Iuchi_Zien: I would LOVE to hear your justification for this, or any evidence for this! Are you saying that genetics decides your religion? What an absolute pile of manure! Religious faith is nothing to do with your genetics it is a product of your environment, background and personal choices.
'People are born into their faith' the only thing decided by/before birth is your genetic make-up. Unless you are suggesting if you are born by caesarian section you will become Hindu?
Iuchi_Zien: I would LOVE to hear your justification for this, or any evidence for this! Are you saying that genetics decides your religion? What an absolute pile of manure! Religious faith is nothing to do with your genetics it is a product of your environment, background and personal choices.
I think he was referring to faith ... not religion
Iuchi_Zien: 'People are born into their faith' the only thing decided by/before birth is your genetic make-up. Unless you are suggesting if you are born by caesarian section you will become Hindu?
If your parents are Hindu you most definitely will be rased as a Hindu, same for every other religion on this planet….you are born into your faith.
Boban1: I think he was referring to faith ... not religion
So because both my parents are Church of England protestants, I am as well? No, I'm agnostic, a choice I made based on personal experience not on the religious beliefs of my parents.
EliteOne: If your parents are Hindu you most definitely will be rased as a Hindu, same for every other religion on this planet….you are born into your faith.
do you have a different explanation?
ah.. see my friend... by that definition .. all of us would still be pagans ...
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Happiness67: I have chosen to be non-religious after many years of self-study of different religions, their origins, similarities, differences (surprisingly few), incitement to hatred, war, intolerance, torture and cruelty. Religion has been used to justify so many evils throughout history from persecution through to genocide and today's hot topic, child molestation. Apart from the evils committed by the humans I find it incomprehensible that any deity would allow these to be committed in his/her name.
If you profess to believe in something the least you can do is read the official text of your religion - and that would be the Bible. The whole thing - not just the New Testament.
Iuchi_Zien: So because both my parents are Church of England protestants, I am as well? No, I'm agnostic, a choice I made based on personal experience not on the religious beliefs of my parents.
The sheer numbers percentage wise dictate what EliteOne said is true. There are a lot of exceptions, but that is the reality---if you are born into a devout Christian or Muslim home, the chances of you being raised as a devout Christian or Muslim are really good and that you will be raised as one. However, that does not assume that you will always be a Christian or Muslim when you are older and have a mind for yourself.
StressFree: The sheer numbers percentage wise dictate what EliteOne said is true. There are a lot of exceptions, but that is the reality---if you are born into a devout Christian or Muslim home, the chances of you being raised as a devout Christian or Muslim are really good and that you will be raised as one. However, that does not assume that you will always be a Christian or Muslim when you are older and have a mind for yourself.
And just because you choose to call yourself whatever does not mean you are not living under those morals installed by your faith. Its pretty hard to stop breathing air in that majority of your countries faith are breathing out.
ninamil: Which religious can defend his thought without using the element of faith? What atheist or agnostic can defend their ideas without uncertainty and distortion? From what philosophical, religious or scientific fountain you drank (no alcoholic drinks ) to defend the thesis that God exists or that God does not exist? could you share your knowledge and beliefs?
The mystery of believing is to do so without the proof. Sorry, but it is not possible to define what you want to hear from others without adding in the element of "faith", because to believe intuitively, that is without the concrete proof that non-believers so strongly demand, is to, in fact, believe because of faith, not the lack thereof. The story of "Doubting Thomas" illustrates this part of the Christian belief. Just info, folks. Not wanting to get into an argument!
The way we live and think everything is dedicated to material pleasure. We consider sense objects to be of utmost importance and materialistically devote ourselves to whatever makes us happy, famous and popular. Even though all this comes from our mind, we are so totally preoccupied by the external objects themselves that we never look within, we never question what makes them so interesting. However, this mind is an inseparable part of us; as long as we exist our mind is there within us. Thus we are always up and down. It is not our body that goes up and down, it is our mind—the mind whose way of functioning we do not understand. Therefore, sometimes you have to examine yourself; not just your body but your mind, which is the thing that is telling you what to do. You have to know your own psychology, or, in religious terminology, perhaps, your inner nature. But no matter what you call it, you have to know your own mind. Don't think that examining and knowing the nature of your mind is only an Eastern trip. That's a wrong conception; it's not an Eastern trip, it's your trip. How can you separate your body, or the picture you have of your self, from your mind? You can't say, "I have the material power to separate my body from my mind." That's impossible. You think you are a free person in the world, enjoying everything. That's what you think, but you are not free. I'm not saying that you are under the control of someone else; it's your own attachment, your own uncontrolled mind that you are oppressed by. If you can discover how it oppresses you, the uncontrolled mind will disappear automatically. Thus knowing your own mind is the solution for your mental problems. One day the world is so beautiful; the next day it is so bad. How can you say that! Scientifically it's impossible for the world to change radically like that. It's simply your mind that makes this happen. Don't think that this is religious dogma; our going up and down is not religious dogma. I'm not talking about religion; I'm talking about the way you lead your life, which is what sends you up down. The people and the environment don't change radically; the changes are in your own mind. Surely you can understand that—it's so simple. Similarly, one person thinks that the world is beautiful and people are wonderful and kind, but another thinks that everything and everyone are horrible. Who is right? How do you explain that scientifically? It's just their individual mind's projection of the sense world. Hence you feel, "Today is like this, tomorrow is like that; this man is like this; that woman is like that." But where is the absolutely fixed, forever-beautiful woman? Who is the absolutely forever-handsome man? They are non-existent; they are simply creations of your mind. Also, you should not expect material objects to satisfy you and make your life perfect; that too is impossible. How can you be satisfied by even vast amounts of material objects? How can you be satisfied by sleeping with hundreds of different people? It's impossible. Satisfaction comes from the mind. Your dissatisfied mind wanting to keep changing from one person to another, from one trip to another, can never satisfy you. This is just your mind.
The way we live and think everything is dedicated to material pleasure.
You should write a book if you haven't already. There are so many, many things we do not consider. Are you familiar with the genius savant? (an individual who is perfect in one art or another, many times it is music. Sadly, they are often severely mentally challenged in most other areas. No one seems able to figure this one out. For example, a woman who can play the piano like Liberace. But she had absolutely zero exposure to music of any kind. Now, what do you make of THAT? Fascinating, yes? )
EliteOne: I think that statement is wrong on so many levels. People are born into their faith, therefore they are what ever they are by birth. Also I would like to point out religion is not just about god, it’s a philosophy by which you live by. Not all that different to political parties.
Too many people simply blindly follow the beliefs of their parents. Which is why all the major religions, despite being philosophies and attempted explanations of the world, have not been able to evolve and progress as we have learned more and more about the world. In many ways the big 3 have taken a step backwards as some look at the first testament as a book of parables and stories, and now thousands of years later with all the advances of science and our understanding of the universe a staggering number of Americans believe in the literal translation of the bible. People need to exame their religions and make decisions for themselves. Too many are born into christian families or muslim families etc, and without thinking for themselves support the entire doctrine and beliefs of the religious organization. Pro-Life, against gay marriage, against stem cell research. People need to make these judgements on their own, based on all sources of knowledge and personal morality and not just a few obscure passages picked out of a really old book. Especially if you haven't read that book and don't understand where it comes from.
One thing i think is if we do believe in a God then we also believe that we should be kind and talk with love for one another. If you don't believe in a God you can still talk nice with love for one another.
What i did learn about God is, God is love and we want to make a resting place for that love/God to reside within us. So if you don't believe and you have love within you, those of us who do believe, can see that love/God in you
rohaan: The way we live and think everything is dedicated to material pleasure.
You should write a book if you haven't already. There are so many, many things we do not consider. Are you familiar with the genius savant? (an individual who is perfect in one art or another, many times it is music. Sadly, they are often severely mentally challenged in most other areas. No one seems able to figure this one out. For example, a woman who can play the piano like Liberace. But she had absolutely zero exposure to music of any kind. Now, what do you make of THAT? Fascinating, yes? )
na i've copied that into here because i think its useful information, I can copy the rest if you like, its not just dogma it comes from:- By Lama Thubten Yeshe at Melbourne , Australia (Archive # 329 003, Last Updated Apr 3, 2009) Lama Thubten Yeshe gave this teaching at Assembly Hall, Melbourne, Australia in April 1975. Edited by Nicholas Ribush. Read more talks from this teaching tour in the book Becoming Your Own Therapist.
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Hmm genetics what the hell are you talking about?