Germany: Sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees (846)
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Thanks for the post Stringman.
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GalwayGuy35: We're taking in 1800 to start with, probably more over the next few months.
More like a whole year.
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The situation at the moment is unsustainable, Europe can't continue to accept taking in these people indefinitely.[sooner or later Europe will get tired of accepting refugees/quote]
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the Australian government is the most intelligent nation,99.999% of immigrants are economic
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tomcatwarne: Britain to airstrike Syria ISIS .and Assad.
Ministers will start to make a case for British military action in Syria next week - with Downing Street keen to take the "next step" against so-called Islamic State - the BBC understands.
Sources said ministers planned to lay the groundwork for a new Commons vote.
The government plans to set out its achievements in Iraq so far with RAF air strikes and training of Kurdish and Iraqi security forces, sources said.
The BBC also understands a small force could be sent to Libya.
The team of about 20 troops would be sent to help Libya secure its borders - which is seen as a crucial step towards stemming the flows of migrants into Europe.
An MoD spokesperson commented: "The UK, along with international partners, is supporting the process to form a recognised Libyan government and we are developing plans to provide support once this is done; it is too early to discuss the exact nature of this."
IS 'degraded'
According to sources, ministers intend to argue that the mission to defeat IS now has to turn to Syria, and that the UK should play a role in that effort.
Describing the government's plans to increase its military involvement in the region, a source said: "The government is essentially posing a question: Could we do more? Should we do more? But Syria is where the fight should be taken to."
Another source added: "The government will say the campaign in Iraq has been a success. IS has been degraded, land has been taken back. Some of their leaders have been killed. But the problem is across the border in Syria."
Two years ago MPs rejected possible UK military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government.
A new parliamentary vote on the issue is not imminent, but the case will continue to be made throughout September in the run-up to the anniversary of the launch of UK airstrikes in Iraq, sources added.
They said any move to extend UK military action to Syria would only involve an extension of airstrikes against IS targets and involvement in coalition special forces operations.
The timing of the separate, small deployment to Libya is expected to depend on when Libya can form a unity government, and may be part of a broader effort. Nato is poised to go back into Libya to rebuild the country's defence and military once there is more political stability.
Cameron might bomb ISIL but he won't be going anywhere near Assad on account of the Russian air force will soon be in the air to defend Assad , I can't see any of the various "sides" wanting Assad gone , in spite of the bull coming from Kerry .Ministers will start to make a case for British military action in Syria next week - with Downing Street keen to take the "next step" against so-called Islamic State - the BBC understands.
Sources said ministers planned to lay the groundwork for a new Commons vote.
The government plans to set out its achievements in Iraq so far with RAF air strikes and training of Kurdish and Iraqi security forces, sources said.
The BBC also understands a small force could be sent to Libya.
The team of about 20 troops would be sent to help Libya secure its borders - which is seen as a crucial step towards stemming the flows of migrants into Europe.
An MoD spokesperson commented: "The UK, along with international partners, is supporting the process to form a recognised Libyan government and we are developing plans to provide support once this is done; it is too early to discuss the exact nature of this."
IS 'degraded'
According to sources, ministers intend to argue that the mission to defeat IS now has to turn to Syria, and that the UK should play a role in that effort.
Describing the government's plans to increase its military involvement in the region, a source said: "The government is essentially posing a question: Could we do more? Should we do more? But Syria is where the fight should be taken to."
Another source added: "The government will say the campaign in Iraq has been a success. IS has been degraded, land has been taken back. Some of their leaders have been killed. But the problem is across the border in Syria."
Two years ago MPs rejected possible UK military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's government.
A new parliamentary vote on the issue is not imminent, but the case will continue to be made throughout September in the run-up to the anniversary of the launch of UK airstrikes in Iraq, sources added.
They said any move to extend UK military action to Syria would only involve an extension of airstrikes against IS targets and involvement in coalition special forces operations.
The timing of the separate, small deployment to Libya is expected to depend on when Libya can form a unity government, and may be part of a broader effort. Nato is poised to go back into Libya to rebuild the country's defence and military once there is more political stability.
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lindsyjones: More like a whole year.
I'm not sure, the Government are talking today about taking in at least 5000, don't know that the timescale will be though.
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epirb: Cameron might bomb ISIL but he won't be going anywhere near Assad on account of the Russian air force will soon be in the air to defend Assad , I can't see any of the various "sides" wanting Assad gone , in spite of the bull coming from Kerry .
Assad should stay anyway - the tribal/clan societies in that part of the world need dictators, otherwise they just engage in genocide.
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epirb: Cameron might bomb ISIL but he won't be going anywhere near Assad on account of the Russian air force will soon be in the air to defend Assad , I can't see any of the various "sides" wanting
Assad gone , in spite of the bull coming from Kerry .
11Assad gone , in spite of the bull coming from Kerry .
We,ll see remember British special forces are going in to.
And we have States back up.
How near to ww3 are e???
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Capricorn143: Assad should stay anyway - the tribal/clan societies in that part of the world need dictators, otherwise they just engage in genocide.
He will be , Russians back crooks but not losers , Israel would rather Assad was there , so he will stay . Its hard to see Assad getting the Golan heights back any time soon as he was close to , but with inshallah any thing is possible .------ This thread is Archived ------
tomcatwarne: 11
We,ll see remember British special forces are going in to.
And we have States back up.
How near to ww3 are e???
one air to air missile strike away from serious trouble .We,ll see remember British special forces are going in to.
And we have States back up.
How near to ww3 are e???
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avocado10: The situation at the moment is unsustainable, Europe can't continue to accept taking in these people indefinitely.[sooner or later Europe will get tired of accepting refugees/quote]
That's for sure. The question is when will it stop.
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tomcatwarne: 11
We,ll see remember British special forces are going in to.
And we have States back up.
How near to ww3 are e???
We,ll see remember British special forces are going in to.
And we have States back up.
How near to ww3 are e???
This is a precedence if all major economic and military power countries get involved.
For right now it looks isolated in Europe. China and Russia would have no interest in jumping in.
But you never know, if there's to be gained by them, sure, WW3 in the making.
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lindsyjones: I was reading the Wall Street yesterday and I was a little confused why Germany all of a sudden has implemented an open policy on the entrance of Syrian Refugees.
They started accommodating all of them regardless as to what country they landed on from Europe.
Any ideas? Don't get me wrong, I am just curious as to why the sudden change.
They started accommodating all of them regardless as to what country they landed on from Europe.
Any ideas? Don't get me wrong, I am just curious as to why the sudden change.
economics 01. basic
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Bogart_1960: economics 01. basic
i will explain a bit more. look demographics- Population growth rate (%).
"In its most recent census, Germany discovered it had lost 1.5 million inhabitants. By 2060, experts say, the country could shrink by an additional 19 percent, to about 66 million.".... "people" means "monies" produced.
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avocado10: the Australian government is the most intelligent nation,99.999% of immigrants are economic
They're turning all the boat people back.
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Bogart_1960: i will explain a bit more. look demographics- Population growth rate (%).
"In its most recent census, Germany discovered it had lost 1.5 million inhabitants. By 2060, experts say, the country could shrink by an additional 19 percent, to about 66 million.".... "people" means "monies" produced.
"In its most recent census, Germany discovered it had lost 1.5 million inhabitants. By 2060, experts say, the country could shrink by an additional 19 percent, to about 66 million.".... "people" means "monies" produced.
So the solution is just to replace the original population?
OK let's empty the resource richest continent and ME.
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Capricorn143: So the solution is just to replace the original population?
OK let's empty the resource richest continent and ME.
OK let's empty the resource richest continent and ME.
I hope he'll respond Capri.
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lindsyjones: I hope he'll respond Capri.
The British will fight back and get the traitors to Britain.
These attacks were planned and targetted.
Two British Islamic State jihadists who died in Syria were killed by an RAF drone strike, David Cameron has said.
Cardiff-born Reyaad Khan, 21, and Ruhul Amin, from Aberdeen, died last month in Raqqa, alongside another fighter, in the first targeted UK drone attack on a British citizen, Mr Cameron told MPs.
Khan - the target - had been plotting "barbaric" attacks on UK soil, he said.
The "act of self defence" was lawful, despite MPs previously ruling out UK military action in Syria, the PM said.
Khan was killed in a precision strike on 21 August by a remotely piloted aircraft, "after meticulous planning", while he was travelling in a vehicle.
Another British national, Junaid Hussain, 21 and from Birmingham, was killed in a separate air strike by US forces in Raqqa on 24 August, Mr Cameron confirmed.
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An excellent analysis of the madness of the situation in Europe in huffingtonpost, excerpt from the article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-barber/magnetic-migration_b_8091270.html)
Now come the tens and hundreds of thousands of Afghans, Syrians, Iraqis and others asking - no, demanding - an apartment and a job in Germany or Sweden. One of them warned reporters "we are coming" as if to say: "don't try and stop us."
The problem is this: Once the million or more migrants on the move today get to the wealthy countries they aim for, it will spark tens of millions more in poor countries to sell their land, leave the village and take to the sea in leaky boats.
But there is a way to protect and support both refugees and economic migrants without opening the floodgates of illegal and unsupervised migration as poor people rush to Europe for the chance of jobs, electricity, clean water and other middle class comforts.
According to the international laws enshrined in the UN Covenant on Refugees, those fleeing their homeland who can prove a "well-found fear of persecution" because of their race, religion, or political views are entitled to UN protection in the country closest to their homeland. That means secure and safe places to live, shelter from the elements, food and water - such as provided in refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, Kenya, etc.
Certainly an apartment in Munich is a better deal than a tent in the Middle East. But by yielding to demands for an apartment, European authorities have created a huge magnet that is drawing perhaps millions from sub-Saharan Africa and Pakistan - from countries where there is no security threat or persecution other than the undeveloped state of poor, developing nations.
Why are they allowed to demand?
That's the question.