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Apr 30, 2009 4:38 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
lerald: That's not the gun laws problem, it's the incompetent parenting of the children who do the killing. Our county is losing the battle of morals and as a result you have a disrespect for human life.


I have a disrespect ?

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Apr 30, 2009 4:40 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
lerald
leraldleraldCleveland, Ohio USA4 Threads 2 Polls 180 Posts
vinny1967: I have a disrespect ?


No, not you! I'm saying that when kids are brought up without morals, they don't fully understand the value of a human life.
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Apr 30, 2009 4:41 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Statistics: Gun Violence in Our Communities

School Safety
Less than 1% of all homicides among school-aged children (5-19 years of age) occur in or around school grounds or on the way to and from school. (Centers for Disease Control, 1997)

Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)

Guns in the Wrong Hands
Faulty records enable terrorists, illegal aliens and criminals to purchase guns. Over a two and a half-year period, at least 9,976 convicted felons and other illegal buyers in 46 states obtained guns because of inadequate records. (Broken Records, Americans for Gun Safety Foundation)

School Safety

* Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)
* In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)
* Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)
* The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

Children and Gun Violence

* America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
* In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

America and Gun Violence

* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

Taken from.......http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafety/gunsafety/statistics.htm........

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I just thought it would be worth posting this again......frustrated
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Apr 30, 2009 4:43 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
lerald: No, not you! I'm saying that when kids are brought up without morals, they don't fully understand the value of a human life.


thumbs up

I do agree that there are other factors that would also help, like education.

However I originally answered the OP by saying that banning guns would help and I still think it would.



cheers
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Apr 30, 2009 4:47 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967: Do you think there would be less killing in the schools of the US if there wasnt the culture and Laws that there are Con....

I completely understand that it is part of the culture there, and I do respect that............believe me.

What I find incredible is that people won't admit that there are needless killings in the US because of the gun laws.
There are all sorts of Laws on the Books in the US.
Problem is that Liberal Judges slap the Wrist of Offenders.
A Federal Law states,a mandatory Sentence of ten Years,plus a hefty Fine,when Committing a Felony with a Firearm,and that is in Addition to Sanctions against the Criminal by Individual States.
Except the Statute is rarely invoked.
It is easier to call for the Curtailment of Individual Right,because that accomplishes more!devil
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Apr 30, 2009 4:48 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
lerald
leraldleraldCleveland, Ohio USA4 Threads 2 Polls 180 Posts
vinny1967: I do agree that there are other factors that would also help, like education.

However I originally answered the OP by saying that banning guns would help and I still think it would.


It might help a little, but you cant just say that since there has been a few school shootings in the country that 300 million people cant have guns. That would be like saying that since 19 muslim hijackers killed 3000 people on 9/11 we are now banning Islam. Just doesn't make sense.

Plus I hear that Britain has a youth stabbing epidemic quite like Americas gun violence. So even if we took away all the guns, people will do what people do.
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Apr 30, 2009 4:48 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
vinny1967: Completely agree with you ZEE.

But in keeping with the OP there would be far less killin in your schools if Guns were completely banned.

Yeah / No...........


Far less? Did you know there are a 10,000 times more stabbings in schools than shootings?

If you get your facts strictly from the US media you are no better than a tabloid journalist.

zee
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Apr 30, 2009 4:49 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967: I do agree that there are other factors that would also help, like education.

However I originally answered the OP by saying that banning guns would help and I still think it would.
And how do you propose to BAN Guns?laugh dunno
Any Mechanic worth the Salt in his morning Grits can build one! Plus the Ammo!laugh
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Apr 30, 2009 4:54 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
vinny1967: I do agree that there are other factors that would also help, like education.

However I originally answered the OP by saying that banning guns would help and I still think it would.


Banning guns would not get guns off the street. Are there not still shootings in the UK since the gun ban? Can you explain that? How can there be shootings when there are no guns? Makes no sense to me.

It is the choice of Americans to keep guns legal. Simple fact. When the Majority of Americans feel it is time to ban guns it will be banned. This is the beauty of having freedoms.

Americans also have the right NOT to own a gun.... thank god for the victims.

zee
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Apr 30, 2009 5:05 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Again I will say it Con. I respect the gun Laws of the US as I really do think its part of their culture.

I just think its naive of anyone to think that, because of the ease and accessibility of guns, there are needless killings.

And I'n not going to get sidetracked as You still didnt answer the question.........tongue

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Apr 30, 2009 5:07 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
lerald: It might help a little, but you cant just say that since there has been a few school shootings in the country that 300 million people cant have guns. That would be like saying that since 19 muslim hijackers killed 3000 people on 9/11 we are now banning Islam. Just doesn't make sense.


I dont think its like saying that at all.

lerald: Plus I hear that Britain has a youth stabbing epidemic quite like Americas gun violence. So even if we took away all the guns, people will do what people do.


thumbs up

Yep people will do what people do, but far less will die.
Check out the stats I posted.
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Apr 30, 2009 5:09 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
lerald
leraldleraldCleveland, Ohio USA4 Threads 2 Polls 180 Posts
vinny1967: Again I will say it Con. I respect the gun Laws of the US as I really do think its part of their culture.

I just think its naive of anyone to think that, because of the ease and accessibility of guns, there are needless killings.

And I'n not going to get sidetracked as You still didnt answer the question.........


Everybody I know owns a gun. Not one of them or their family members or friends they have has ever shot up a school. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that everyone I know was brought up to respect human life and respect guns. The children who are killing other kids are doomed even if they had no guns. Those are the kids who become life long criminals.
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Apr 30, 2009 5:09 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967: Again I will say it Con. I respect the gun Laws of the US as I really do think its part of their culture.

I just think its naive of anyone to think that, because of the ease and accessibility of guns, there are needless killings.

And I'n not going to get sidetracked as You still didnt answer the question.........
Told you,Every Mechanic worth his Salt.........!grin
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Apr 30, 2009 5:10 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
zee1ander
zee1anderzee1anderSomewhere, Kentucky USA52 Threads 4 Polls 1,758 Posts
vinny1967: Again I will say it Con. I respect the gun Laws of the US as I really do think its part of their culture.

I just think its naive of anyone to think that, because of the ease and accessibility of guns, there are needless killings.

And I'n not going to get sidetracked as You still didnt answer the question.........


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You are the only one. Not even the law makers have respect for the gun laws here.

I do know what you mean. Law makers just need to make them make more sense.

zee
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Apr 30, 2009 5:10 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
Tumpa
TumpaTumpaottawa, Ontario Canada88 Threads 7,091 Posts
lerald: Everybody I know owns a gun. Not one of them or their family members or friends they have has ever shot up a school. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that everyone I know was brought up to respect human life and respect guns. The children who are killing other kids are doomed even if they had no guns. Those are the kids who become life long criminals.


Weird. I know very few people who own firearms.
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Apr 30, 2009 5:11 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Conrad73: And how do you propose to BAN Guns?
Any Mechanic worth the Salt in his morning Grits can build one! Plus the Ammo!


I am not proposing anything Con.
Just stating an opinion.

And the stats back it up.

I mean even if a ban came in now, it would problaby take a Big Brother state, with house searches for a century to retrieve them.......laugh

I do respect the culture of gun ownership Con, but its also fact that there are more people and children killed in the US compared to other Western Industrialised Nations, because of the gun laws.
I have yet to see anybody who is pro gun admit it though...........laugh
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Apr 30, 2009 5:13 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
lerald
leraldleraldCleveland, Ohio USA4 Threads 2 Polls 180 Posts
Tumpa: Weird. I know very few people who own firearms.


Well there are many different cultures even in the U.S. So just because guns are a part of my culture doesnt mean that all Americans are the same as me. I grew up hunting and fishing and guns are just a part of that culture in the states.
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Apr 30, 2009 5:15 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
Tumpa: Weird. I know very few people who own firearms.
come to America and I will introduce you to a bunch, all of my neighbors. Maybe we should stop worrying about the guns that are used to do these shootings and start worrying about the people that do the shooting, sorta like the people that are posting here in the CS forums and think they can run the world better than our leaders can .......rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 30, 2009 5:15 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
zee1ander: Banning guns would not get guns off the street. Are there not still shootings in the UK since the gun ban? Can you explain that? How can there be shootings when there are no guns? Makes no sense to me.

It is the choice of Americans to keep guns legal. Simple fact. When the Majority of Americans feel it is time to ban guns it will be banned. This is the beauty of having freedoms.

Americans also have the right NOT to own a gun.... thank god for the victims.

zee


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Mostly agree ZEE.......Yes there are shootings in the UK and Ireland, just nowhere near as many as the US.

All I'm saying is there are advantages and disadvantages to the liberal gun laws in the US and one of the disadvantages is needless killings.

And again your Nation has the right to won or not to own, or to change laws rhat suit the majority and I do respect that.

beer
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Apr 30, 2009 5:16 AM CST MASS SHOOTING
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
zee1ander: You are the only one. Not even the law makers have respect for the gun laws here.

I do know what you mean. Law makers just need to make them make more sense.

zee


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