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RE: My previous thread vanished?

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Lee have you learned how to curtsy yet?

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

STOP SAYING FALSE HORRIBLE THINGS ABOUT AMERICA's FATHER's !!!!!!!

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

NOW I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

BULLSHIP!!!!!!!!!!


‘DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH’ – DID BEN FRANKLIN SAY THIS QUOTE?
1:34 PM 05/29/2019 Aryssa Damron | Fact Check Reporter

An image shared on Facebook attributed four quotes about democracy to four different founding fathers – Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and Alexander Hamilton.



Verdict: False

While the quotes attributed to Adams and Hamilton exist in the historical record, there is no evidence that Jefferson or Franklin said the statements this meme attributes to them.

Fact Check:

Social media users will often lean upon the prestige of America’s founding fathers by attributing political quotes to them. (RELATED: Did George Washington Say This Quote About A ‘Government’s Right To Govern’)

This image supposedly quotes four founders, each making a remark that is critical of democracy. We looked into the sayings, finding that while two can be ascribed to Adams and Hamilton, the quotes attributed to Jefferson and Franklin are spurious.

The saying ascribed to Adams comes from a letter he wrote in 1814.

“Remember Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes exhausts and murders itself. There never was a Democracy Yet, that did not commit suicide,” he wrote, before continuing, “It is in vain to Say that Democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious or less avaricious than Aristocracy or Monarchy. It is not true in Fact and no where appears in history. Those Passions are the same in all Men under all forms of Simple Government, and when unchecked, produce the same Effects of Fraud Violence and Cruelty.”

The quote attributed to Hamilton comes from remarks he’s recorded as making during the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

“We are now forming a republican government,” Hamilton said, according to one individual reporting on the event. “Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.” The meme does not include that final clause, and another attendee who transcribed the same speech did not include the quote in his notes.

The quotes from Jefferson and Franklin cannot be traced back to a particular speech or letter, or any written work for that matter.

Jefferson’s estate at Monticello lists the quotation – that “democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine” – on its list of “spurious quotations,” saying it has “no evidence to confirm that Thomas Jefferson ever said or wrote” this. The quote did not appear in a search of Jefferson’s collected works.

The quote ascribed to Franklin says, “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” However, The Daily Caller found no instance of it in Franklin’s writings, nor does the statement appear in the National Archives‘ online database.

“I couldn’t readily find the quote in Franklin’s papers,” Thomas Kidd, a history professor at Baylor University, told the Caller in an email.

According to etymologist Barry Popik, the first half of the expression can be found in print as far back as 1987.

The closest Franklin comes to expressing this sentiment is where he writes in a 1773 letter, “There is Truth in the Old Saying, That if you make yourself a Sheep, the Wolves will eat you.”


Go back to Russia you troll!!!!!!! The United Soviet Socialist REPUBLIC believes in you!!!

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

look up the word constitution, look up the word republic . put the two together and you will understand the meaning of "constitutional republic".

I am glad I was able to find your post that you claimed didnt exist.

I would help you with "democracy" but you are not capable of grasping it.

I feel sorry for you.

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

Your post was in response to Mustang.

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

I would apologize of course. I did ask a question, not a statement of fact. This post supports asking that question and I remember another identical one. ........................................






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MustangWriter: Two wolves and a sheep wondering what's for dinner?

Thank goodness I live in a Constitutional Republic!
I thought an example of democracy was 2 wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.<<<<<<<<<<

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

I'll find your post for you.
Far as the level playing field- its in all the American History books.

RE: What happens when people find out that Capitalism was a lie?

Weren't you trashing American democracy in a recent post, something about three wolves eating a fourth who disagreed ?
America has a long history, since the days of their Robber Baron's , in establishing a level playing field and keeping the thieves and low life like Bernie Madoff and other similar low life like in orange jumpsuits.
Socialism has been their favorite scream of despair to defeat the level playing field, it was (at their inception) and is still used against Social Security, Medicare, et al.

RE: Why young women pick older men? Pick the word that you feel best answers this quiery.

why do they pick older men?

they never yell or tell and they're grateful as hell!

RE: Nancy delivering the articles of impeachment

@ Trump

RE: FEAR

Some snakes make great pets. A few species will crawl into bed with you! Got a great story about that.

RE: FEAR

Now that you found this video, I hope you know that your fear of men, your hatred of women and your deeply repressed desires are all related . I look forward to joining you in your future threads Lee!

RE: Happy

Naughty is married to a dog!

RE: I was once told all women are psychos

all the men do

RE: Misandry means - the hatred of men

Nancy Reagan was the embodiment of the reptilian woman, but even she seemed devoted to her mate.
Feminist movement is just about economic equality and legal protections. The tensions between the male double standard and the predatory female and all its variations are a waste of time.

RE: I was once told all women are psychos

with the woman, not women.sorry

RE: I was once told all women are psychos

I once had an attractive (at the time- time is cruel ) woman in a large social group make up all kinds of crazy nonsense about me coming on to her . The hysteria created with all the gossipy women was ridiculous. I had had virtually no contact with the women . Eventually it all just went away.

RE: I was once told all women are psychos

RE: Question for women…Would you buy a wig...If your going bald…or went bald?

My gf many many years ago loved to wear a wig at a very strange time.
Ive seen some fashion models with shaved heads. Very beautiful.

RE: Question for women…Would you buy a wig...If your going bald…or went bald?

Not normal Norman secretly wants a ladies wig ! His repressed jealousy makes him blog about women and baldness!

RE: Question for women…Would you buy a wig...If your going bald…or went bald?

Are you thinking of wearing a woman"s wig Lee?

RE: Which would you… prefer to date?

Now Lee youare trying to get back in touch with repressed feelings. Your quoted above post is much too paranoid.!

RE: Which would you… prefer to date?

Krema would be nice for any guy.

RE: Would you trust someone...to be your wingman?

I don't go that way Lee, but I'm glad you"re getting in touch, if you know what I mean.

RE: Guys, has a man of the cloth ever gotten a bit too "friendly" with you?

Protect us, O my Hero, Anti Fantasy Man !!!!!!

RE: Trump The Man Of Steel - Make America Great Again

get a job!