RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST ( Archived) (134)

Jan 21, 2010 6:28 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion?
From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?
peace peace peace
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Jan 21, 2010 6:59 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion?
From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?


Self spirituality here greatly influenced by science and pieces from all religions and spiritualities.

You go first on your thoughts of a God, Gods, Creator, Source or no God, Gods, Creator, and Source?
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Jan 21, 2010 7:00 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion?
From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?


Oh yeah, I can really only believe in myself. And I do believe in humanity, as crazy as it may sound....
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Jan 21, 2010 7:30 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
Self spirituality here greatly influenced by science and pieces from all religions and spiritualities.

You go first on your thoughts of a God, Gods, Creator, Source or no God, Gods, Creator, and Source?

fountain or source?


dunno
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Jan 21, 2010 7:36 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
ninamil:

fountain or source?


Do you mean God ninami? You believe, yes?
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Jan 21, 2010 7:46 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
StressFree: Do you mean God ninami? You believe, yes?


fountain or sourse- From where come your believes or knowledge?
I have some limitation on English language.
Yes, I believe and have some knowledge...
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Jan 21, 2010 7:56 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
ninamil: fountain or sourse- From where come your believes or knowledge?
I have some limitation on English language.
Yes, I believe and have some knowledge...


It's an alternate label for God to many---the Source.

My foundation of belief comes from science, indigenous and various spiritualities, various aspects of religion, and my own perceptions. I pick and choose from each that fits in with my belief system and how I see myself, the world, the cosmos, and my reality. I'm not religious, but I am self-spiritual.
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Jan 21, 2010 8:11 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
StressFree: It's an alternate label for God to many---the Source.

My foundation of belief comes from science, indigenous and various spiritualities, various aspects of religion, and my own perceptions. I pick and choose from each that fits in with my belief system and how I see myself, the world, the cosmos, and my reality. I'm not religious, but I am self-spiritual.


So, you have your sourse and faith, is it? you are`t religious, has not an oficial church. I was bornt catholic but I don`t go very much on churhes because I belive that we are the God`s cathedral...
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Jan 21, 2010 8:26 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
ninamil: So, you have your sourse and faith, is it? you are`t religious, has not an oficial church. I was bornt catholic but I don`t go very much on churhes because I belive that we are the God`s cathedral...


Well ninamil, faith resides within me. I'm in between atheist and agnostic and I am part of no church and I don't adhere to any specific spirituality. Like you in a sense, I do believe that we are all part of the whole but I have a different view of what God is and isn't compared with the Christian God. However, I do respect and honor your belief. Your belief is of no concern of mine unless it brings disharmony into my existence.
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Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
I said that I belive but I haven`t much knowledge because I only know a litlle bit of the bible ( my source) but I don`t know very much about Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism...( another sourses) and agnostics and atheists have their own believes too.
dunno
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Jan 21, 2010 9:02 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
crotalus667
crotalus667crotalus667Dublin, Ireland14 Threads 2 Polls 564 Posts
ninamil: I said that I belive but I haven`t much knowledge because I only know a litlle bit of the bible ( my source)
Read it cover to cover we need more atheists , ( I find it very strange you say you believe but you only know a little of the bible , you truly believe learning it should be the most important ting in your life)


ninamil: and atheists have their own believes too.
Atheists do not have a belief system it is merely a name given to people that do not believe in a theist
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Jan 21, 2010 9:14 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
itsallme112
itsallme112itsallme112Surrey, British Columbia Canada78 Threads 11 Polls 441 Posts
Faith is having a belief in yourself knowing that you have the confidence and strength to deal with obstacles that pop up now and then in your life. I think the ancient Jews had it right about God. They believed that God is a force beyond human comprehension and it would be considered evil to use symbols or letters. Even to utter the pronunciation of letters would denigrate the spirit of thought (labels are a barrier to communication and real understanding). However, the feeling of an existing force of love and compassion for all living things commingled with the awesomeness of the heavens and creation of nature on earth may well be a representation of something we call God.bouquet
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Jan 21, 2010 9:14 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
usually have learned to hole in this type of thread as it starts argueing and is hijacked for a few people to go back and forth for 6 pages. Someone innocent wanders in with a comment and getprofessor for having an opinion. However so far tonight only 2 sharing and Stressfree who it is good to see again is handling his opinion in a mature and civil manner applause . Nice world if all could agree to disagree while shoing the other respect.
Anyway, my beifs is a Christian-Judao one if titles are needed. I am not religious,do mot currently belong to any denomination. However do my best to follow as Jesus would like me too. Very deep belief in prayer as I have seen it work when there was no other answer. Have known of a few big and small miracles through prayer requests and have had 2 miriacles myself. I read the Bible and believe it is up to each person or religion to translate what they feel is being put forth to the reader. I love Jesus very much. However I don't judge others for their beliefs or lack off.
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Jan 21, 2010 9:32 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
Happiness67
Happiness67Happiness67Sydney, New South Wales Australia1 Threads 127 Posts
ninamil: I said that I belive but I haven`t much knowledge because I only know a litlle bit of the bible ( my source) but I don`t know very much about Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism...( another sourses) and agnostics and atheists have their own believes too.
I have chosen to be non-religious after many years of self-study of different religions, their origins, similarities, differences (surprisingly few), incitement to hatred, war, intolerance, torture and cruelty. Religion has been used to justify so many evils throughout history from persecution through to genocide and today's hot topic, child molestation. Apart from the evils committed by the humans I find it incomprehensible that any deity would allow these to be committed in his/her name.

If you profess to believe in something the least you can do is read the official text of your religion - and that would be the Bible. The whole thing - not just the New Testament.
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Jan 21, 2010 9:49 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
DEC19063: Each person has a soul so learn to see that and not their shell, because life here on earth is but a dream of our true spiritual world from whence we came and to where we will return.


Are you heavily influenced by Hinduism?


itsallme112: I think the ancient Jews had it right about God. They believed that God is a force beyond human comprehension


Yeah, the same thing is said in Christianity and Islam. The same, but using different labels, is said in various spiritualities. Interesting and a common thread among the theists and agnostics.

An interesting movement that has developed in the last 20 years, are movements of new spiritualities/religions that that believe in higher entities such as ET's helping humans discover new truths about existence, reality, the past and history of the universe and of our ancestors. Their version of God is an infinite consciousness that we are all a part of. I've been observing this and it appears to be a growing trend---but still small in numbers compared with the 5 main world religions on our planet.
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Jan 21, 2010 9:53 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
K_rational
K_rationalK_rationalTaipei, Taiwan10 Threads 257 Posts
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion?
From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?


Yours is a false (or even misleading) statement. Atheists and atheism don't make claims, and don't make distortions about evidence; clarity and finding certainty through examination are the whole point.

You disparage and dislike uncertainty? The smartest thing a person can say when they don't know is, "I don't know". When one admits uncertainty, it's difficult to be arrogant.

By the by, the scientific method is based upon uncertainty: "We don't know, so let's test". That computer you're using wouldn't exist without it, nor would the medical care that keeps you alive nor a myriad of other things. For you to be using a computer while being against uncertainty is contradictory, to put it politely.

As for faith, all religion is based upon it and wouldn't have legs without it. Not one person can verifiably show they've had first hand experience of something inexplicable by rational means. Nobody can factually claim a John Denver "oh god!" moment. They can believe it all they like and have every right to, they just can't prove it nor claim to have proof.
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Jan 21, 2010 10:12 PM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
DEC19063
DEC19063DEC19063harrisburg, Pennsylvania USA16 Threads 131 Posts
StressFree: Are you heavily influenced by Hinduism?


Actually i am not into any religion. I have read the bible and have lived with some religous communities. I haven't even heard of any of the things you mentioned. I just basically got these understandings from my experiences. I don't dwell on the superficial to a point where most people couldn't go or choose not to go to. Myself i choose to go to this mindset for the experience. When i start getting superficial in anyway i quickly let it go. This has narrowed most potential soulmates interest in me which is ok. I am here to experience and learn and keep my mind open to all possibilities spiritually speaking. I love helping the elderly because they are so close to the next world. Ironically the ones i have helped were very superficial or have become so in their old age. I like working hard and staying in shape and that may be due to my guardian angels wanting me to stay connected to them to the point where i pass from this world to the next.

The words i say are meant for me and if what i say speaks to another then that isn't from me i am only the vehicle for that message which passes through me to those who feel what i say speaks to them. But i am the one who needs to listen to my own words. However, many times i get answers from others as they are the vehicle with a message for me from the spirits above.

My way to connect to people mostly is through my helping which i love to do. Lots of my helping isn't just about people but its about mother earth. Although i do believe that she won't be around forever like our spirits will be.
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Jan 22, 2010 2:11 AM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
EliteOne
EliteOneEliteOneBrisbane, Queensland Australia38 Threads 1,590 Posts
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion? From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?


Talking about destruction- there is nothing more self destructive then religions. Look at the history of IRA or Taliban, Muslims and Christians…Pfffffft its about time we moved on.



wave
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Jan 22, 2010 3:08 AM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
If you profess to believe in something the least you can do is read the official text of your religion - and that would be the Bible. The whole thing - not just the New Testament.

You right, but I´ve had reading LÉangele Selon Le Spiritism and some books of psychiatry(anothers sources)...

again beliefs and not believesdunno
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Jan 22, 2010 3:14 AM CST RELIGIOUS, AGNOSTIC AND ATHEIST
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion?
From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist?
could you share your knowledge and beliefs?

I`m not sure if Im getting this right
but the essence of your question is actually faith
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