I have a huge amount of study to do this year; I am preparing to write a doctrine on morals and ethics, reason and conduct. I have to re-read Immanuel Kant's 'Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals', Schopenhauer's 'Basis of Morality', Spinoza's 'Ethics', Aristotle's 'N- Ethics', Plato's 'Republic' AND more . . .
(I refuse to rely on masticated philosophical interpretations - like my 'fellow' lesser mortal!!!)
If you want to learn philosophy, you learn it - from the philosophers!!!
This is an awesome thread-subject and I would have posted a large amount on it if it had been made before Christmas - I am a very miserable person myself, and a complete pessimist . . . maybe even a Nihilist.
But the greatest consolation I can give to the totally depressed is that if you think this world exists for your happiness and for you to be happy, then you are very misguided. I am quite certain that life is not something to be enjoyed but endured. And that pain is positive and pleasure negative, in so far as pleasure weakens and pain strengthens, and in so far as pain teaches - and pleasure deludes!!!
Sadness, misery, despair and desperation have been the best things I have ever known! I wish them upon you all!!!
There can be no healing where there are no wounds and better yet where there are no graves there can be no - resurrections!!!
I will be appearing less on CS, unfortunately - or fortunately, for many a lesser intellect. But I hope to post some philosophical questions that may aid me in my studies and to see people's responses and opinions. Unfortunately, the herd-minded opinions of most people on CS are of no worth to me. Maybe someone will surprise me.
That's a good way of looking at it B! And I speak only of the most heinous crimes!!!
Yours is a most interesting concept if only it hadn’t been made into a movie with Ray Latoya.
At bottom, I am with anyone who does not shy away from the fact that such heinous crimes deserve the highest punishment the law can deliver. Whatever that may be.
I am particularly with those who are for STRONGER punishments, stronger laws and stronger deterrents.
I do not really mean to kill ‘humans’ is instinct [even though in many humans it clearly has been and is], but that to kill itself is necessary and instinctual, and always has been: that people should not be so afraid of advocating death because it is ‘killing’ and killing is ‘wrong’.
Why? Because:
Thou shall not kill (that wonderful commandment issued to mankind by that old murderer Moses himself!)
Mankind has been twisted into believing MANY twisted things.
Love those who hate you.
Turn the other cheek when someone hits you.
Give everything to the poor and join them for the Kingdom of Heaven.
Judge not lest you be judged.
Well let me tell you one thing, if all Religion vanished from the face of the earth tomorrow and law remained, there’d be no problem.
But if all law vanished from the face of the earth tomorrow and only religion remained, prepare for Anarchy!
That’s how much I think of Religion. But even those who no longer believe in Religion, their minds are still stuck with the commandments/moral laws of the religions. They don't even realize it!!!
We have been sold lies for hundreds and thousands of years!!!!!, told how to think, how to rule, how to love, how to judge [not to judge], to be meek, mild, submissive, merciful to the point of absurdity etc . . .
And look at the man who established the Ten Commandments: that old murderer Moses and his rabble of murdering Jews, the chosen people of God!
Exodus 2:6-11
‘One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. The next day he went out and saw two Hebrews fighting. He asked the one in the wrong, ‘Why are you hitting your fellow Hebrew?’
The man who established the Ten Commandments . . .
My own father has killed people – he was a freedom fighter in Rhodesia – his father has killed in WWII. And his father before him.
We as people kill and eat animals, slaughter them for their fur.
But we will not kill an Inhuman being, because that might make US inhuman.
We already are. We live by consuming the living until dead.
'That way they deal with the same sort of people they are and can mame and mutilate one another. Let em cull their own herds so to speak. If they feel/think barbarianism is acceptable then let them deal with others who think and act that way. Just give them an arena to play in.'
Who is in support of this?
Why? Because you are all too afraid of the moral implications (namely upon your perfect selves) of advocating the death penalty or carrying it out?
Because you don’t want their ‘evil’ blood on your hands . . . or on your CONSCIENCE?
To the extent that you would rather advocate a state of complete anarchy on an isolated island somewhere for them? That THIS will keep YOUR hands clean and your conscience CLEAR as they gleefully mutilate and defile each other? Or form like pack-hounds against pack-hounds and produce a little hell on earth for themselves? And say: ‘let god handle them’.
You’ll pardon me if I permit myself a conceited laugh.
A man bludgeons, rapes and murders 30 beautiful young women . . . and we sit here with our weak little wills considering HIS right to live provided he is imprisoned, fed, watered, sheltered, and thus ‘punished’ for what he did [that is, when we are being realistic and not thinking about 'the island'.]
A man who has done this: . . . I do not care about his sickness, I do not care about his well being, about his ‘life’, about ‘punishing’ him, about what he ‘DESERVES’ – I care only about what he DOESN’T deserve . . .
And THAT . . . is his LIFE!
Thank God I was almost born without a conscience for those who were born COMPLETELY without one.
How many millions of lives have been taken in war; how many lives ended with the drop of a bomb (how many STILL today?) . . . in the name of ending a threat to a nation or to nations? To the world, even?
But not ONE life should [according to you people] be taken that poses or posed as much of a threat [as the one mentioned above]; and not ONE message sent out to mankind that such a man forfeits the right to live his own life because he has lived it at the pointless expense of other lives?
I’ve got no problem with advocating the death penalty - and if it pays well, of carrying it out or belonging to the process that does so.
It’s like those nice stakes you sit there eating in the restaurant: some man, somewhere, slaughters them and has their lives on HIS conscience and their blood on HIS hands so that you can have their tender meat in your belly with your wine and make love to your wife afterwards and maintain your ‘virtue’ of being a peaceful loving human being INcapable of killing . . .
To kill is instinct. To have compassion or even consideration for that which can kill you or the ones you love is dogmatic madness.
I see only two differences between the man I have alluded to above and a beast. The beast is more human, and can make a good meal.
'prison is punishment enough.. and at least if the person does turn out to be wrongly convicted they can walk out alive'
Let us also not forget that a mistake in the administration of the death penalty is not a justification for abolishing the death penalty itself.
That is like saying that if someone can be punished by mistake for something they didn’t do, then that is justification to abolish the punishment.
Why don’t we abolish imprisonment itself on these grounds, since people can be wrongfully imprisoned for the rest of their life?
In fact, someone who has been in prison for twenty years and is innocent is far more likely to mind . . . than someone who was innocent and was executed.
Maybe gallows humor is not appropriate for this thread, nevertheless – there it is.
I disagree. I know what happed in South Africa when the death penalty was abolished. It is most certainly a deterrent.
In fact, if there is anything execution is NOT, it is a punishment. Since one can learn nothing from it, therefore it is ONLY - in this sense - a deterrent. And a clarification in the mind of mankind of what is NOT tolerated.
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RE: will america choose a black muslin man or blond hair blue eyed hilary clinton woman for president ?
Hey Gilly, I have noticed that you always post very intellectual questions and get a load of idiots who answer them with nonsense.Cheese, anyone?
Don't know why my man! Just that you always post intelligent questions and are not given the credit you are due!!!