You have to look at the total picture. Sometimes defending your freedom, your family, or your way of life may make it necessary to battle, but God loves everyone. If you look at the 10 commandments, this first two are about love.
1. Love your God will all your heart mind and soul. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
If you can do these two, all the other commandments fall into place.
You got to realize the bible is also a history book about human nature and its failings and why we need God. Not every action in the bible was approved by god, but was a story about the mistakes of people and how God was able to change their lives.
The bible says "blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the children of God."
Sometimes we have to battle to preserve our freedom, family, or way of life, but it should be the very last option. It is better to find peaceful means to settle differences.
If you were not so close minded and pig headed, you would have realized that I sent you a link that was a rebuttal to what I found in the book the Evidence of God. I was willing to discuss the rebuttal before you started throwing insults. You are not really interested in hearing any other viewpoint except your own, nor are willing to have a rational discussion. It became clear to me that all you wanted to do was "win." Well, every man and woman will die, but nobody gets out of this life alive. I only wish that I could see the look on your face when your spirit seperates from body and you are looking down on it, but then, for you it will have been too late. I hope for your sake, you are right.
P.S. It seems most atheists people that I have met are really unhappy people, I wonder why.
If you have the truth, I would like to know what it is. I don't believe just by saying I don't see a God therefore he doesn't exist is a good argument. If you say the bible was written by a man, so was history books. Will you deny that Abraham Lincoln existed because you haven't seen him? I am more interested on the scientic level if there is proof of God or not. Things have changed since Charles Darwin wrote his book on the Orgin of Species. Is there anyone with a scientific backgroud who can answer this question?
As far as which religion is correct, I have my beliefs, but I'm still searching to see if it is the correct one or not.
To me is there a God and which one is he is the greatest question of all.
The possiblility of producing life depends on everything being "just right" from the very start-everything from the values of fundamental forces like electromagnetism and gravity, to the relative masses of the various subatomic particles, to things like the number of neutrino types at times 1 second, which the universe has to "know" already at 10 to the -43 second. The slightest tinkering with a single one of scores of basic values and relationships in nature would have resulted in a universe very different from the one we inhabit - say, one with no stars like our sun, or no stars period.
The implications of this bigger picture were quite different from those that people had infered from Darwin's theory. Suddenly, the universe, and human life, did not look so "ramdom" or accidental after all. As Carter pointed out (in a unfortunately technical and roundabout way), life had to be, in effect "pre-planned" from the very origin of the cosmos. In order to get life to appear in the universe billions of years after the universe began, you had to start planning very early - from the first nanosecond of the universe's coming into being. The possiblility of producing life depends on everything being "just right" from the very start-everything from the values of fundamental forces like electromagnetism and gravity, to the relative masses of the various subatomic particles, to things like the number of neutrino types at times 1 second, which the universe has to "know" already at 10 to the -43 second. The slightest tinkering with a single one of scores of basic values and relationships in nature would have resulted in a universe very different from the one we inhabit - say, one with no stars like our sun, or no stars period. Far from being accidential, life appeared to be the goal toward which the entire universe from the very first moment of its existence had been orchestrated, fine-tuned.
This book was written by a one time Atheist.
Another good book is Darwin's Black Box The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe
What, you think that broken cups jump up on the table and assemble themselves? It takes effort to create order. Things are becoming more out of order all the time. Kindof goes against evolution, huh? Or do you think only the earth is evolving?
It is hard to describe a sunset to a blind man. I can tell you the colors, and what it looks like, but will you believe me because you can't see it? I think you are using a play of words. Belief or belief system. I believe there is a god, and you believe there isn't. We both have beliefs. You are willing to believe the universe can from a itty bity ball that all of a sudden decided to explode and create a universe. I think that is pretty fantastic also. So where did that itty bity ball come from?
The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.
In this context, "almost surely" is a mathematical term with a precise meaning, and the "monkey" is not an actual monkey; rather, it is a metaphor for an abstract device that produces a random sequence of letters ad infinitum. The theorem illustrates the perils of reasoning about infinity by imagining a vast but finite number, and vice versa. The probability of a monkey typing a given string of text as long as, say, Hamlet, is so tiny that, were the experiment conducted, the chance of it actually occurring during a span of time of the order of the age of the universe is minuscule but not zero.
So how many monkeys did it take to create the universe?
So, if things evolve and get more complex, how can you explain entropy?
If you assert that nature tends to take things from order to disorder and give an example or two, then you will get almost universal recognition and assent. It is a part of our common experience. Spend hours cleaning your desk, your basement, your attic, and it seems to spontaneously revert back to disorder and chaos before your eyes.
Since Adam and Eve fell from grace, things are kind of a mess. They were tempted by the devil and was told that they will become wise like God. Well, our eyes are open, and we do have freedom of choice and know right from wrong, and we've made quite a mess of it, but this is a training ground where we learn life's lessons.
And I wouldn't say that people who blow themselves up have more conviction, I would consider them just crazy. I think this would go for the crusaders as well. I can't believe that you would think that murdering innocent people is a good thing.
That's a cop out and you know it. Atheism is a belief system also. You are unwilling to stand up for your beliefs, but rather attack someone that has a different one. People are flawed, that doesn't mean that Christianity is flawed. The bible is full of stories of fallen men whom God was able to turn their lives around. That is the basis of Christianity, Gods forgiveness. Not everyone who stand in a garage is a car, nor everyone who goes to church is a Christian.
1) The argument from Design. If you found a clock and examined the mechanism within it, you would probably think that this intricate mechanism was not the outcome of mere chance, that it had been designed.
Now look at the universe; is it possible that such an intricate mechanism, from the orbits of planets round the sun to the cells in your fingernails could all have happened by chance? Surely, this enormously complex mechanism has been designed, and the being that designed it must be God.
If you can prove to me there is no God, then I'm willing to listen and believe as you believe.
So, you are saying that the other 99% of the Muslims who don't blow themselves up don't believe in their fair. Where is your logic.
I have read the Koran. The bible say seek and ye shall find knock and the door shall be opened to you. Christianity is not only based on blind faith, the bible encourages you to seek the truth. I do study other religions and other beliefs, atheist. What are you doing to learn?
I had a brother that was stabbed to death. I loved him dearly and would have been willing to take his place in a second. Only those who truly repent will get into heaven. They have to truly be sorry and willing to chance their ways. How is that hypocrisy?
I would also say it was equally a shame for the crusaders to kill and try to force the Muslims into their faith. This is not the Christian way. True Christianity believe in the freedom of will.
The answer to you question, is yes I would forgive him if was way truly sorry and became a Christian and changed his life. I know this, because I had a brother that was murdered.
There is a difference between dying for your faith and killing others for your faith. I would not say the Islamic extremists are a testament to their fair, but a shame.
Ya know, it not a matter of who's god is stronger. I have my beliefs and they have theirs.
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RE: MIRACLES OF THE QUR'AN
You have to look at the total picture. Sometimes defending your freedom, your family, or your way of life may make it necessary to battle, but God loves everyone. If you look at the 10 commandments, this first two are about love.1. Love your God will all your heart mind and soul.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
If you can do these two, all the other commandments fall into place.
You got to realize the bible is also a history book about human nature and its failings and why we need God. Not every action in the bible was approved by god, but was a story about the mistakes of people and how God was able to change their lives.
The bible says "blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called the children of God."
Sometimes we have to battle to preserve our freedom, family, or way of life, but it should be the very last option. It is better to find peaceful means to settle differences.