructs, true international travel can only be accomplished by air. And the behavior they are trying to suppress is the idea that the poor have the right to leave their country. Serf's are supposed to be tied to the land, they can't just decide to leave.
Extreme security not only prevents people from taking secret cash or gold with them when they leave, it also greatly raises the cost and and thereby squeezes the poor out of the right to travel abroad.
International travel is intended to be just for the rich.
SCatlyn: But would they have been alert to a man appearing to be lighting his shoes... beyond thinking he was just a nut, and maybe alerting a stewardess, if 9/11 hadn't already occurred?
As it turns out, the cemtex in his shoe could never in a million years be detonated with a match. It requires a detonator to set it off.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
RayfromUSA: As it turns out, the cemtex in his shoe could never in a million years be detonated with a match. It requires a detonator to set it off.
It wasn't semtex, but C4 which does burn slowly when lit and the only thing stopping him from lighting it was the fuse being damp.
RayfromUSA: As it turns out, the cemtex in his shoe could never in a million years be detonated with a match. It requires a detonator to set it off.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
From the Field Guide to the Conspiracy Theorist...
Conspiracy theories exist on a spectrum from mild suspicion to full-on paranoia, and brain chemistry may play a role. Dopamine rewards us for noting patterns and finding meaning in sometimes-insignificant events. It's long been known that schizophrenics overproduce dopamine. "The earliest stages of delusion are characterized by an overabundance of meaningful coincidences," explain Paul D. Morrison and R.M. Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London. "Jumping to conclusions" is a common reasoning style among the paranoid, find Daniel Freeman and his colleagues, also at the Institute of Psychiatry.
There are treatments for such chemical imbalances today but getting people who need treatment to actually seek treatment has been the biggest barrier to their recovery to normal life and full sanity.
RayfromUSA:
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
Of course he was chosen and of course he was given all the materials, the same as any suicide bomber, they aren't acting on their own accord. It doesn't take brains to work that one out!
RayfromUSA: As it turns out, the cemtex in his shoe could never in a million years be detonated with a match. It requires a detonator to set it off.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
O J was part of the 9/11 plot? MY GOD!!!!
Boban1: I don`t quite get it.... what`s the big deal about airplanes....Its much easier to blowup a bus or train ,underground transportation and any public mass happening ....
or even mopeds and bicycles.
RayfromUSA: As it turns out, the cemtex in his shoe could never in a million years be detonated with a match. It requires a detonator to set it off.
Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
actually,a Detonator was there!Reid was a nutcase, chosen as a patsy, encouraged and instructed in what to do, provided with the materials. They knew it wouldn't explode, but it served to reinforce the paranoia and made people thankful for the police state and it's disregard for personal rights.
The same is true for the WTC bombers (the truck bomb). Like Reid, they were nuts chosen to serve as patsies. The FBI provided the explosives, built the bomb, and told them where to park it.
All of that came out in the trial and should have been highly publicized, but, just as the trial started, OJ Simpson did his grandstand entry into Los Angeles, and that grabbed the headlines and kept them for the entire length of the trial.
Almost like the murder and trial were timed to steal the headlines and cover-up the FBI involvement in the WTC bombing.
At that time, forensic results indicated Reid's shoes contained 10 ounces of C-4 plastic explosives, enough to blow a hole in the plane and cause it to crash. During a preliminary hearing which was held on December 28, an FBI agent testified that forensic analysis had identified the chemicals as PETN, the primary explosive, and TATP (triacetone triperoxide), a chemical needed to detonate the bomb
gardenhackle: From the Field Guide to the Conspiracy Theorist...
Conspiracy theories exist on a spectrum from mild suspicion to full-on paranoia, and brain chemistry may play a role. Dopamine rewards us for noting patterns and finding meaning in sometimes-insignificant events. It's long been known that schizophrenics overproduce dopamine. "The earliest stages of delusion are characterized by an overabundance of meaningful coincidences," explain Paul D. Morrison and R.M. Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London. "Jumping to conclusions" is a common reasoning style among the paranoid, find Daniel Freeman and his colleagues, also at the Institute of Psychiatry.
There are treatments for such chemical imbalances today but getting people who need treatment to actually seek treatment has been the biggest barrier to their recovery to normal life and full sanity.
Conspiracy theories exist on a spectrum from mild suspicion to full-on paranoia, and brain chemistry may play a role. Dopamine rewards us for noting patterns and finding meaning in sometimes-insignificant events. It's long been known that schizophrenics overproduce dopamine. "The earliest stages of delusion are characterized by an overabundance of meaningful coincidences," explain Paul D. Morrison and R.M. Murray of the Institute of Psychiatry at Kings College London. "Jumping to conclusions" is a common reasoning style among the paranoid, find Daniel Freeman and his colleagues, also at the Institute of Psychiatry.
There are treatments for such chemical imbalances today but getting people who need treatment to actually seek treatment has been the biggest barrier to their recovery to normal life and full sanity.
"He said confusion over whether the iPad is a laptop or not, thereby requiring further examination, was one example of inconsistencies".
I know..... I often ponder over the difference between flammable and inflammable.
..... well, don't you?!
I know..... I often ponder over the difference between flammable and inflammable.
..... well, don't you?!
xxDandelionxx: "He said confusion over whether the iPad is a laptop or not, thereby requiring further examination, was one example of inconsistencies".
I know..... I often ponder over the difference between flammable and inflammable.
..... well, don't you?!
I know..... I often ponder over the difference between flammable and inflammable.
..... well, don't you?!
Flammable is the correct term to use these days.
Hi Alison.
bodleing: Flammable is the correct term to use these days.Hi Alison.
Hi, Cheeky-Chops!
How's the Main Man these days?
xxDandelionxx: Hi, Cheeky-Chops! How's the Main Man these days?
Still wandering round the showroom with his car tyre.
bodleing: Still wandering round the showroom with his car tyre.
Ahhhh.... bless him!
May pop in next time we are up, for a cuppa and that ever elusive biccie?!
I want a hug from the cool dude anyways
xxDandelionxx: Ahhhh.... bless him!
May pop in next time we are up, for a cuppa and that ever elusive biccie?!
I want a hug from the cool dude anyways
May pop in next time we are up, for a cuppa and that ever elusive biccie?!
I want a hug from the cool dude anyways
You're always welcome Alison, phone ahead and we'll send out for some biscuits.
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What terrible things have happened to you since the Patriot Act was set in motion?
Well to begin with, the government can now do no warrant wiretapping based soley on suspicion. Before it was deemed by the Supreme Court, that without a warrant, it was a violation of right to privacy, to do so without a warrant. Before, agents of law enforcement had to go before a judge, show them evidence of possible criminal activity in order for the judge to sign a warrant, authorizing them to wiretap. This is no longer needed.
Also, the Patriot Act allows for the government to try American citizens in secret trials, using evidence that is classified against the defendant, that the defense attorney cannot challenge, because it is deemed classified material. The government by use of the Patriot Act, is authorized to collect data on individual citizens (something it once was prohibited to do against innocent civilians)at the whim of the governemnt. Information such as your finances, medical information, etc, are all available to the government now without court order. Essentially, the government is allowed to collect evidence without a warrant or court order, try you in a secret court, use classified information that you are not allowed to defend yourself against, and convict you of whatever crime it is they accuse you of and send you to a secret location, all without court supervision. The act also allows the U.S. military to be involved in such operations, an action that was once prevented under the Posse Comitatus Act. So in essance, they can violate our rights, without a judge ever even knowing what's going on, straight through the use of the Patriot Act.
Should have invaded Afghanistan then for crying out loud. Then just moved on iraq too right?
Personally, I think the war in Iraq was a mistake. It's clear our plan was for it to last 2months maximum and for us to establish a base of operations where we could then invade Iran. If you look at the geography, it's a fantastic pincer attack between Afghanistan & Iraq. Iraq just didn't lie down like we had planned..And anyone knows, you should plan for worst possible contingency. Not to mention we failed to even lock down Afghanistan because of the Iraq invasion.