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Feb 4, 2010 1:07 PM CST Burqanisation
tainogirl
tainogirltainogirlTrincity,West Indies,, Trinidad and Tobago215 Threads 2 Polls 3,777 Posts
sindhiboy: This a the latest fashion in pakistan and u can see this in every city/town in pakistan


So you mean to say that women in Pakistan are running around in skimpy bikinis and gyrating to Soca?wow wow Even the grannies?wow wow So does the latest fashion they are wearing over there look any thing like this?
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Feb 4, 2010 1:09 PM CST Burqanisation
sindhiboy
sindhiboysindhiboyBeautiful area of rural sindh, Sindh Pakistan49 Threads 4 Polls 889 Posts
tainogirl: So you mean to say that women in Pakistan are running around in skimpy bikinis and gyrating to Soca? Even the grannies? So does the latest fashion they are wearing over there look any thing like this?
Listen tain ,every one have thier own choice so they have the clothes of thier choice not necessary to wear the shalwar kameez or bikiniwine
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Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM CST Burqanisation
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
openchick: Flippant (and funny) answers aside, if YOU went into a store in a ski mask, you would not be recieved well.

If you went to pick up your children in a mask, you would be asked to show yourself for ID's sake

If YOU went into a bank with a mask on, you would likely be speaking to the police shortly after.

This is ALL aside from the obvious human rights issues.


A burqa is not a ski mask. We're talking about cultural outer wear. Are we going to stop people from wearing cowboy hats in case they start running around branding everyone's cows.

You're trying to equate burqa with criminal, and that is just not the case. cartwheel
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Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
openchick: Flippant (and funny) answers aside, if YOU went into a store in a ski mask, you would not be recieved well.

If you went to pick up your children in a mask, you would be asked to show yourself for ID's sake

If YOU went into a bank with a mask on, you would likely be speaking to the police shortly after.

This is ALL aside from the obvious human rights issues.


What human rights issues?


dunno
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Feb 4, 2010 1:15 PM CST Burqanisation
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
KARACHI: Farah, a 29-year-old who manages a courier service on Karachi’s Korangi Road, keeps herself covered in a white chador while driving through the city these days. ‘I’m not taking any chances if the Taliban are here,’ she says, covering up her usual attire of jeans and a short top.

In recent weeks, women in Karachi have become increasingly wary of the threat posed by militants from the northern areas who have allegedly infiltrated the port city. Reports that Taliban commanders have relocated to Karachi for fear of drone attacks in Quetta have coincided with a spate of incidents of female harassment. Although panic levels are high, women who have been targeted are reluctant to go public with their experiences. As a result, the city is rife with rumours, and people like Farah are living in fear, but no official action to investigate who is threatening women is being taken.

State of fear

In the past few weeks, upper- and middle-class women have been approached by men, bearded and otherwise, and warned not to leave the house without covering themselves from head to toe. In some cases, the harassers have been armed. In others, they have threatened women with physical attacks in the future if they do not change their ways. Another form of harassment entails the families of young women receiving letters on behalf of the Taliban. In the letters, fathers are told that they must reign in their daughters who are accused of roaming freely and wearing western outfits. Some businessmen have even been asked to make ‘donations’ to the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan in order to secure their daughters’ safety.

Despite the widespread panic that news of these threats has provoked, few women are willing to go on the record or register an official complaint. As a result, the extent of the threat posed to Karachi’s young women remains unclear.

For example, a fashion designer who initially claimed in public that her clients had received letters critiquing their mode of dress and ‘warning them to cover up, or else,’ refused to confirm details when speaking to the press. Similarly, a woman who was reportedly told by her fruit seller not to return to his stall if she wasn’t ‘properly attired’ refused to discuss the incident with this correspondent.

This is not to say that women have not been targeted at all. Noor, a 19-year-old

university student who asked that her last name be withheld for security reasons, confirms that she received a threat. ‘My friends and I were in a shop on Zamzama Boulevard when a bearded man entered. He told us to have sharam and only leave the house when covered from head to toe,’ she says.

Similarly, Wilma, an employee at a five-star hotel in the centre of the city, says she was shopping with some friends on Tariq Road when a man approached one of them and threatened to throw acid at her if she didn’t dress properly in the future. ‘Girls wearing capri pants are especially being targeted,’ she says.

Moreover, women’s rights activist Attiya Dawood says that she was walking with her daughters in Hilal Park, a walled-off park in Defence, when some young men began throwing eggs at them and yelling at women to go home and stay away from the park. ‘I can’t confirm who those men were,’ says Dawood, ‘but my brain went straight to the reports that Taliban militants or their sympathisers are trying to scare women out of public spaces.’

Unmasking the threat

Dawood is correct to admit that her thoughts went straight to the Taliban even though she cannot identify the men who threw eggs at her. The fact is, no clear proof is available to indicate who may be victimising Karachi’s women.

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Feb 4, 2010 1:21 PM CST Burqanisation
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
bodleing: What human rights issues?



The right to be prejudiced. confused dunno
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Feb 4, 2010 1:26 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
bohdiprana: The right to be prejudiced.


Well obviously many people exercise that right.


conversing
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Feb 4, 2010 2:21 PM CST Burqanisation
bohdiprana
bohdipranabohdipranaLondon, Ontario Canada32 Threads 1,493 Posts
bodleing: Well obviously many people exercise that right.


Not in a bank though. laugh
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Feb 4, 2010 2:47 PM CST Burqanisation
openchick
openchickopenchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 Posts
bodleing: What human rights issues?


What human rights issues???

It has nothing to do with predjudice.

It has everything to do with the subjigation of women in that religion. They can beat them, rapists get off scot free while the girls get whipped and honour killed, and they have to cover themselves up just so that men don't get "tempted" and so that their belongings dont' get coveted by other men.

THey are NOT ALLOWED to be seen without it by other men.

How is that an acceptable level of control???
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Feb 4, 2010 2:53 PM CST Burqanisation
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
openchick: Nice post. No one is listening though, because they are too busy being "tolerant" to hear the cries of the women dying because of the oppression that the bhurka represents.



I know... Won't stop me though... grin




wine
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Feb 4, 2010 2:55 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
openchick: What human rights issues???

It has nothing to do with predjudice.

It has everything to do with the subjigation of women in that religion. They can beat them, rapists get off scot free while the girls get whipped and honour killed, and they have to cover themselves up just so that men don't get "tempted" and so that their belongings dont' get coveted by other men.

THey are NOT ALLOWED to be seen without it by other men.

How is that an acceptable level of control???


You are making generalisations.

Many women chose for themselves to be dressed this way.
Anyway, how would banning the burka in France change
any of this.

dunno
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Feb 4, 2010 3:00 PM CST Burqanisation
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
bodleing: You are making generalisations.

Many women chose for themselves to be dressed this way.
Anyway, how would banning the burka in France change
any of this.



But do they actually have a choice???


What "re-percussions" would it have, if they were to say no??


Same with marriage, I know it's said that they can reject a man, but can they really???


confused
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Feb 4, 2010 3:07 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Olsojente: But do they actually have a choice???What "re-percussions" would it have, if they were to say no??Same with marriage, I know it's said that they can reject a man, but can they really???


Many do and many choose to wear them.
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Feb 4, 2010 3:09 PM CST Burqanisation
openchick
openchickopenchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 Posts
bodleing: I'm all in favour of laws prohibiting forcing someone to
wear a burka and in restricting access to certain areas
if wearing one. I do feel uneasy though with the idea of
an outright ban and I do believe it's an infringement of
human rights.


I would agree with you, butif you just ban it in certain places, then MOST of the women wearing them will not be allowed to go to those places.

They are not allowed by their men to dress any differently.
They are not allowed to be seen by any other men.

This piece of clothing is a sign and a source of oppression, and should be made an example of.

If govts can speak out, like what Canada has done (it was actually the islamic council of canada who did the speaking, calling it immoral and oppressive.) then maybe other govts will grow a pair and speak out too.

Women are DYING! It is time to put a stop to this oppression and speak out about the religion that endorses it.
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Feb 4, 2010 3:11 PM CST Burqanisation
openchick
openchickopenchickPetawawa, Ontario Canada102 Posts
bodleing: Many do and many choose to wear them.


I can choose to wear handcuffs too, but that doesn't mean that it still isn't controlling.

I would also say that their religion is a MAJOR factor in choosing it. They are wearing it because they are indoctrinated into a religion that tells that that they are subservient to men, and that MORAL women wear it. They are told that they should hide themselves to men.

We should HIDE ourselves to NO ONE.

The small minority that choose it, should NOT be an excuse for the oppression that it stands for.
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Feb 4, 2010 3:12 PM CST Burqanisation
Olsojente
OlsojenteOlsojenteOslo/Zadar, Oslo Norway51 Threads 5 Polls 5,070 Posts
openchick: I would agree with you, butif you just ban it in certain places, then MOST of the women wearing them will not be allowed to go to those places.

They are not allowed by their men to dress any differently.
They are not allowed to be seen by any other men.

This piece of clothing is a sign and a source of oppression, and should be made an example of.

If govts can speak out, like what Canada has done (it was actually the islamic council of canada who did the speaking, calling it immoral and oppressive.) then maybe other govts will grow a pair and speak out too.

Women are DYING! It is time to put a stop to this oppression and speak out about the religion that endorses it.




thumbs up Good post!!!
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Feb 4, 2010 3:14 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
openchick: I would agree with you, butif you just ban it in certain places, then MOST of the women wearing them will not be allowed to go to those places.

They are not allowed by their men to dress any differently.
They are not allowed to be seen by any other men.

This piece of clothing is a sign and a source of oppression, and should be made an example of.

If govts can speak out, like what Canada has done (it was actually the islamic council of canada who did the speaking, calling it immoral and oppressive.) then maybe other govts will grow a pair and speak out too.

Women are DYING! It is time to put a stop to this oppression and speak out about the religion that endorses it.


So if you have an outright ban, from what you're saying they
wont be able to go anywhere.

What would you say to the women who choose to dress this way?
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Feb 4, 2010 3:42 PM CST Burqanisation
Steve5721
Steve5721Steve5721La Zenia, Murcia Spain72 Threads 2 Polls 4,564 Posts
bodleing:

What would you say to the women who choose to dress this way?


Move to another country?

The ban France is discussing is actually only in certain public places and government establishments...not a total ban.

Lest we all forget, when we visit another country or live in that country, especially muslim ones, they have rules and regulations which include dresswear..Saudi Arabia for example.
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Feb 4, 2010 4:11 PM CST Burqanisation
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Steve5721: Move to another country?

The ban France is discussing is actually only in certain public places and government establishments...not a total ban.

Lest we all forget, when we visit another country or live in that country, especially muslim ones, they have rules and regulations which include dresswear..Saudi Arabia for example.


As I have stated, I'm all in favour of banning this form of
dress in certain areas and if that is the French proposal
all well and good. I find the wearing of the burka or the
niqab which is more common in uk cities and towns abhorrent.
I also think what it stands for to be equally distasteful.
But I also find the suggestion of banning a certain type of
clothing because it is against society equally abhorrent.
Its seems to me a slippery slope down which I would not want
us to go.
Far easier for banks to say you cant come in here with your
face covered, courts to say if you come before us we must see
your face, airports to do the same, shops could follow suit.
I mean Tesco have just banned people from entering one of
their stores if they are wearing pj's.
As for the subjugation of women, that is an issue that goes
far deeper and I dont think banning the burka is the way to
confront such an issue.
Also in other countries as you mention, it's not what you wear
but what you 'dont' wear.
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Feb 4, 2010 6:39 PM CST Burqanisation
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
Odysseus101: I dunno. Don't ask me. Stop being annoying.
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