MASS SHOOTING (253)
PeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 PostsI know I said I wasn't going to get into this one but.......oh well
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PeachesandRay: My father kept his guns in the closet and us kids were taught gun safety by him, in Scouting and Hunter Safety course. If we ever touched his guns without permission, we were in big trouble
One of the things that was there that isn't now, is the right of a parent to discipline their children the way they see fit. My parents didn't believe in hitting us but we knew they could if we did something wrong. Today, you attempt to hit a child and social services gets called in
Some seem to think that just because someone gets mad, the guns are pulled. These situations are few and far apart
I've said it before and I'll say it again, gun bans DO NOT work (statistics prove it). We need stiffer penalties for the use of a deadly weapon in a crime.
Earl
One of the things that was there that isn't now, is the right of a parent to discipline their children the way they see fit. My parents didn't believe in hitting us but we knew they could if we did something wrong. Today, you attempt to hit a child and social services gets called in
Some seem to think that just because someone gets mad, the guns are pulled. These situations are few and far apart
I've said it before and I'll say it again, gun bans DO NOT work (statistics prove it). We need stiffer penalties for the use of a deadly weapon in a crime.
Earl
and there in lies the problem earl.........some kids get to them, and do stupid stuff.........
BTW your input is valued and commendable, by me and the other members......so keep posting
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It is absolutely true that if you take guns from law abiding responsible people, only criminals will have them. If people were allowed to be armed AND be allowed to defend themselves criminals would think twice about preying on innocent people. This isn't a maybe, or a possibly, or a wish, it is the truth.
...all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
WRONG, even in the UK where the gun laws are ridiculous, there is still gun crime, and where criminals can't get guns they use knives.
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
WRONG, you may not hear much about is, but I'm sure it happens. It would be played down at any rate so everyone believes that the policy works.
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
WRONG, Most guns that are out on the streets are illegally obtained, most often by irresponsible storage or from over State our Country boundaries. Harsher crimes for improper storage would help in this case.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
Again (Mostly caused by improper storage). Dad is responsible.
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
WRONG if guns aren't available other weapons will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
That is a foolish statement.
That happened in Germany, didn't work out so well for the Jews.
...all I know is in countries where the gun mania does not exist, shootings are less common....
WRONG, even in the UK where the gun laws are ridiculous, there is still gun crime, and where criminals can't get guns they use knives.
...over here we have some of the more stringent gun control laws around....and nobody shoots nobody.....very rarely do we have incidents including guns.....
WRONG, you may not hear much about is, but I'm sure it happens. It would be played down at any rate so everyone believes that the policy works.
...it does seem to me however, that the free availability of weapons makes it easier for anybody to use them....whether sane or insane...as the case may be.
WRONG, Most guns that are out on the streets are illegally obtained, most often by irresponsible storage or from over State our Country boundaries. Harsher crimes for improper storage would help in this case.
The most recent episode on this end was in Germany.....and the kid who did it took the guns from his father's collection at home...
Again (Mostly caused by improper storage). Dad is responsible.
which brings me to think that once available , arms will be used.
WRONG if guns aren't available other weapons will be used.
I prefer the concept of making guns unavailable to the general population.
That is a foolish statement.
That happened in Germany, didn't work out so well for the Jews.
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Conrad73: Ever faced anyone wielding a half-meter Razorblade?
No, but I bet if I did with a group of other people, more of us would survive than against someone with a machine gun.
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I think it's irrelevant where you are if you have a valid permit to carry. Obviously you were checked out and found competent to own and carry a firearm, so what difference should it make if you are in school versus a restaurant or store? The fact is most schools are bastions of Liberal teaching and let's face it, most often Liberals don't like or agree with being able to carry a gun.
Like it or not, in the case of mass shootings if there were armed people in the vicinity there WOULD have been a good chance that these murders would have gotten taken out. That's just the way it is.
The same goes for Pilots. If Pilots were armed, 9/11 never would have happened. You don't go to a gunfight with a box cutter.
Like it or not, in the case of mass shootings if there were armed people in the vicinity there WOULD have been a good chance that these murders would have gotten taken out. That's just the way it is.
The same goes for Pilots. If Pilots were armed, 9/11 never would have happened. You don't go to a gunfight with a box cutter.
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Oh, please. You want to judge Americans on some second rate rapper. Grow up. If you think defending yourself with a firearm is heroics, well, obviously you have never needed to.
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Well second rate rapper he may be but it's what the rest of the world is seeing.
If you don't want to worry about Americas image, that doesn't bother me.
I am speaking purely for myself.
I take notice that you didn't comment on the NRA guys words?
If you don't want to worry about Americas image, that doesn't bother me.
I am speaking purely for myself.
I take notice that you didn't comment on the NRA guys words?
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PeachesandRay: From what I gather with that statement, we Americans deserve it when someone gets shot. We do not glorify violence and never will
Our national anthem glorifies violence. And I believe it is the only national anthem that does! I am not saying it is not a beautiful song, but it does glorify violence. Look at our arts, movies, and history, and tell me again that Americans do not glorify violence
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bradlee: Our national anthem glorifies violence. And I believe it is the only national anthem that does! I am not saying it is not a beautiful song, but it does glorify violence. Look at our arts, movies, and history, and tell me again that Americans do not glorify violence
Agreed and Ireland itself has had it's fair share of violence, no country is exempt and I am in no way anti American.
My sister and nieces are American citizens and I worry.
As anyone would.
What I am trying to say is that a monster was created. It's happened in a few other places but not to the intensity it has done in the States.
I mean one has to take a step back and wonder if their society played a part.
It's the responsible thing to do.
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Back in 2008 A West Virginia Senator Billy Wayne Baily sponsored a bill to consider to teach school children a safety course on how to safely handle a gun and the proper use of firearms.All weapons would be disabled so there would be no chance of discharging,Senator Wayne claimed.He stated at that time he spoke to the AFP that the courses would be imparted in secondary schools from the 8th to 10th grade(13-16 yrs of age.
The Senator also stated that weapons would not be able to fire. He also stated that firearm safety, proper handling , legal obligations ,even basic markmanship can & should be taught in schools. He went on to say that it was only through education that people can be taught to properly respect & handle firearms.It's better than teaching kids guns are bad.Every student should be able to properly fire a handgun/rife safely. But.... I also think that parents should be able to opt their kids out of the program as well.
Well I don't know if Senator Baily's bill ever passed cause I never tried to find out.
Plus I don't know if I'd want to see these kinds of courses taught in ours school today anyway.
Today we have No more prayer in schools; more violence in schools, police officers patrolling school hallways; drug use, lower standard scores....the list goes on and on a long way.One time I heard a news story where a student was being bullied in school and so the mother provided her son with a gun to take back to school to deal with the bullies.
I remember when I was in high school our school had gun safety instructors come into my school & we shot skeets & we learned gun safety.When I was growing up I don't recall any accidental shootings cause everyone, even the girls and women, knew how to safely handle a firearm.
Safety and responsibility for ones' own actions were taught in controlled environments. Plus my parents taught me and brothers gun safety at home as well and we were never ever allowed to touch one of my parents guns which were always locked in a gun closet without their permission or we were in for big time trouble.
The Senator also stated that weapons would not be able to fire. He also stated that firearm safety, proper handling , legal obligations ,even basic markmanship can & should be taught in schools. He went on to say that it was only through education that people can be taught to properly respect & handle firearms.It's better than teaching kids guns are bad.Every student should be able to properly fire a handgun/rife safely. But.... I also think that parents should be able to opt their kids out of the program as well.
Well I don't know if Senator Baily's bill ever passed cause I never tried to find out.
Plus I don't know if I'd want to see these kinds of courses taught in ours school today anyway.
Today we have No more prayer in schools; more violence in schools, police officers patrolling school hallways; drug use, lower standard scores....the list goes on and on a long way.One time I heard a news story where a student was being bullied in school and so the mother provided her son with a gun to take back to school to deal with the bullies.
I remember when I was in high school our school had gun safety instructors come into my school & we shot skeets & we learned gun safety.When I was growing up I don't recall any accidental shootings cause everyone, even the girls and women, knew how to safely handle a firearm.
Safety and responsibility for ones' own actions were taught in controlled environments. Plus my parents taught me and brothers gun safety at home as well and we were never ever allowed to touch one of my parents guns which were always locked in a gun closet without their permission or we were in for big time trouble.
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bradlee: Our national anthem glorifies violence. And I believe it is the only national anthem that does! I am not saying it is not a beautiful song, but it does glorify violence. Look at our arts, movies, and history, and tell me again that Americans do not glorify violence
I think that as humans in general we glorify violence. I think that at any one time, in the human race maybe 50% of the population, if not more, have a violent bent. Our history of warfare, right back to our cave days, illustrates that. When it comes to expressing ourselves, the vioent ones do so in a more dominant way, so that violence seems to be the norm. Those of us that disagree with violent reactions to situations would therefore appear to be in the minority, when perhaps, that isn't necessarily the case. While I believe that the pacifists amongst us are in the majority, I also believe that the very thing that makes us pacifists, also makes us pushovers, so that the war mongers amonsgst us find their outlet without resistance. At the moment, while in Australia, we are at peace, there is a major internal struggle relating to our motorcycle gangs, which illustrates this point dramatically. They are fighting, killing each other, flaunting the laws of the country, Having orders coming from overseas to kill on sight, and just generally being badly behaved citizens of this country. I am sure that it is not just the motor cycle gangs either. There are bound to be other groups that are plotting against the good of the country. Unfortunatley it is human nature. At any one time there will always be someone that is plotting against the good of the community for the good of themselves.
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Do I sound like an idiot?
I value myself in not being one.
Violence will always exist. I am not saying that banning guns will solve much, there will always be a way around it.
What I am trying to get across is however, that your society is liable.
If it weren't of a higher intensity in the States, my argument would be void.
Look at all the instances, if all I do today is make one person realize that negligence of society played a part in this, I'll be happy.
It's stationary views like yours that fuels this absolutely useless argument.
It's a case of we must fight the enemy by being armed the same as them without ever thinking why they became an enemy in the first place.
It's dealing with the problem from ground level without ever trying to seek out it's roots.
I value myself in not being one.
Violence will always exist. I am not saying that banning guns will solve much, there will always be a way around it.
What I am trying to get across is however, that your society is liable.
If it weren't of a higher intensity in the States, my argument would be void.
Look at all the instances, if all I do today is make one person realize that negligence of society played a part in this, I'll be happy.
It's stationary views like yours that fuels this absolutely useless argument.
It's a case of we must fight the enemy by being armed the same as them without ever thinking why they became an enemy in the first place.
It's dealing with the problem from ground level without ever trying to seek out it's roots.
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tgwstw: Well second rate rapper he may be but it's what the rest of the world is seeing.
If you don't want to worry about Americas image, that doesn't bother me.
I am speaking purely for myself.
I take notice that you didn't comment on the NRA guys words?
If you don't want to worry about Americas image, that doesn't bother me.
I am speaking purely for myself.
I take notice that you didn't comment on the NRA guys words?
I may not be a member of the NRA but I agree with this statement;
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
-Wayne LaPierre, NRA Executive Vice President
I believe a criminal would think twice about harming someone if most law abiding people were armed
Earl
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buzzy: Hey Morgan, how are you? You can arm teachers, administators and other staff. As sad as it sounds, hire armed guards to patrol schools. Something has to be done.
Where I live things are really getting bad, if the school staff was armed, I would have to agree the kids would be more safe than they are now.
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PeachesandRay: Watch the language if you want people to give you credibility
Earl
Earl
Oh lord, Ireland is so not PC regarding language.
Second nature to me.
But I understand your point and I don't want to earn anyone's credibility, I know my point of view is valid.
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a sign in back window of a truck, I CARRY A 357 THREE DAYS A WEEK YOU FIGURE OUT WHICH THREE ORE YOU FEELING LUCKY TODAY bet he has no trouble with car jackers
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caspatch: a sign in back window of a truck, I CARRY A 357 THREE DAYS A WEEK YOU FIGURE OUT WHICH THREE ORE YOU FEELING LUCKY TODAY bet he has no trouble with car jackers
I had one on the bumper of a van I once owned
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I sound like an idiot?
I value myself in not being one.
Violence will always exist. I am not saying that banning guns will solve much, there will always be a way around it.
What I am trying to get across is however, that your society is liable.
If it weren't of a higher intensity in the States, my argument would be void.
Look at all the instances, if all I do today is make one person realize that negligence of society played a part in this, I'll be happy.
It's stationary views like yours that fuels this absolutely useless argument.
It's a case of we must fight the enemy by being armed the same as them without ever thinking why they became an enemy in the first place.
It's dealing with the problem from ground level without ever trying to seek out it's roots.
You tgtstw,
It is nice to desire to get to the root of the violence, but, from my viewpoint, a person needs to be realistic more than they need to be idealistic.
If you have a murderous person who has decided to kill you and others for whatever reason, there isn't much that can be done except remove the threat.
Why do Muslim fundamentalists want to kill everyone who is not a Muslim?? You can think about that and make your conclusion, but it doesn't change the situation.
Why do people full of hate want to kill classmates, teachers, police, you, and anyone else? Because they were bullied at some point? Fine, try to stop kids from being bullies. But once a person emerges as a killer, you have to stop them.
So try to be more realistic. Life will be easier.
I value myself in not being one.
Violence will always exist. I am not saying that banning guns will solve much, there will always be a way around it.
What I am trying to get across is however, that your society is liable.
If it weren't of a higher intensity in the States, my argument would be void.
Look at all the instances, if all I do today is make one person realize that negligence of society played a part in this, I'll be happy.
It's stationary views like yours that fuels this absolutely useless argument.
It's a case of we must fight the enemy by being armed the same as them without ever thinking why they became an enemy in the first place.
It's dealing with the problem from ground level without ever trying to seek out it's roots.
You tgtstw,
It is nice to desire to get to the root of the violence, but, from my viewpoint, a person needs to be realistic more than they need to be idealistic.
If you have a murderous person who has decided to kill you and others for whatever reason, there isn't much that can be done except remove the threat.
Why do Muslim fundamentalists want to kill everyone who is not a Muslim?? You can think about that and make your conclusion, but it doesn't change the situation.
Why do people full of hate want to kill classmates, teachers, police, you, and anyone else? Because they were bullied at some point? Fine, try to stop kids from being bullies. But once a person emerges as a killer, you have to stop them.
So try to be more realistic. Life will be easier.
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I am an idealist, I know.
I have no plans on changing either. :)
I have no plans on changing either. :)
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