MASS SHOOTING (253)
romeo22Bangkok, Central Thailand Thailand54 Threads 2 Polls 132 PostsDo you think before institutions admit student in a school or any institutions, psychologist MUST crosscheck their prospective students psychological health?..can can authorities stop mass shooting?..should we sit down and loose our loved ones, families, our intellectuals?
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romeo22: Do you think before institutions admit student in a school or any institutions, psychologist MUST crosscheck their prospective students psychological health?..can can authorities stop mass shooting?..should we sit down and loose our loved ones, families, our intellectuals?
****How can authorities stop mass shooting?
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morgan5: Hi buzzy but you couldn't do that in schools
Hey Morgan, how are you?
You can arm teachers, administators and other staff. As sad as it sounds, hire armed guards to patrol schools. Something has to be done.------ This thread is Archived ------
buzzy: Hey Morgan, how are you? You can arm teachers, administators and other staff. As sad as it sounds, hire armed guards to patrol schools. Something has to be done.
Hi buzzy i'm good thanks 
it sounds such an awful solution 
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gozoman2: There is no easy one around.....
...all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
...all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
Here you can have the gun laws, but there are too many guns around. The criminlas would keep them even if they are illegal. Then where are we. Back to the same place. We not only need better laws, but also the judical system that will give stiffer sentencing. Can anyone say, DEATH PENALTY? Oh but that is cruel and unusally punishment. Fine then, give me a gun!
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buzzy: You can arm teachers, administators and other staff. As sad as it sounds, hire armed guards to patrol schools. Something has to be done.
This is the worst argument ever. I'm a teacher. I would never be armed, at school or anywhere else. I don't want any of colleagues to be armed, not the administrators, and especially not "other staff," and, in fact, not anyone on a school campus. It is ironic to me that invariably those who propose this measure are not the ones who are in the schools day in and day out with the kids. How could anyone really think the best thing to do is to turn schools into armed camps? This is a social issue that needs to be dealt with from it's impetus, not to be dealt with in a simplistic reactionary manner.------ This thread is Archived ------
buzzy: Here you can have the gun laws, but there are too many guns around. The criminlas would keep them even if they are illegal. Then where are we. Back to the same place. We not only need better laws, but also the judical system that will give stiffer sentencing. Can anyone say, DEATH PENALTY? Oh but that is cruel and unusally punishment. Fine then, give me a gun!
Agreed.
I don't think it is now possible for the US to establish stringent gun control....they are there and one has to somehow find the balance.
Ain't easy.....especially once the concept that one has the right to shoot someone is so ingrained in the overall mentality.
But back to the original concept of this thread....it would be very nearly impossible to implement control in all schools, all corridors, and all classrooms.....even by arming all teachers and janitors and whatever else one may throw in...
I also believe that implementing such 'solutions' would only ingrain further the concept that solving problems lie with owning a gun.....which is the root problem to begin with.
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gozoman2: There is no easy one around.....
...all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
Banning fire arms is not the answer. Criminals will still have them and all it will do is make the defenseless an easy target, and more for the pickings....all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
Where I live, I can carry a side arm on my hip and there is practically no crimes committed around here at all.
There has to be a better answer.
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amelia7: This is the worst argument ever. I'm a teacher. I would never be armed, at school or anywhere else. I don't want any of colleagues to be armed, not the administrators, and especially not "other staff," and, in fact, not anyone on a school campus. It is ironic to me that invariably those who propose this measure are not the ones who are in the schools day in and day out with the kids. How could anyone really think the best thing to do is to turn schools into armed camps? This is a social issue that needs to be dealt with from it's impetus, not to be dealt with in a simplistic reactionary manner.
Exactly....
This is the major difference between the mentality of this issue between the US and Europe....
In the US, the prevalent mentality seems to say solve the issue by arming people.....
In Europe, we tend to go for making guns illegal and educating....
we still get the odd crazy macho who creates havoc and caused death.....but far less in number then what goes on in the US where guns are freely available.
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gozoman2: Agreed.
I don't think it is now possible for the US to establish stringent gun control....they are there and one has to somehow find the balance.
Ain't easy.....especially once the concept that one has the right to shoot someone is so ingrained in the overall mentality.
But back to the original concept of this thread....it would be very nearly impossible to implement control in all schools, all corridors, and all classrooms.....even by arming all teachers and janitors and whatever else one may throw in...
I also believe that implementing such 'solutions' would only ingrain further the concept that solving problems lie with owning a gun.....which is the root problem to begin with.
I don't think it is now possible for the US to establish stringent gun control....they are there and one has to somehow find the balance.
Ain't easy.....especially once the concept that one has the right to shoot someone is so ingrained in the overall mentality.
But back to the original concept of this thread....it would be very nearly impossible to implement control in all schools, all corridors, and all classrooms.....even by arming all teachers and janitors and whatever else one may throw in...
I also believe that implementing such 'solutions' would only ingrain further the concept that solving problems lie with owning a gun.....which is the root problem to begin with.
Arming teachers and especially janitors (and no disrespect to them, my father was a janitor, though not in a school---but janitors are not trained professionals in dealing with children) is CRAZY.
In the States, there are some schools that have security all day or part of the day. If those people are well trained, allowing them to have access to a firearm, not carry it around the school but have access to it, might be reasonable. But to arm faculty, admin, staff is insane.
The best solution is to place in all schools security people who are trained professionals, trained not only in security but in dealing with young people. They are visable and present on the campus all day long. Then mingle constantly with the kids. Kids talk. A school is like a small town, everybody knows everything about everyone else...as far as the student population. These people generally know how to get the trust of most of the kids. They can know almost everything that is going on beneath surface. If there is reason to become concerned about the behavior of some students, they are usually able to suss it out and deal with it.
I have taught in schools who have full time security people who do this. They do not carry firearms. They are armed with brains, training, and understanding of teenagers and adolescents. Why such people are not in every school in the nation has to do with money, plain and simple.
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i aint going there again....we have already debated this topic a million times and you all know my thoughts......the horse is not only flogged to death but its rotting corpse is stinking......
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romeo22: Do you think before institutions admit student in a school or any institutions, psychologist MUST crosscheck their prospective students psychological health?..can can authorities stop mass shooting?..should we sit down and loose our loved ones, families, our intellectuals?
Nah.........just admit people by their names is enough - if named 'Robert' or 'Gertrude' they are 'ok' if named something weird like 'Romeo' don't let 'em in!
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rocketqueen: i aint going there again....we have already debated this topic a million times and you all know my thoughts......the horse is not only flogged to death but its rotting corpse is stinking......
And I still carry my firearm freely....but I didn't shoot the horse! 
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amelia7: Teachers are only allowed to make recommendations. The doctors are the ones prescribing the drugs, not the teachers. As far as teachers molesting children: the percentage of this in actual fact is extremely small but is blown out of proportion in the media, as is the level of gun violence in schools.
If you think teachers need regular psychological testing, then go to your city or state or country officials and ask for such a thing. I think it is probably not too effective as psychological testing is not a very accurate way to predict a lot of behavior, and that is probably why it isn't done. The state of things in American schools seems to be very poor, and am extremely glad I don't have to teach in them any more, but I think the worst thing that is going on is that the community and parents no longer support the schools, teachers and administrations, but consider them adversaries for some reason.
If you think teachers need regular psychological testing, then go to your city or state or country officials and ask for such a thing. I think it is probably not too effective as psychological testing is not a very accurate way to predict a lot of behavior, and that is probably why it isn't done. The state of things in American schools seems to be very poor, and am extremely glad I don't have to teach in them any more, but I think the worst thing that is going on is that the community and parents no longer support the schools, teachers and administrations, but consider them adversaries for some reason.
thank you.... you made my point exactly. I think that teaching is one of the noblest professions and you hit the nail on the head with every point.
The problem I see with allowing recommendations is that teacher are very influential and parents tent to follow blindly these recommendations.
zee
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rocketqueen: i aint going there again....we have already debated this topic a million times and you all know my thoughts......the horse is not only flogged to death but its rotting corpse is stinking......
Agreed,but i will say this however , the state lottos were supposed to be for support of schools and such activities ,when I was in school we had everything all subjects and all sports, then things statred gettinr cut ,sooo they said that lets do a lotto and we can pay for everything ,but lo and behold things are still being cut. I was just a scam to get legal gambling,this is where the trouble lays ,the wons that run everything are just scammers and liers.I really would like to know where all that lotto money goes?------ This thread is Archived ------
rocketqueen: i aint going there again....we have already debated this topic a million times and you all know my thoughts......the horse is not only flogged to death but its rotting corpse is stinking......
Very good point yet again.
zee
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jessejess47: Agreed,but i will say this however , the state lottos were supposed to be for support of schools and such activities ,when I was in school we had everything all subjects and all sports, then things statred gettinr cut ,sooo they said that lets do a lotto and we can pay for everything ,but lo and behold things are still being cut. I was just a scam to get legal gambling,this is where the trouble lays ,the wons that run everything are just scammers and liers.I really would like to know where all that lotto money goes?
sorry about the typos I am still on my first coffee...
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YouMeUs: And I still carry my firearm freely....but I didn't shoot the horse!
zee
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buzzy: Hey Morgan, how are you? You can arm teachers, administators and other staff. As sad as it sounds, hire armed guards to patrol schools. Something has to be done.
Perhaps it is my niaivity of living in a country where we dont believe guns should be so readily available but, instead of trying to arm the world shouldnt we be trying to remove guns from the world instead, and reduce the risk of our young people having access to them ??
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Whooops: Perhaps it is my niaivity of living in a country where we dont believe guns should be so readily available but, instead of trying to arm the world shouldnt we be trying to remove guns from the world instead, and reduce the risk of our young people having access to them ??
Great plan! Now how do you propose we disarm all the criminals whenever they keep their weapons so concealed and untraceable?------ This thread is Archived ------
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