Down By The River

Sorry Sassy I over-looked this post.

Here's the URL.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

It is their job to reinforce the concept of a social contract and certain basic values though.

You don't hit other kids because you don't like to be hit.

Otherwise, we have a generation of TV sociopaths. Oops. doh

Too late. frustrated

The Corporation -

SACRAMENTO, CA - The California Department of Public Health released a warning Wednesday that more peanut butter products have been added to the list of recalled products potentially tainted with Salmonella.

According to Mark Horton, director of the California Department of Public Health, the latest recall includes products produced by Dough-To-Go, Inc., of Santa Clara.

Officials said that the company distributed frozen peanut butter cookies and frozen peanut butter cookie dough to 30 California counties. These products were apparently sold during several school fundraisers between August 2008 and January 16, 2009.

Even though no illnesses associated with Dough-To-Go products have been reported so far, Horton advised not to eat or handle the described products. Peanut butter that has recently been recalled may have been used as an ingredient in Dough-To-Go products.

Horton also reminded consumers that peanut butter sold in retail stores was not linked to the latest salmonella outbreak.

Click here for the list of schools that were involved in the fundraiser.

Consumers can also check product directly by examining the lot codes printed on the side of the product's box. The following lot codes have been recalled:

CBB-335-40 (12 cookies per case)

CBB-330-20 (72 cookies per case)

CBR-190-20 (80 cookies per case)

CBR-330-20 (80 cookies per case)

CBR-330-12 (144 cookies per case)

CBR-190-18 (18 pound pail)

CBR-320-18 (18 pound pail)

FUN-001-0U (36 cookies per case)

FUN-320-0O (36 cookies per case)

CMB-PBU-30 (24 cookies per case)


Meanwhile, federal officials have announced a recall of all products containing peanut paste or peanut oil produced over the past two years at a Georgia plant at the center of the current salmonella outbreak.


In a briefing Wednesday, the federal food safety officials said the plant owner -- Peanut Corp. of America -- had agreed to the recall. More than 500 people have gotten sick in the salmonella outbreak, which is linked to at least eight deaths.

Wednesday's recall followed reports by federal inspectors that salmonella had been found previously at least 12 times in products made at the plant. Inspectors found that the tainted peanut products were retested, then shipped to customers.


A leading lawmaker is calling for a federal probe of possible criminal violations the peanut facility.


Over the last two years, Peanut Corp. of America found salmonella in a dozen internal tests of its products, but shipped them anyway after getting new tests.

The FDA said the company did not initially disclose that to investigators trying to solve the salmonella outbreak. The company's actions "can only be described as reprehensible and criminal," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., who oversees FDA funding.

DeLauro said she is asking the Justice Department to determine if the case warrants prosecution. More than 500 people have gotten sick in the outbreak, which is continuing.


For a current list of products affected by the nationwide recall of impacted products, visit

News10/KXTV and The Associated Press
Copyright 2009 / All Rights Reserved

RE: Obama's Housing plan, and your thoughts

Dissent is disloyalty you pinko Canuck. scold

rolling on the floor laughing tongue

RE: Obama's Housing plan, and your thoughts

Dissent is disloyalty you pinko Canuck. scold

rolling on the floor laughing tongue

The Corporation -

Although I haven't seen the movie, I have read this book. I think it is a significant concept to consider in light of all the recent fraudulent business practices we have witnessed in the financial district and the resulting disastrous consequences for the world at large.

IMO, In this day and age with instant communication and a global market, global small business should be encouraged. Private sole propriety or partnership with a definite chain of accountability would go a long way toward profitability in the long-term.

The public trust has been shattered. Its time for that public to stand up, stand out, and make themselves and the people they do business with accountable.

We can change this circumstance in the way we purchase our goods and services. Let the free market speak. Let the power of profit dictate conscience in a way that we can control. In our spending and investing habits. Follow the money and you will find it comes out of our pockets every time.

RE: Obama's Housing plan, and your thoughts

He won my vote in the final analysis because he ran a fairly high-brow line of rhetoric. He did not stoop to the mud-slinging, Rove-inspired tactics that typically color such campaigns.

It's too early to tell really. People need to give the guy a break. He's only been President a month or so. He's done more than Bush in that time, even if it's the wrong things. Bush was on vacation until 9-11.doh

RE: Obama's Housing plan, and your thoughts

I have to agree. He could have had my vote until Palin. handshake

RE: Obama's Housing plan, and your thoughts

With the the pork in the Patriot Act, Bush ran contrary to every "Republican" ideal there ever was. Homeland Security is just another way of saying "another inept layer of bureaucracy" IMO. Add that to the ineffectual EPA that Nixon created and various other policy changes in the Federal Mental Health & Prison Reforms of the DEA & "War On Drugs" of Reagan & Bush '42(basically translate that as the war on people other than the CIA making money on cocaine).

The Republicans are batting zero in the last 40 years on their history of small government my friend. It's just the agenda of the institutions that differ. tip hat

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

OK. OK. OK. mumbling

He touched it with his noodley appendage. He touched it more than three times. Yes, he was playing with it.


(It's such fun to play with humans and their little tiny monkey-brains.)

RAmen!

bowing

RE: Is There Something in the CS Water?

I don't take it seriously anymore. I can't. doh

"Cause its all just so f$%#ing hilarious." - Daniel Craig as Connor Rooney, The Road To Perdition

rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

RE: Eh, someone else bet me to it, but yeah I'm leaving.......

So what exactly is the agenda you have for being here, then? To exercise your god-given right to use capslock?confused

doh talk to hand

RE: is it possible to fall in love chatting online

Short answer, yes. happy place

Best method. Keep your personal drama off the forums. thumbs up

RE: Eh, someone else bet me to it, but yeah I'm leaving.......

Is this a good-bye thread or a pity-party for a foul Princess?

And she wonders why after two years she is still single.

One thing I'm sure of, its not the site...roll eyes wink sigh

RE: A rather fearful question but curious...

That's why its important to avoid a situation wherein we argue with ourselves from ignorance.

That's right. We don't know. We see a binary termination in death, either something continues or nothing continues and we just decay and become worm-food.

But life (and thus death) is never binary. There are three-thousand worlds contained every single life-moment (a concept known as ichinen sanzen in the Tendai school of Buddhism). By that reasoning, there are also three-thousand choices we can make at the moment of death on where to be, who to be, what to be, and why.

Nothing is ever black & white. We simplify life to these standards because we cannot conceive of infinity. There are more options, and thus more explanations, than we will ever be able to verbalize. That is the Buddha's dilemma at the beginning of the Lotus Sutra. How can I expound about something that defies exposition? You cannot. You can only use simile and parable (the modern idea is a scientific model) to explain something that defies explanation.

Good luck Dusty. hug grin

Rainbows & Centaurs

Rainbows and Centaurs
Use magical, mystic doors
To travel, here, and there,
All over the place, and everywhere.

Rainbows and Centaurs
Are mystical things
Discussed by wise men,
And with them, kings
But rainbows defy
Their imaginations,
They make them mundane
And blame it on the rain.

Rainbows and Centaurs
Use magical, mystic doors
To travel, here, and there,
All over the place, and everywhere.

And Centaur's are prideful
They spurn the company of men
Once burnt, twice shy,
And they'll say it
Again, and then, again.
We're not to be trusted, with
Our science and our faiths,
Much like rainbows, they've
Blamed it all on wraiths.

Leading Man...

After 25 years, he's bloody tired of repeating himself anyway. doh

rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

Leading Man...

A fourth-grader was excited that he had tried out and gotten a role in his school's play. His father was really proud of him and asked, "So, what part did you get?"

The little boy replies, "I got the part of a man who's been married for 25 years."

His father congratulated him said "That's good son. Maybe next time you'll get a speaking part!"

RE: I am really really BORED!!!

No! snooty

Nor on a rail with a whale. laugh

That would, after all,

Be a rather tall tale.

doh

RE: I am really really BORED!!!

Sam I am. I will not eat green eggs and ham. giggle

hole

RE: GOD

Of course, Len. I'd never include you in my regard with the Church of Elvis! grinhandshake

RE: GOD

When God wants to have a conversation with me, I'm right here. This is like a bank. I'll need ID. grin

RE: GOD

I have found truth in the form of Buddha's teachings. If the father you speak of truly speaks to me, then he speaks to me through the Lotus Sutra. thumbs up

I'm not against looking to a higher power for guidance. I have no problem with the teachings of Jesus. They have merit as the truth of consequence, spoken by an emanation of the eternal Buddha using expedient means and simile and parable appropriate to the time and the understanding of his audience. Its his fan clubs I can do without. On that note I will say no more on the subject. cool

Down By The River

Nope, sorry to disappoint you tony. wave head banger

Down By The River

Down By The River
There's mud and flowers
Graceful bowers -- windswept,
Blown, in copper sunsets
Writhing on the plain,
The sheaf's of grain,
Bend like waves across the sea.

Down By The River
There are children playing
An old saying -- posies,
Praying, God is slaying the
Unrighteous, wicked heathen,
Do they need them, rhyming folly,
In their ignorance they are jolly.

Down By The River
Lives are flowing -- forgotten,
The core's of faith are rotten,
Wisdom strong, a fool's dystopic
Laughing long, peasant myopic.
Shangri-lah, a black birds caw,
Traveling band into ravening maw,
Torn to pieces by rending claw.

Down By The River
The water flows, from here
To there, and everywhere -- Living
Memory, and all deeds and words spoken
Rewound along the knife-edged token
Given the boat-man to the farther shore
Black-mysterious, the tiller a bony horror.

Down By The River, Down By The River,
Down By The River, Forevermore.

RE: GOD

Hey tony. wave

I don't believe in that separation. I believe the dichotomy is all in definition. People want to believe there is a separation, because then they can separate themselves from consequence, and thus, from responsibility. The Devil made me do it, It's God's will. No, "you" did it, and completely via "your" will. Stop pointing fingers.

My previous post may seem to say that I'm blaming my life and its events on God. I'm not. I blame them on nothing. That's just the way things are.

I believe all my previous pain in life was caused by trying to understand what God was telling me. He wasn't saying anything because He's simply not there. Once I accepted that, I could deal with taking responsibility for the things I could change, accepting the things I can't, and trying to learn the difference between the two. Wisdom starts where faith ends.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

I think the truth is actually a synthesis of Darwin and Lamarck. I'm just pointing out that it's a contentious theory even within the scientific community.

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

Thanks, trish. You still have my Y! addie? Send me some there. grin

RE: DIVINE CREATOR or Darwin's Theory ?

Let me play devil's Advocate for a moment to lend some balance to my arguments and prove that scientists are people too, and fully realize this:

"Richard Feynman suggested, in his "Cargo Cult Science" speech, that scientists may fall prey to a form of magical thinking as well as laypeople. When experiments are poorly controlled and not repeated, or reporting bias dominates, scientists may "fool themselves" into believing that insignificant results are significant. If enough flawed work is done in a field — Feynman singles out psychology in particular as sloppy — then further experiments may devolve into a set of unfounded rituals. In short, methods that are scientific may be used to generate results that merely seem scientific." - Wikipedia article "Magical Thinking".

OK, so here is the deal. I believe in evolution. But I believe too much emphasis has been given to Darwin. There is currently work abroad that points to the possibility that Lamarck may have had more to offer than he is given credit for. But scientists largely ignore evidence of Lamarck's acquired characteristics in favor of Darwin's natural selection model.

Acquired characteristics? Hmmm, I believe I remember that we were made in the image of our original parent. Maybe science isn't so incompatible with religion except as a semantic interpretive argument.

The scientific realm isn't perfect people. But it's rational, and far less influenced by magical thinking than anything else that we have to offer ourselves. Good luck with your faith, your discovery, and your future. May whatever there actually be bless all of you. tip hat

RE: Daytona 500

Go Fast, turn left. And whoever does that best, wins. wine

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