What is your opinion on PUA? ( Archived) (31)

I must be green,

PUA is an acronym for Pick up art. It's also could be called men's dating advice or seduction technique. It was popularized by Neil Straus' book 'The Game' and soon after an entire industry has sprung up around it and now there are tv shows, seminars and training courses that are supposed to teach men the skills needed to approach and seduce women. Needless to say a lot of men are prepared to spend and good deal of money on something that promises them success with women.

The killer Elliot Rogers supposedly studied PUA but wasn't very successful in his attempts. As such he joined and posted on forums such as PUAhate which is a collection of men who have spent time and money on courses and tuition but haven't got the results they wanted. IMHO places like PUAhate are full of some quite bitter men. The site has now been closed down.

well I agree that alot of men lack the courage of making the first move and confidence in a man or woman is a very attractive trait atlas it all goes a bit pear shaped when a man has had too much to drink...and women too may I add,..some men have it down to a fine art I think confidence is the biggie,.and there's lovely men out there may be too shy just lack the confidence,have you found the book of any benefit,?i guess not too try like your trying too hard is the key,.i don't know I'm just saying the words,I might look it up.thanks

If it is,it wasn't written by an Irish man

Is that not the streets of London you thinking of?

Or you could try the old school way and just say hi!

I think different 'methods' suit different people.

Some can quite happily start chatting to the person next to them on the bus, and end up dating.
Some like the pub/club scene, where you might be a bit scuttered and that loosens your tongue and gives you the dutch courage you need.
Others like joining organisations/gyms/clubs to meet someone with similar interests.

Whilst others like the online scene.

These are then divided into the chat/email for a long time and get to know each other first before meeting-type, and the quick chat, meet soon-type.


How on god's green earth could you write a book to cover all of these, and more!

Once everybody is honest in their intentions, and respectful of the other person, any method will do, and save your money on the book!

(All donations gratefully accepted however! )

I thought some of the ideas and techniques in these books were interesting in that they were a bit counter-intuitive and the opposite of what I had been doing before.

I think they the problem with the men's dating advice books and PUA is that a lot of men are going to judge their success by the quantity and the physical attractiveness of the women they score with. If that's their goal then perhaps these men could be a little bit more introspective before running game. Also, a lot of PUA's claim that it should only take 10 - 12 hours to seduce most women. Which is funny because only 6% of women admit to sleeping with a guy within the first 2 days of meeting.
Someone's lying!

IMHO A lot of the important advice which works for both men and women gets glossed over by these books and they focus on the technique and strategy instead. for instance..

1) Look after yourself - eat well, exercise regularly, keep clean & dress nice.
2) Set yourself standards - Figure out what you want in a partner, what you will and won't tolerate and what qualities you really admire.
3) Improve yourself - Always be learning about the things you are passionate about, set yourself goals and try new things.

Could these three simple pieces of advice (couple with Don't be shy) be the basis of finding someone you could be happy with? i.e. If you look after yourself people are going to notice and be drawn to that? If you are always learning you are always going to have something to talk about and appear interesting to others?

I think that 'improve yourself' vitally important and I over the last few days I found myself wondering if Elliot Rogers had just looked inwards and decided to focus on his own personal development would he have been consumed by his hate and felt compelled to do what he did?

How you doin

Never really heard of this until now..seems pretty harmless really...

If a man looks after his body, eats well, looks after his mind through books, culture, etc., and has damp hair and smells like he has just stepped out of the shower. ...then he csrtainly would not need to read any PUA books.

He wouldn't have time

Let me see yes i eat well- Chips,but only the best chips

Sit in large comfortable chair to look after body


Read a lot of 'nuts' and 'loaded'

Culture - Chinese takeaway

Often get caught in rain left damp.Keep a bottle of brute on me at all times just in case i need to smell good

Come ravish me baby

I'm so wet now, I am sliding right off my seat...

It the chips that seals the deal isn't it? Ye lasses go mad for chips

Twas the chip-grease made me slide!

From what I read here locally, this "PUA" (which I never heard of) wasn't even a part of the discussion. Seems to be considered irrelevant in light of the other factors that may have led up to this disaster.

There was a book and a film out,he"s just not into me,",,,....I'd rather read 50 shades grey,::laugh: ... I never heard about that shocking event that happend in USA...but logic would tell us it was a man with a mental illness that was ready to ignite anyway no matter what people try to blame it on,that's very shallow.......as for the book on PUA some men taking things too seriously and to the extreme,it's like those feign shei books for the yin and the yang to work in complete harmony one would have to move house,the country even....as my nanna used to say "a little of what you fancy is ok,",,,....don't overdo things and take things to the extreme....now where's my 4 th cup tea before I set out.

key pad mad was meant to spell feing shui