Burqanisation (244)
openchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 PostsNice to see some voices of reason in here as well.
------ This thread is Archived ------
There is a saying that springs instantly to mind, if you can't stand the heat.....
------ This thread is Archived ------
Iuchi_Zien: There is a saying that springs instantly to mind, if you can't stand the heat.....
Get cooking?
------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: Radical Islam has got much worse since you were there Gra - I was reading something yesterday;
This is exactly the point I was making. Well put!
------ This thread is Archived ------
openchick: Nice to see some voices of reason in here as well.
So where abouts in Afghanistan were you a medic?????????????
What was your insignia and who was your chief surgeon in command??????????, what rank are/were you??????????
Thanks for your honesty???????????
------ This thread is Archived ------
Iuchi_Zien: Look at this thread and view for yourself the perceived harm it does. Something like 80% of communication is non-verbal, I wonder how easy you find it to hold a conversation with a stranger on a telephone, because that's what it's like talking to somebody in a Birka, you can't see their face or, frequently, their eyes add this to the security implications of somebody, you don't know if they are male or female, wearing a Birka into any security sensitive building, or the possibility of the Birka being used for gender oppression?
I'm not disputing the evident 'bad' side. I'm saying there are good sides and that wiping out the entire 'culture' and or 'religion', isn't the answer.
I also understand the 'fear' mechanism that kicks in under the conditions you propose, from a westerner point of view. This burqa isn't a new item in their culture, its customary and as such that 'fear' mechanism is driven by your own sense of things, not by the reality of those wearing it and living it. (yes some want out, I get that)
I also understand that are those who will use it to do harm, just as there are those who who wear fatigues to do harm. This doesn't mean that we ought to be outlawing fatigues because of a some a**hole.
Its akin to censorship and if censorship is driven into this subject, then we are really only being the same 'controlling' freaks that we think the bad guys are.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Iuchi_Zien: I'm afraid I would question you there, how many opportunities did you have to speak to women ALONE without a member of their family or husband present? I work with refugees AND people who have poor English skills, including women of Pakistani, Islamic origin and frequently have to visit them in their own homes, with husband hovering in the background to teach English. On one occasion the husband had his little girl (about 8) who spoke English translating what I was saying in the background. The ONLY reason they will even allow their wives to learn English is that it is a requirement now for UK citizenship and hiring an Islamic English tutor is too expensive. I admit I have never been to Pakistan to see in person but if the way the Pakistani/Islamic community in the UK works is anything to go by ....
No opportunity whatsoever, it just doesnt happen. That was
in the tribal areas where I spent most of my time.
However, during long conversations with the men, it surprised me how much they assumed that we in the west treat our women badly and
with disrespect.
------ This thread is Archived ------
bohdiprana: What does he say is the harm? Is it people's reactions to those wearing it, or is it wearing it that is harmful? Two totally different angles.
Yes, could quite easily walk into a lamp post.
------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing: Yes, could quite easily walk into a lamp post.
Do they have lamp posts there?
I thought they were still using candle light. 
------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing: No opportunity whatsoever, it just doesnt happen. That was
in the tribal areas where I spent most of my time.
However, during long conversations with the men, it surprised me how much they assumed that we in the west treat our women badly and
with disrespect.
in the tribal areas where I spent most of my time.
However, during long conversations with the men, it surprised me how much they assumed that we in the west treat our women badly and
with disrespect.
Sure that isn't the we treat our women badly and with disrespect so we assume you do the same? I have conversations with Pakistani/Afghani men who are amazed that women are ALLOWED to do or say what they want, the number of times I've heard the comment "At home we would never allow...." does lead me to suspect that things are nowhere near as bright and cheerful for women in, particularly, the Islamic hinterlands as some would have us believe.
------ This thread is Archived ------
openchick: Nice to see some voices of reason in here as well.
The final question, is the burqa a religeous requirement or is it a coustom
, heres a clue, its not a 'fundermental' requirement.Bye, gotta dash, pleasure talking to you openfordebatechick
------ This thread is Archived ------
sideshowbob: The final question, is the burqa a religeous requirement or is it a coustom , heres a clue, its not a 'fundermental' requirement.
Bye, gotta dash, pleasure talking to you openfordebatechick
Bye, gotta dash, pleasure talking to you openfordebatechick
heres an answer
------ This thread is Archived ------
sideshowbob: The final question, is the burqa a religeous requirement or is it a coustom , heres a clue, its not a 'fundermental' requirement.
Bye, gotta dash, pleasure talking to you openfordebatechick
A Custom usurped by Religion.Bye, gotta dash, pleasure talking to you openfordebatechick
Used to be a Garment in the Desert to ward of the flying Sand.
Was worn by both Genders,then finally became what it is today!
------ This thread is Archived ------
bohdiprana: I'm not disputing the evident 'bad' side. I'm saying there are good sides and that wiping out the entire 'culture' and or 'religion', isn't the answer.
I also understand the 'fear' mechanism that kicks in under the conditions you propose, from a westerner point of view. This burqa isn't a new item in their culture, its customary and as such that 'fear' mechanism is driven by your own sense of things, not by the reality of those wearing it and living it. (yes some want out, I get that)
I also understand that are those who will use it to do harm, just as there are those who who wear fatigues to do harm. This doesn't mean that we ought to be outlawing fatigues because of a some a**hole.
Its akin to censorship and if censorship is driven into this subject, then we are really only being the same 'controlling' freaks that we think the bad guys are.
I also understand the 'fear' mechanism that kicks in under the conditions you propose, from a westerner point of view. This burqa isn't a new item in their culture, its customary and as such that 'fear' mechanism is driven by your own sense of things, not by the reality of those wearing it and living it. (yes some want out, I get that)
I also understand that are those who will use it to do harm, just as there are those who who wear fatigues to do harm. This doesn't mean that we ought to be outlawing fatigues because of a some a**hole.
Its akin to censorship and if censorship is driven into this subject, then we are really only being the same 'controlling' freaks that we think the bad guys are.
The problem is we are both on the same side here, France had every reason to ban the Burka for the same reason it bans all forms of religious paraphinalia in official buildings. France is secular to the point of secularity being a religion. For France NOT to ban the Burka would be seen by some religions as favouritism. England, and the rest of Europe, does not have that excuse. I see the arguments for security, and it is a powerful argument, and the argument for the use of the Burka as a form of gender oppression. As an example how is a police officer supposed to gain accurate identification on somebody wearing a Burka? At the moment the only thing he is allowed to do is arrest that person and take them back to the police station as the law does not allow him to remove face coverings without the wearers permission.
------ This thread is Archived ------
and another
------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: Radical Islam has got much worse since you were there Gra - I was reading something yesterday;
That article saddens me greatly Trish.
I know that Swat and the Chitral areas are now closed
to Westerners, although my friend Tim still takes groups
out to other areas in Northern Pakistan.
------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing: That article saddens me greatly Trish.
I know that Swat and the Chitral areas are now closed
to Westerners, although my friend Tim still takes groups
out to other areas in Northern Pakistan.
I know that Swat and the Chitral areas are now closed
to Westerners, although my friend Tim still takes groups
out to other areas in Northern Pakistan.
Then dont look at some of these;
------ This thread is Archived ------
This lot are just as screwed up as any other religion and are long overdue a reformation.
------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: This lot are just as screwed up as any other religion and are long overdue a reformation.
------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: Hiya Hun
Hi Trish, love your new picture...I can't believe how much you look like my cousin!
------ This thread is Archived ------
This Thread is Archived
This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
« Go back to All Threads
« Go back to All Threads
More Threads
Reality Check
everything is changing
Heavy Bass In The PM
The world is as you see
1830's Music
Icebergs Still Around
What I Lack In Vocabulary
How far is too far?
Nature
Salami, Salami, Baloney
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).