O'Neill is a tad over rated. His teams only play one dimensional football negative football. When he got money at Villa, he could waste it (10 million Curtis Davies ring a bell?)
He did well with Villa but I don't think he was going to take them any further. O'Leary had them in a higher position and did not get half the credit.
Thats why I say slowly changing. This is a complex topic, it can't be summed up in a few posts. All you have said is right but there has been changes too.
Well that you could do the LC at all was a change from my Dads time. He would have needed to pay for secondary school. Fees are a whole other issue though! I'd favour the graduate tax they have in other countries.
Ah I'd really, really argue against that. It is not easy to do well and college has a lot of applied coursework now. Some of my classes were 100% continuous assessment with real world projects.
The leaving cert is like a memory test. But somebody that works hard enough to get over 500 points deserves credit.
I think it is slowly being changed towards a meritocracy. Back in the day, doctors, lawyers, business people etc would normally be people who came from certain classes. Back then if you were working class, you had no chance of ever changing that.
But nowadays, the CAO is decided purely on leaving cert points. If you get the points to do law in UCD or medicine in Trinity, you can do it. It is not like it was before where you could only do it if you could afford to pay for the course. Now it is only slowly changing and the issues of fee paying secondary schools exists.
But do you get where I'm coming from? Like my grandfather was working class, my parents were working class. They all grew up at a time when you had to pay to go to secondary school. But I could do that for free and then did well enough to go to university. So that is a big change in the last 50 years in Ireland.
But I actually said in my post that some morons get degrees.But that does not change my point that law, medicine etc are open to anybody now if they work hard. So it is a different system than when your background decided your future.
A degree is not a sign of intelligence, but it is not a sign of idiocy either. Just having a degree is not any great shakes, you can be carried through the years and come out with an average result. But people that actually do well are likely to be intelligent.
Ignoring her issues, they are are examples of a class problem. Anybody can study in school, go to college and get a degree. If you are smart enough, you will come through the system. It has nothing to do with who you are or where you are from. I understand galwaydav's point about Travellers, but by and large most people in Ireland can do so.
Now I am not saying that a degree or postgrads are the only way of being successful. I also know absolute morons who will get a masters and I know very intelligent people with just the Leaving. But my point is that medicine, law etc are not closed circles. Study hard and with intelligence you can make it in them.
Never said I had changed classes. I said that the idea of a class structure is on the way out. Different methods are used to differentiate people nowadays.
It has a pretty low rating on Rotten Tomatoes too...general consensus is that Angelina is good in it but the film is average. I'd say I'll enjoy it but just as a bit of filler for 2 hours.
She has a point though. And as the article points out, there are more beautiful girls than there are beautiful men. And scrib was obviously not being literal about a princess and a frog...he didn't mean a Victoria's Secret model and a troll that lives under a bridge getting it on.
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But only after a lot of this 
RE: O'Neill quits as Aston Villa Manager
Exactly. He has spent more than Wenger in the last few years and achieved damn all. More than Fergie too last summer.